DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

Where is "Girls DA Guy"? 3, 2, 1 . . .

[Anonymous]

I'd heard about some clubs leaving the ECNL. Which ones are those? Is SoCal Blues one of them?

[Anonymous]

Chiming in about high school:
Girls DA permits their players to play other HS sports, just not soccer. Winter sports are particularly easy to add in.
My older child is juggling both HS and club (not DA or ECNL but high-level) soccer, and the training/playing load is grueling. Just look at the USWNT players’ injuries accumulating, possibly from adding national team games to a full NWSL slate of training/playing. I’m not sure that high school soccer on top of a high level club team is a good idea health-wise even if it is permitted and even if the club schedule is purposefully lighter during HS season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having had my DD in the ECNL and now I the DA, a couple of points.

1. Cost is the same. Spirit made the "mistake" of charing it all in one lump sum, but I added my ecnl bill up from last year, and it's the same. Maybe even a little better now that Spirit let's me get my DD her airfare.

2. Parents who think the ecnl compares in quality say that because that's all they know. I myself was skeptical, but my DD wanted the year round training and she loved the idea of being in an NWSL academy (which she's super pumped that next year they will wear the pro kits).

You can't judge - or shouldn't judge - a league by stats. If you did, then last year, McLean and Richmond Utd sucked. It should be on the quality of play (like do they teach possession and building from the back), the development of the players (which my DD has visibly gotten better), and the overall atmosphere.

My DD could make any team in VA she wanted to. She always has. But if you see and live the DA experience, it's so much more than just another league.

(which we came into this viewing it as an experiment). We would have gone back to her ecnl team if this hadn't been better. But it has been.

Dude, would you please get a username and post under that? Your posts are so insightful and valuable that I want to be able to identify them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/high-school-soccer-article/the-ecnl-and-high-school-walk-tightrope_aid32569

Here. Read some history. HS debate is not new. Anyone who has been around awhile knows this.

just read that article for 1st time. i havent been around long enough and could have easily changed the names of those involved and not realized the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:USSf should do the following

VDA put their girls in ecnl. Strip them of their boys DA and give it to Arlngton. VDA can be all in ECNL. Arlington can be all in DA.

Do that across the US. No more mix and matching. All in or all out.

What would be your rationale for this (other than just penalizing those who not align with your preferences)?

How would that penalize the club. A club should not be able to choose DA for the boys because it's the best platform and also choose ECNL for the girls and say it's the best platform. Talk out both sides of their mouth. Which one is It? All in or all out.

Because the choices on boys and girls sides are very different. BECNL would be a poor substitute for BDA, while GDA and GECNL are more comparable in terms of level of play.

So your argument is that the boys are victims and must suffer in BDA because there is no alternative league, such as Boy ECNL, that can meet their developmental needs? Do boys not dream to play HS ball?

Is the boys ECNL a true alternative? Is is competitive like the BDA?

Absolutely. BRYC is a strong club, and was always top of the CCL. You are also playing PDA's B team, which I guarantee is stronger than anything you are playing around here. Richmond Utd's ECNL team played PDA's C team and barely beat them with a late goal at the last minute, for a 1-0. Penn Fusion has no BDA, so you are playing their top team. I don't think Albertson Fury has a BDA, so it's their top team. Maryland Utd's top team is pretty decent too. Look at the competition. People are talking out of their mouths about the boys' ECNL because it supports their world view about boys and girls needing different platforms.

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Anonymous wrote:USSf should do the following

VDA put their girls in ecnl. Strip them of their boys DA and give it to Arlngton. VDA can be all in ECNL. Arlington can be all in DA.

Do that across the US. No more mix and matching. All in or all out.

What would be your rationale for this (other than just penalizing those who not align with your preferences)?

How would that penalize the club. A club should not be able to choose DA for the boys because it's the best platform and also choose ECNL for the girls and say it's the best platform. Talk out both sides of their mouth. Which one is It? All in or all out.

Because the choices on boys and girls sides are very different. BECNL would be a poor substitute for BDA, while GDA and GECNL are more comparable in terms of level of play.

So your argument is that the boys are victims and must suffer in BDA because there is no alternative league, such as Boy ECNL, that can meet their developmental needs? Do boys not dream to play HS ball?

Is the boys ECNL a true alternative? Is is competitive like the BDA?

