Fire in upper NW?

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Anonymous wrote:The reporter's twitter says that NG talked to assistant who dropped off the cash AFTER the crime.

Sounds like she is just passing info along and adding that cash deliveries are common.

If the assistant didn't tell her that, it would be very easy to verify.

So if this is the assistant's story, then it contradicts the person on the internet claiming to be a neice. She has 900 followers. Would someone lie about something like that? I don't know.

Thar niece is a fraud.

How would she know about the 40K a day before the media announces it?..come on

Exactly. Here's the comment:

BSTONE012189 2 days ago
That thin was a bag with $40,000.00 in it, after my uncle was instructed to call AIW, inc. Saying he needed the money for a piece of art.

This!! She's either the niece or a psychic..either way..I believe her

would a niece spell her uncle's name wrong? Maybe.

Why not. My uncle spells my mom's name wrong and they've been in-laws for 40 years. He's just a terrible speller.

What I find ridiculous is being on social media at all after a tragedy like this but I guess that's the difference between an old person like me (34) and these young'uns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stabbing and torturing a child and setting them on fire? Eastern European old world sadism. No latino or black person would do this to a child. Flame away, but there is no scenario where this would happen.

I agree.

Wow. Two entire races/ethnicities of suspects eliminated. Just like that. Tell the police.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stabbing and torturing a child and setting them on fire? Eastern European old world sadism. No latino or black person would do this to a child. Flame away, but there is no scenario where this would happen.

I agree.

Disagree.

Horrific crimes have been perpetrated against children in all parts of the world, by sadistic criminals. Do not make this a race thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stabbing and torturing a child and setting them on fire? Eastern European old world sadism. No latino or black person would do this to a child. Flame away, but there is no scenario where this would happen.

I agree.

+1

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I am sure that as we are talking here the assistant/housekeeper/family are chatting just as much. Once the police asked "do you know anything about the bag with 40k in it?" After that person calls someone asking the same thing. Game of telephone.

[Anonymous]

From the beginning, I have believed in a home invasion theory where they were held to allow enough time to raise cash, then killed to eliminate witnesses and the fire was set to try to eliminate forensic evidence (what are there, like 10 different CSI iterations on TV)?

I will also remind people that a lot of the quickly written articles are poorly written or have mistakes/types in them (for example, one early article said Mrs. S. was 27 years old).

There are a couple of clear possibilities, I think:

1. (I think most likely) Someone new Mr. S. was in a business that deals with a lot of cash, possibly to pay for day laborers. That someone also knew that it was easy to get into the house (someone posted that they frequently left their doors unlocked during the day -- haven't seen that verified but it could be true. They staged a home invasion AFTER business hours (banks closed at 4 pm) and held the family overnight to give Mr. S. time to raise the money from his business. This would comport with the tweet from the possible niece saying her uncle was instructed to tell his company that the cash was for "art."

2. (Possible, based upon reports that suggest the $40,000 delivery may have been already "scheduled" before the home invasion.) Someone knew Mr. Savopoulos was having a cash delivery and set this all up to get that money. I am more skeptical of this, not only because of the tweets from the family member, but because it does seem there would be safer/quicker methods to intercept a delivery than holding a family overnight. The holding overnight seems the key to the idea that they were forced to raise money and it took some time.

3. Could have been semi-random -- target a wealthy home (as in the CT case) assuming that the family would have access to funds within a day. Once there, it would be easy enough for the criminals to leverage safe release (a lie, sadly) on full, complete cooperation to the level of having the S adults think of anyone who might come to their home and think of how to give excuses that would keep them away. If you were literally helpless and could be killed in 5 minutes, but were told you could be released in the morning if you cooperated, most people would try very hard indeed to keep the killers calm and pacified and hope for release.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did someone post that Nelly said "cash deliveries to the home were common."

Please, can someone confirm this and post a link, if possible.

https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%40fox5wagner&src=typd&lang=en

So Nelly knows cash deliveries were common. I wonder how many other people knew? Could AIW staff and Savapoulos household staff maybe "let information slip" that this was common practice for father to receive large cash sums?

Hmmm....did not know construction companies were paid in cash....

