Loudoun County School Board meeting descends into absolute chaos

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The implication of CRT is that whites have the upper hand always. That implies that blacks do not have a way to over come this, unless you are applying racism on whites. You are actually a white supremisist when you endorse CRT.


No, it says that institutions are more likely to be structured to give the upper hand to the group that was dominant in the development and maintenance of those institutions. CRT seeks to examine and dismantle that power structure to give everyone a more equal chance.


How? By dismantling our government? How do you teach kids about our institutions and simultaneously instruct them to dismantle them?


OH MY GOD KEEP GOING!! You’ve almost got it!


Their true intent comes out. These people who want CRT just want everything destroyed and rebuilt. They think they know they can create utopia. But it's all just a game to destroy lives.


You don't WANT CRT, you use it as a theoretical lens to understand institutions. You don't have to dismantle institutions to improve them--desegregating schools was an example of examining systemic racism in institutions and working for change. Are you purposefully being dense?
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Anonymous wrote:The American economy was fully dependant on slaves. They were the collateral for bank loans. Cotton was an economy that created the quota system here. Without the slaves, there would be no Superpower U.S. Land was not worth much, so as I said, collateral were the slaves. Plantation owners took loans to buy more slaves. The world stocks, many, were in slaves. In the 1830s, with the collapse of the cotton trade, the economy collapsed in the U.S. What was done about it? Nothing. Well, then the Civil War happened...
Slaves were brutally punished if they did not meet their daily quota of cotton picking. To this day, we have remnants of this capitalist "work ethic." When you see your boss who is unhappy with your productivity, that is a call back to when slaves were punished. When slaves overproduced, that led to their quota increasing and possible punishment the next day if the new quota was not met.
Do you know that rather than treat African Americans from chickenpox, the city ordered the hospital burned? In Congress, it was openly debated that there is no need to cure and waste resources on African Americans, as they were clearly vastly inferior and not suited for life in the States, and hence were dying out, and that was the best course faction, to let them die out.
Do you know that there was an AA man who looked white and his life was being saved by white doctors in a white hospital? But, when his family showed up it became clear that he was not white....so they stopped treating him, and sent him to a colored hospital where he died soon after that.
Is any of this taught in U.S. public or private schools?



The cotton quotas isn’t anything surprising. However, I’d like to see your citations page because I can also write stories for Hollywood too
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Anonymous wrote:The American economy was fully dependant on slaves. They were the collateral for bank loans. Cotton was an economy that created the quota system here. Without the slaves, there would be no Superpower U.S. Land was not worth much, so as I said, collateral were the slaves. Plantation owners took loans to buy more slaves. The world stocks, many, were in slaves. In the 1830s, with the collapse of the cotton trade, the economy collapsed in the U.S. What was done about it? Nothing. Well, then the Civil War happened...
Slaves were brutally punished if they did not meet their daily quota of cotton picking. To this day, we have remnants of this capitalist "work ethic." When you see your boss who is unhappy with your productivity, that is a call back to when slaves were punished. When slaves overproduced, that led to their quota increasing and possible punishment the next day if the new quota was not met.
Do you know that rather than treat African Americans from chickenpox, the city ordered the hospital burned? In Congress, it was openly debated that there is no need to cure and waste resources on African Americans, as they were clearly vastly inferior and not suited for life in the States, and hence were dying out, and that was the best course faction, to let them die out.
Do you know that there was an AA man who looked white and his life was being saved by white doctors in a white hospital? But, when his family showed up it became clear that he was not white....so they stopped treating him, and sent him to a colored hospital where he died soon after that.
Is any of this taught in U.S. public or private schools?



The cotton quotas isn’t anything surprising. However, I’d like to see your citations page because I can also write stories for Hollywood too

It is in a myriad of academic papers. And are you seriously questioning this, when we know that inequality of racial health care exists even today? To this day we have segregated hospitals.
If you question it, search for it. Instead, when you google it, you get a whole page of white supremacists denying it.
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Chris Hayes on Twitter: “ The CPAC t-shirt vendor who told a reporter that the Hillary and Obama merch was still flying off the shelves but he couldn't move the Biden stuff might be the single most important anecdote to understanding the current moment.”

All this CRT stuff is just about keeping conservatives (which are now pretty much limited to people who are white and fearful of minorities gaining power) fired up since Biden isn’t giving them much to work with
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Anonymous wrote:Who in Africa sold the slaves?


How is it possible that we have slavery apologists in 2021? WTF is wrong with you people?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote: Chris Hayes on Twitter: “ The CPAC t-shirt vendor who told a reporter that the Hillary and Obama merch was still flying off the shelves but he couldn't move the Biden stuff might be the single most important anecdote to understanding the current moment.”