Absolutely. BRYC is a strong club, and was always top of the CCL. You are also playing PDA's B team, which I guarantee is stronger than anything you are playing around here. Richmond Utd's ECNL team played PDA's C team and barely beat them with a late goal at the last minute, for a 1-0. Penn Fusion has no BDA, so you are playing their top team. I don't think Albertson Fury has a BDA, so it's their top team. Maryland Utd's top team is pretty decent too. Look at the competition. People are talking out of their mouths about the boys' ECNL because it supports their world view about boys and girls needing different platforms.

World view? It is about the showcases and the difference between the coaching attendance at a BDA showcase versus a boys ECNL show case are night and day. Also, you mention that you would play PDA's "B Team" in ECNL yet manage to leave out the small detail that PDA's "A Team" is in fact BDA.

So no, boys ECNL is not an alternative to BDA as much as it is simply a rich mans NPL.

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Yes, world view. You are probably the same person who says ECNL is better for girls.

The person was asking about competition. Obviously the ECNL teams are B teams and the DA teams are A teams. I openly called the PDA boys' ECNL team the B team, so I wasn't hiding anything. I just said it's still better than the competition around here. In fact, I would wager PDA's ECNL team could beat RU Boys' DA, but since that cross competition never happens, I mentioned about when RU's ECNL team played PDA's C team, because that actually did happen.

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Yes, world view. You are probably the same person who says ECNL is better for girls.

The person was asking about competition. Obviously the ECNL teams are B teams and the DA teams are A teams. I openly called the PDA boys' ECNL team the B team, so I wasn't hiding anything. I just said it's still better than the competition around here. In fact, I would wager PDA's ECNL team could beat RU Boys' DA, but since that cross competition never happens, I mentioned about when RU's ECNL team played PDA's C team, because that actually did happen.

BRYC ECNL team is in a conference with teams from NC/SC.

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Yes, world view. You are probably the same person who says ECNL is better for girls.

The person was asking about competition. Obviously the ECNL teams are B teams and the DA teams are A teams. I openly called the PDA boys' ECNL team the B team, so I wasn't hiding anything. I just said it's still better than the competition around here. In fact, I would wager PDA's ECNL team could beat RU Boys' DA, but since that cross competition never happens, I mentioned about when RU's ECNL team played PDA's C team, because that actually did happen.

When you are playing a clubs B team as ECNL when that clubs A team is a DA team you cannot say that ECNL is an "alternative", implying that they are equal. BRYC ECNL is NOT equal to DC United, I mean BRYC is literally not even in the same league.

It is better framed to say that Boys ECNL is a alternative to CCL, NPL or EDP, but if given the choice it is NOT an alternative to BDA.

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So no, boys ECNL is not an alternative to BDA as much as it is simply a rich mans NPL.

That is all any ECNL has every been.

Now, ECNL guy go...3,2,1

[Anonymous]

And....Indy Fire leaves the Girls DA to join the ECNL again.

The blood letting continues.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, world view. You are probably the same person who says ECNL is better for girls.

The person was asking about competition. Obviously the ECNL teams are B teams and the DA teams are A teams. I openly called the PDA boys' ECNL team the B team, so I wasn't hiding anything. I just said it's still better than the competition around here. In fact, I would wager PDA's ECNL team could beat RU Boys' DA, but since that cross competition never happens, I mentioned about when RU's ECNL team played PDA's C team, because that actually did happen.

When you are playing a clubs B team as ECNL when that clubs A team is a DA team you cannot say that ECNL is an "alternative", implying that they are equal. BRYC ECNL is NOT equal to DC United, I mean BRYC is literally not even in the same league.

It is better framed to say that Boys ECNL is a alternative to CCL, NPL or EDP, but if given the choice it is NOT an alternative to BDA.

I'm pretty sure someone on this forum asked if their child didn't make it onto a DA team, what is the next league to look at. It's the ECNL. The ECNL is a better league than the CCL, which is (or at least was, now it's hard to say) a better league than the NPL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And....Indy Fire leaves the Girls DA to join the ECNL again.

The blood letting continues.

Old news. We already talked about that on this forum. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, world view. You are probably the same person who says ECNL is better for girls.

The person was asking about competition. Obviously the ECNL teams are B teams and the DA teams are A teams. I openly called the PDA boys' ECNL team the B team, so I wasn't hiding anything. I just said it's still better than the competition around here. In fact, I would wager PDA's ECNL team could beat RU Boys' DA, but since that cross competition never happens, I mentioned about when RU's ECNL team played PDA's C team, because that actually did happen.

BRYC ECNL team is in a conference with teams from NC/SC.

Not the boys' ECNL. Check their website. People need to actually know the boys' ECNL to talk about. That seems to be a recurring theme on this forum: people talking about leagues they haven't actually participated in.