Construction companies and contractors are definitely paid in cash frequently. We had a big emergency plumbing situation on a holiday and a house full of people at a party with many scheduled to stay overnight. The guy who came out said his company would charge $X, but that he would do it for half of $X in cash and tell the company it was a much smaller job. We just had to buy the parts he needed ourselves since he couldn't take them off the truck.

I can absolutely imagine someone promising a contractor a cash bonus to finish up a job in time for a grand opening, for example.

This is meant to explain why cash deliveries were common, but I still think this particular cash delivery was a ransom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reporter's twitter says that NG talked to assistant who dropped off the cash AFTER the crime.

Sounds like she is just passing info along and adding that cash deliveries are common.

If the assistant didn't tell her that, it would be very easy to verify.

So if this is the assistant's story, then it contradicts the person on the internet claiming to be a neice. She has 900 followers. Would someone lie about something like that? I don't know.

Thar niece is a fraud.

How would she know about the 40K a day before the media announces it?..come on

Exactly. Here's the comment:

BSTONE012189 2 days ago
That thin was a bag with $40,000.00 in it, after my uncle was instructed to call AIW, inc. Saying he needed the money for a piece of art.

This!! She's either the niece or a psychic..either way..I believe her

If she is telling the truth that she got from her parents via the police, what does that mean about the assistant and NG?

I'm sure the police aren't telling us everything right now. The assistant probably told the police everything but maybe altered the story for Nelly since she is a blabber mouth

Maybe. But then NG added that cash drop offs were common. I do not believe that cash drop offs left at the front door for art purchases were common.

[Anonymous]

The police are aware of the niece.

[Anonymous]

Golly gee - I thought only DCUM was aware of the niece.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The police are aware of the niece.

Of course they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The police are aware of the niece.

and?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stabbing and torturing a child and setting them on fire? Eastern European old world sadism. No latino or black person would do this to a child. Flame away, but there is no scenario where this would happen.

I agree.

+1

Google disagrees with you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stabbing and torturing a child and setting them on fire? Eastern European old world sadism. No latino or black person would do this to a child. Flame away, but there is no scenario where this would happen.

I agree.

Except for the woman in NJ who recently did this to her own child. Can we stop with the blanket ethnic theories? They're ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the beginning, I have believed in a home invasion theory where they were held to allow enough time to raise cash, then killed to eliminate witnesses and the fire was set to try to eliminate forensic evidence (what are there, like 10 different CSI iterations on TV)?

I will also remind people that a lot of the quickly written articles are poorly written or have mistakes/types in them (for example, one early article said Mrs. S. was 27 years old).

There are a couple of clear possibilities, I think:

1. (I think most likely) Someone new Mr. S. was in a business that deals with a lot of cash, possibly to pay for day laborers. That someone also knew that it was easy to get into the house (someone posted that they frequently left their doors unlocked during the day -- haven't seen that verified but it could be true. They staged a home invasion AFTER business hours (banks closed at 4 pm) and held the family overnight to give Mr. S. time to raise the money from his business. This would comport with the tweet from the possible niece saying her uncle was instructed to tell his company that the cash was for "art."

2. (Possible, based upon reports that suggest the $40,000 delivery may have been already "scheduled" before the home invasion.) Someone knew Mr. Savopoulos was having a cash delivery and set this all up to get that money. I am more skeptical of this, not only because of the tweets from the family member, but because it does seem there would be safer/quicker methods to intercept a delivery than holding a family overnight. The holding overnight seems the key to the idea that they were forced to raise money and it took some time.

3. Could have been semi-random -- target a wealthy home (as in the CT case) assuming that the family would have access to funds within a day. Once there, it would be easy enough for the criminals to leverage safe release (a lie, sadly) on full, complete cooperation to the level of having the S adults think of anyone who might come to their home and think of how to give excuses that would keep them away. If you were literally helpless and could be killed in 5 minutes, but were told you could be released in the morning if you cooperated, most people would try very hard indeed to keep the killers calm and pacified and hope for release.

Yes, #1 - the question is Iron works employee OR domestic helper/her acquitance. I have been pushing the Iron works connection but certainly think that someone known to the living housekeeper is very likely.