King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?

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Anonymous wrote:My prediction! Put me down for 5 bucks on this outcome:

They will need the Coates kids to keep KAA from being too well-off. Floris will go to KAA. McNair will stay at Westfield and Westfield will just end up with 2300 or so kids instead of 27-2800. BRES will stay at CVHS to avoid overburdening Stone/Westfield with all the needy kids. No one gets threatening calls from Kathy Smith about Poplar Tree.

This keeps the fewest people from being unhappy and no one gets "downgraded".

The more people you move, the more drama. FCPS is conflict-avoidant.

That creates a new McNair island at Westfield. If they are going to create a new attendance island they need to throw out the entire boundary study.

Well, its not new because they were already zoned there. I think trying to build a demographically acceptable HS will likely result in some attendance islands. I don't think the SB's number 1 priority is logical boundaries. Its on the list, more around tenth priority.

Thru Consulting’s top priority was to eliminate attendance islands and it’s also in Policy 8130. Would be extremely odd for FCPS to create a new one at McNair separated from the rest of the Westfield attendance area.

they are in a pickle, then, because NOT creating an attendance island at McNair opens up a whole lot of other thorny issues.

What is the thorny issue? It makes sense to have adjacent communities go to the same school. You just don't like that.

Bingo.

Oh, interesting. So you agree that Poplar Tree should move to Westfield? Its adjacent to Cub Run.

Oh, the Poplar tree people will happily throw Lees Corner under the bus. Just wait for it.

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Anonymous wrote:My prediction! Put me down for 5 bucks on this outcome:

They will need the Coates kids to keep KAA from being too well-off. Floris will go to KAA. McNair will stay at Westfield and Westfield will just end up with 2300 or so kids instead of 27-2800. BRES will stay at CVHS to avoid overburdening Stone/Westfield with all the needy kids. No one gets threatening calls from Kathy Smith about Poplar Tree.

This keeps the fewest people from being unhappy and no one gets "downgraded".

The more people you move, the more drama. FCPS is conflict-avoidant.

That creates a new McNair island at Westfield. If they are going to create a new attendance island they need to throw out the entire boundary study.

Well, its not new because they were already zoned there. I think trying to build a demographically acceptable HS will likely result in some attendance islands. I don't think the SB's number 1 priority is logical boundaries. Its on the list, more around tenth priority.

Thru Consulting’s top priority was to eliminate attendance islands and it’s also in Policy 8130. Would be extremely odd for FCPS to create a new one at McNair separated from the rest of the Westfield attendance area.

they are in a pickle, then, because NOT creating an attendance island at McNair opens up a whole lot of other thorny issues.

What is the thorny issue? It makes sense to have adjacent communities go to the same school. You just don't like that.

Bingo.

Oh, interesting. So you agree that Poplar Tree should move to Westfield? Its adjacent to Cub Run.

Nope. Much of Poplar Tree is very close to Chantilly and Oak Hill will already move to KAA. On the other hand, Bull Run isn’t similarly close to either Westfield or Centreville so moving it makes more sense.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are trying to replace Mcnair/coates/floris, it makes sense to add Poplar Tree to Westfield since its contiguous boundaries but it doesn't sound like they can add a whole school to Stone, so then you would have misaligned middle school feeders.

Bull Run is contiguous to the current Westfield boundaries apart from the small island north of Centre Ridge. Poplar Tree is quite close to Chantilly.

Given Stone’s small size a split feeder MS may be inevitable.

Both Poplar Tree and Bull Run are equally "contiguous" to WFHS boundaries-meaning they are both somewhat related and somewhat unrelated.

There will need to be at least two schools added to Westfield to replace the schools who are likely to be zoned to KAA. Bull Run + Poplar Tree make the most sense as the 2 candidates. Poplar Tree is closer to Westfield than most of the Bull Run zone.

Sure, like they are just going to leave Chantilly with three feeders and a small piece of Navy.

All you’re doing with this type of suggestion is making a case to abandon the KAA purchase. Is that your goal?

Greenbriar East, Greenbriar West, Oak Hill, Part of Navy, Brookfield, Poplar Tree and Lees Corner all feed to Chantilly. The suggestion to move Poplar Tree leaves Chantilly with 5 1/2 feeders. What's the problem?

Oak Hill is right across the street from KAA.

It sounds like a lot of areas are right next to KAA. Everyone can't go there!

Is GBE, GBW, Brookfield, Lees Corner, and part of Navy not enough kids for CHS?

Suggest you go to maps and track the distance from Poplar Tree to Westfield and Poplar Tree to Chantilly.