All this CRT stuff is just about keeping conservatives (which are now pretty much limited to people who are white and fearful of minorities gaining power) fired up since Biden isn’t giving them much to work with


What a bunch of crap.

People who are complaining are NOT just conservatives. And, there are plenty of conservatives who are black and Hispanic. And, a variety of other races.
Your comment demonstrates that you are totally out of touch.
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Anonymous wrote: Chris Hayes on Twitter: “ The CPAC t-shirt vendor who told a reporter that the Hillary and Obama merch was still flying off the shelves but he couldn't move the Biden stuff might be the single most important anecdote to understanding the current moment.”

All this CRT stuff is just about keeping conservatives (which are now pretty much limited to people who are white and fearful of minorities gaining power) fired up since Biden isn’t giving them much to work with


What a bunch of crap.

People who are complaining are NOT just conservatives. And, there are plenty of conservatives who are black and Hispanic. And, a variety of other races.
Your comment demonstrates that you are totally out of touch.


Go back and watch the video on the first page of this thread. The only person of color I see is the official videographer.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Chris Hayes on Twitter: “ The CPAC t-shirt vendor who told a reporter that the Hillary and Obama merch was still flying off the shelves but he couldn't move the Biden stuff might be the single most important anecdote to understanding the current moment.”

All this CRT stuff is just about keeping conservatives (which are now pretty much limited to people who are white and fearful of minorities gaining power) fired up since Biden isn’t giving them much to work with


What a bunch of crap.

People who are complaining are NOT just conservatives. And, there are plenty of conservatives who are black and Hispanic. And, a variety of other races.
Your comment demonstrates that you are totally out of touch.


Trump voters in 2020:

white men: 58 percent
white women: 55 percent

black voters: 12 percent -- 9 percent if you just look at voters under 30 (Trump got older voters across the board)
Hispanic voters: 33 percent -- 21 percent of just younger voters
Asian American voters: 36 percent -- 13 percent of just younger voters
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Anonymous wrote:The American economy was fully dependant on slaves. They were the collateral for bank loans. Cotton was an economy that created the quota system here. Without the slaves, there would be no Superpower U.S. Land was not worth much, so as I said, collateral were the slaves. Plantation owners took loans to buy more slaves. The world stocks, many, were in slaves. In the 1830s, with the collapse of the cotton trade, the economy collapsed in the U.S. What was done about it? Nothing. Well, then the Civil War happened...
Slaves were brutally punished if they did not meet their daily quota of cotton picking. To this day, we have remnants of this capitalist "work ethic." When you see your boss who is unhappy with your productivity, that is a call back to when slaves were punished. When slaves overproduced, that led to their quota increasing and possible punishment the next day if the new quota was not met.
Do you know that rather than treat African Americans from chickenpox, the city ordered the hospital burned? In Congress, it was openly debated that there is no need to cure and waste resources on African Americans, as they were clearly vastly inferior and not suited for life in the States, and hence were dying out, and that was the best course faction, to let them die out.
Do you know that there was an AA man who looked white and his life was being saved by white doctors in a white hospital? But, when his family showed up it became clear that he was not white....so they stopped treating him, and sent him to a colored hospital where he died soon after that.
Is any of this taught in U.S. public or private schools?


The american economy exploited slaves, but was not dependent on them. Keeping the fruits of labor in the hands of oligarchs *was* dependent on them. Land was plentiful and Labor was cheap; millions of willing immigrants would've freely farmed cotton for profit. However, the relatively few large slaveowners would not have been able to get richer. Had enslaved people been suddenly granted full freedom, they'd have simply moved west and farmed their own lands, to their own profit rather than the profit of their owners (or those they were indentured to).

Slavery was NOT required for America to grow into a superpower: it was inevitable once the globe-travelling European surplus population discovered a fertile continent sparsely populated by neolithic peoples. Plentiful Labor and Plentiful Land with few restrictions on production will always result in an explosion of Wealth and Capital.

The enslavement angle was necessary to capture the slaves rightful wages for the benefit of the relatively few large slaveholders and the northern bankers they depended on. This enriched a few families at the expense of many enslaved people as well as the free poor who had to compete with them.

This alone justifies shifting Federal Taxes from current period wages (most income taxes, payroll taxes) and onto accrued, non-labor produced wealth -- namely Land Values and Government Privileges (Intellectual Property, Extraction Rights, Pollution Rights)
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DP. We were able to see classes this past year. We could watch our kids' virtual classes and what was taught. And yes, there were some trial classes where the teaching was that White people are oppressors and colonizers.

Teachers may not intend to divide the students against each other. But that's the effect.


I’m very curious about the context for this. Care to share?

What they saw was probably just a run of the mill history class that covered factual evidence about how white people (especially rich white males) have, in fact, used their systemic power to oppress others in order to preserve their own positional wealth and privilege. It’s not a secret that this happened and any child reading a thorough American history book will see the pattern for themselves.