Yes, its closer to CHS. So what? Its also one of the most logical choices to go to Westfield.

No. There are some schools that are not close to any high school. But, Poplar Tree is quite close to Chantilly and some of the neighborhood streets are VERY close.

That's not a logical argument. Poplar Tree is one of the closest ES to Westfield not actually zoned to Westfield. Westfield needs more kids. The distance to Chantilly isn't relevant.

Why not Lee's corner? They already go to Franklin, which sends kids to Westfield. It makes no sense to make Rocky Run a split feeder too. Plus, they are likely already on a bus.

Lee's Corner is less than 1 mile from Chantilly. So, is much of its neighborhood.

Yes, but they cross 50 and all the associated traffic with that, so they aren't really as next door to Chantilly as you make it seem. I personally think they will remain at Chantilly, but if Oak Hill gets sent to KAA, then the entirety of Lees Corner plus a small fraction of Navy are the only schools that feed into Chantilly. So, since Franklin already sends kids to Westfield it could clear up that situation a bit to where Franklin feeds only Westfield and Oakton.

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Well, if the number 1 priority is no attendance islands, then they will definitely need to find two schools to move to Westfield to replace Coates/McNair/Floris.

Two ES will have to be moved. That's two schools worth of unhappy families for the SB and FCPS to contend with. Which two? Maybe they should just write down all the adjacent schools and draw out of a hat. Seems as fair as any other way.

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Anonymous wrote:My prediction! Put me down for 5 bucks on this outcome:

They will need the Coates kids to keep KAA from being too well-off. Floris will go to KAA. McNair will stay at Westfield and Westfield will just end up with 2300 or so kids instead of 27-2800. BRES will stay at CVHS to avoid overburdening Stone/Westfield with all the needy kids. No one gets threatening calls from Kathy Smith about Poplar Tree.

This keeps the fewest people from being unhappy and no one gets "downgraded".

The more people you move, the more drama. FCPS is conflict-avoidant.

That creates a new McNair island at Westfield. If they are going to create a new attendance island they need to throw out the entire boundary study.

Well, its not new because they were already zoned there. I think trying to build a demographically acceptable HS will likely result in some attendance islands. I don't think the SB's number 1 priority is logical boundaries. Its on the list, more around tenth priority.

Thru Consulting’s top priority was to eliminate attendance islands and it’s also in Policy 8130. Would be extremely odd for FCPS to create a new one at McNair separated from the rest of the Westfield attendance area.

they are in a pickle, then, because NOT creating an attendance island at McNair opens up a whole lot of other thorny issues.

What is the thorny issue? It makes sense to have adjacent communities go to the same school. You just don't like that.

Bingo.

Oh, interesting. So you agree that Poplar Tree should move to Westfield? Its adjacent to Cub Run.

Nope. Much of Poplar Tree is very close to Chantilly and Oak Hill will already move to KAA. On the other hand, Bull Run isn’t similarly close to either Westfield or Centreville so moving it makes more sense.

Taking your assertions as true (not sure they are but just for the sake of discussion), you still need to find one more school to move.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, if the number 1 priority is no attendance islands, then they will definitely need to find two schools to move to Westfield to replace Coates/McNair/Floris.

Two ES will have to be moved. That's two schools worth of unhappy families for the SB and FCPS to contend with. Which two? Maybe they should just write down all the adjacent schools and draw out of a hat. Seems as fair as any other way.

Toss Bull Run, Poplar Tree, Lees Corner, and Brookfield in a hat, pick two names, and be done with it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are trying to replace Mcnair/coates/floris, it makes sense to add Poplar Tree to Westfield since its contiguous boundaries but it doesn't sound like they can add a whole school to Stone, so then you would have misaligned middle school feeders.

Bull Run is contiguous to the current Westfield boundaries apart from the small island north of Centre Ridge. Poplar Tree is quite close to Chantilly.

Given Stone’s small size a split feeder MS may be inevitable.

Both Poplar Tree and Bull Run are equally "contiguous" to WFHS boundaries-meaning they are both somewhat related and somewhat unrelated.

There will need to be at least two schools added to Westfield to replace the schools who are likely to be zoned to KAA. Bull Run + Poplar Tree make the most sense as the 2 candidates. Poplar Tree is closer to Westfield than most of the Bull Run zone.

Sure, like they are just going to leave Chantilly with three feeders and a small piece of Navy.

All you’re doing with this type of suggestion is making a case to abandon the KAA purchase. Is that your goal?

Greenbriar East, Greenbriar West, Oak Hill, Part of Navy, Brookfield, Poplar Tree and Lees Corner all feed to Chantilly. The suggestion to move Poplar Tree leaves Chantilly with 5 1/2 feeders. What's the problem?

Oak Hill is right across the street from KAA.

It sounds like a lot of areas are right next to KAA. Everyone can't go there!

Is GBE, GBW, Brookfield, Lees Corner, and part of Navy not enough kids for CHS?

Suggest you go to maps and track the distance from Poplar Tree to Westfield and Poplar Tree to Chantilly.

Yes, its closer to CHS. So what? Its also one of the most logical choices to go to Westfield.

No. There are some schools that are not close to any high school. But, Poplar Tree is quite close to Chantilly and some of the neighborhood streets are VERY close.

That's not a logical argument. Poplar Tree is one of the closest ES to Westfield not actually zoned to Westfield. Westfield needs more kids. The distance to Chantilly isn't relevant.

Why not Lee's corner? They already go to Franklin, which sends kids to Westfield. It makes no sense to make Rocky Run a split feeder too. Plus, they are likely already on a bus.

Lee's Corner is less than 1 mile from Chantilly. So, is much of its neighborhood.

Yes, but they cross 50 and all the associated traffic with that, so they aren't really as next door to Chantilly as you make it seem. I personally think they will remain at Chantilly, but if Oak Hill gets sent to KAA, then the entirety of Lees Corner plus a small fraction of Navy are the only schools that feed into Chantilly from Franklin. So, since Franklin already sends kids to Westfield it could clear up that situation a bit to where Franklin feeds only Westfield and Oakton.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they hate attendance islands more than they hate hordes of angry parents? Only time will tell. Stay tuned.

You don't think McNair families count?

Sure they do, but they are already at Westfield, their choice. They aren't losing anything.

They are losing adjacent communities with kids at Westfield. If you have high school students, you would know that matters very much.

It would be one elementary school community more than 7 miles from the nearest community that goes to the same high school. Do you not have any compassion for the kids? Get real.

I don't see the drama, sorry. Over 150 kids from McNair per grade all going to the same HS together, the HS they have been zoned to for many years and the HS their parents chose when they moved to their neighborhood.

You don't want your teens to expand their horizons and make new friends? Wow. That is very sad.

This comment...makes no sense.

Makes great sense. You want new friends to live more than 7 miles away?

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Anonymous wrote:My prediction! Put me down for 5 bucks on this outcome:

They will need the Coates kids to keep KAA from being too well-off. Floris will go to KAA. McNair will stay at Westfield and Westfield will just end up with 2300 or so kids instead of 27-2800. BRES will stay at CVHS to avoid overburdening Stone/Westfield with all the needy kids. No one gets threatening calls from Kathy Smith about Poplar Tree.

This keeps the fewest people from being unhappy and no one gets "downgraded".

The more people you move, the more drama. FCPS is conflict-avoidant.

That creates a new McNair island at Westfield. If they are going to create a new attendance island they need to throw out the entire boundary study.

Well, its not new because they were already zoned there. I think trying to build a demographically acceptable HS will likely result in some attendance islands. I don't think the SB's number 1 priority is logical boundaries. Its on the list, more around tenth priority.

Thru Consulting’s top priority was to eliminate attendance islands and it’s also in Policy 8130. Would be extremely odd for FCPS to create a new one at McNair separated from the rest of the Westfield attendance area.

they are in a pickle, then, because NOT creating an attendance island at McNair opens up a whole lot of other thorny issues.

What is the thorny issue? It makes sense to have adjacent communities go to the same school. You just don't like that.

Bingo.

Oh, interesting. So you agree that Poplar Tree should move to Westfield? Its adjacent to Cub Run.

Nope. Much of Poplar Tree is very close to Chantilly and Oak Hill will already move to KAA. On the other hand, Bull Run isn’t similarly close to either Westfield or Centreville so moving it makes more sense.

Taking your assertions as true (not sure they are but just for the sake of discussion), you still need to find one more school to move.

Five ES feeders are enough, especially if adding a sixth would reduce other pyramids to three or four. Smaller enrollments are a goal here, not a bug.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are trying to replace Mcnair/coates/floris, it makes sense to add Poplar Tree to Westfield since its contiguous boundaries but it doesn't sound like they can add a whole school to Stone, so then you would have misaligned middle school feeders.

Bull Run is contiguous to the current Westfield boundaries apart from the small island north of Centre Ridge. Poplar Tree is quite close to Chantilly.

Given Stone’s small size a split feeder MS may be inevitable.

Both Poplar Tree and Bull Run are equally "contiguous" to WFHS boundaries-meaning they are both somewhat related and somewhat unrelated.

There will need to be at least two schools added to Westfield to replace the schools who are likely to be zoned to KAA. Bull Run + Poplar Tree make the most sense as the 2 candidates. Poplar Tree is closer to Westfield than most of the Bull Run zone.

Sure, like they are just going to leave Chantilly with three feeders and a small piece of Navy.

All you’re doing with this type of suggestion is making a case to abandon the KAA purchase. Is that your goal?

Greenbriar East, Greenbriar West, Oak Hill, Part of Navy, Brookfield, Poplar Tree and Lees Corner all feed to Chantilly. The suggestion to move Poplar Tree leaves Chantilly with 5 1/2 feeders. What's the problem?

Oak Hill is right across the street from KAA.

It sounds like a lot of areas are right next to KAA. Everyone can't go there!

Is GBE, GBW, Brookfield, Lees Corner, and part of Navy not enough kids for CHS?

Suggest you go to maps and track the distance from Poplar Tree to Westfield and Poplar Tree to Chantilly.

Yes, its closer to CHS. So what? Its also one of the most logical choices to go to Westfield.

No. There are some schools that are not close to any high school. But, Poplar Tree is quite close to Chantilly and some of the neighborhood streets are VERY close.

That's not a logical argument. Poplar Tree is one of the closest ES to Westfield not actually zoned to Westfield. Westfield needs more kids. The distance to Chantilly isn't relevant.

Why not Lee's corner? They already go to Franklin, which sends kids to Westfield. It makes no sense to make Rocky Run a split feeder too. Plus, they are likely already on a bus.

Lee's Corner is less than 1 mile from Chantilly. So, is much of its neighborhood.

Yes, but they cross 50 and all the associated traffic with that, so they aren't really as next door to Chantilly as you make it seem. I personally think they will remain at Chantilly, but if Oak Hill gets sent to KAA, then the entirety of Lees Corner plus a small fraction of Navy are the only schools that feed into Chantilly. So, since Franklin already sends kids to Westfield it could clear up that situation a bit to where Franklin feeds only Westfield and Oakton.

Franklin currently sends only a very small number of students to Westfield. It is currently about 96-99% Oakton and Chantilly.

Sending Oak Hill students to KAA makes the most sense, so that would probably make Franklin a KAA-Oakton-Chantilly feeder, with possibly a small number to Westfield.

They should also send all the Franklin AAP students back to Franklin, which would eliminate Chantilly from the list of high schools into which Carson feeds.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, if the number 1 priority is no attendance islands, then they will definitely need to find two schools to move to Westfield to replace Coates/McNair/Floris.

Two ES will have to be moved. That's two schools worth of unhappy families for the SB and FCPS to contend with. Which two? Maybe they should just write down all the adjacent schools and draw out of a hat. Seems as fair as any other way.

Toss Bull Run, Poplar Tree, Lees Corner, and Brookfield in a hat, pick two names, and be done with it.

You're missing that Rocky Run is literally across the street and down the block from Chantilly. Messing with schools already attending Rocky Run would create a whole new mess. That eliminates Brookfield and Poplar Tree from this exercise.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, if the number 1 priority is no attendance islands, then they will definitely need to find two schools to move to Westfield to replace Coates/McNair/Floris.

Two ES will have to be moved. That's two schools worth of unhappy families for the SB and FCPS to contend with. Which two? Maybe they should just write down all the adjacent schools and draw out of a hat. Seems as fair as any other way.

Toss Bull Run, Poplar Tree, Lees Corner, and Brookfield in a hat, pick two names, and be done with it.

You're missing that Rocky Run is literally across the street and down the block from Chantilly. Messing with schools already attending Rocky Run would create a whole new mess. That eliminates Brookfield and Poplar Tree from this exercise.

Nope. They can go to Rocky Run and switch for high school. No worries!

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Sorry, everyone adjacent is going in the hat. There are reasons to include or exclude all four of those schools, none more compelling than the other.

They could make a big drawing, like Lotto or the Hunger Games.

May the odds be ever in your favor.

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random drawing is as fair as any other way

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, everyone adjacent is going in the hat. There are reasons to include or exclude all four of those schools, none more compelling than the other.

They could make a big drawing, like Lotto or the Hunger Games.

May the odds be ever in your favor.

I’m surprised you haven’t told us it’s all moot because KAA will be an aviation school. Maybe you’re saving that for tomorrow.