Personally, I find it insulting that instead of wanting our children to have a thorough understanding of our history (good bad and otherwise), some people are willing to literally demand censorship. Our kids are not dumb. They also have access to the internet. They’re going to figure it out at some point regardless of what they learn in school.


It’s the framing of history almost exclusively through a racial lens biased against Whites that is unacceptable, unless accompanied by information also pointing out how other societies have also protected the interests of those in other dominant racial and ethnic groups. Critical pedagogy as being implemented now is largely about demonizing White and “White-adjacent” groups for the not-so-subtle purpose of stripping Whites and Asians of power and financial resources. That’s not history; it’s politics.


So, let me get this straight - in an American history class, it's OK to accurately describe the ways in which whites oppressed minorities in the US, as long as we include discussion of other countries where racial majorities also oppressed minorities? "So, yeah, whites in the US were bad, but really lots of people were bad around the world, so it's no big deal."

Aren't you embarrassed to have written something so dumb? You tried to dress it up, but it really didn't help.

These people can’t function without whataboutism.
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Anonymous wrote:The American economy was fully dependant on slaves. They were the collateral for bank loans. Cotton was an economy that created the quota system here. Without the slaves, there would be no Superpower U.S. Land was not worth much, so as I said, collateral were the slaves. Plantation owners took loans to buy more slaves. The world stocks, many, were in slaves. In the 1830s, with the collapse of the cotton trade, the economy collapsed in the U.S. What was done about it? Nothing. Well, then the Civil War happened...
Slaves were brutally punished if they did not meet their daily quota of cotton picking. To this day, we have remnants of this capitalist "work ethic." When you see your boss who is unhappy with your productivity, that is a call back to when slaves were punished. When slaves overproduced, that led to their quota increasing and possible punishment the next day if the new quota was not met.
Do you know that rather than treat African Americans from chickenpox, the city ordered the hospital burned? In Congress, it was openly debated that there is no need to cure and waste resources on African Americans, as they were clearly vastly inferior and not suited for life in the States, and hence were dying out, and that was the best course faction, to let them die out.
Do you know that there was an AA man who looked white and his life was being saved by white doctors in a white hospital? But, when his family showed up it became clear that he was not white....so they stopped treating him, and sent him to a colored hospital where he died soon after that.
Is any of this taught in U.S. public or private schools?



The cotton quotas isn’t anything surprising. However, I’d like to see your citations page because I can also write stories for Hollywood too


Sigh. It's like an elementary schooler wrote the first post. The US wasn't a superpower until long after slavery- after WW2. "When you see your boss who is unhappy with your productivity, that is a call back to when slaves were punished."- yeah no.
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Actually it is. Most of you are just not consuming history from historians and haven’t actively thought about history or how you learned one narrative of it since you left high school. I think it was Throughline that did an amazing episode last summer about how quotas for sales jobs, the tactics and punishments used, are DIRECTLY related to how overseers drove that productivity in the enslaved. It was an entire series on how our entire economic system is still very based on the slave economy we began with. It was fascinating to see it all interconnected.
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Anonymous wrote: Chris Hayes on Twitter: “ The CPAC t-shirt vendor who told a reporter that the Hillary and Obama merch was still flying off the shelves but he couldn't move the Biden stuff might be the single most important anecdote to understanding the current moment.”

All this CRT stuff is just about keeping conservatives (which are now pretty much limited to people who are white and fearful of minorities gaining power) fired up since Biden isn’t giving them much to work with


What a bunch of crap.

People who are complaining are NOT just conservatives. And, there are plenty of conservatives who are black and Hispanic. And, a variety of other races.
Your comment demonstrates that you are totally out of touch.


Go back and watch the video on the first page of this thread. The only person of color I see is the official videographer.


NP. It's loudoun county. There are tons of Hispanics and Asians, but if by "person of color" you mean black- you're right. The whole county is only 7% black. My neighborhood is very diverse, just doesn't have any AA.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Chris Hayes on Twitter: “ The CPAC t-shirt vendor who told a reporter that the Hillary and Obama merch was still flying off the shelves but he couldn't move the Biden stuff might be the single most important anecdote to understanding the current moment.”

All this CRT stuff is just about keeping conservatives (which are now pretty much limited to people who are white and fearful of minorities gaining power) fired up since Biden isn’t giving them much to work with


What a bunch of crap.

People who are complaining are NOT just conservatives. And, there are plenty of conservatives who are black and Hispanic. And, a variety of other races.
Your comment demonstrates that you are totally out of touch.


Go back and watch the video on the first page of this thread. The only person of color I see is the official videographer.


NP. It's loudoun county. There are tons of Hispanics and Asians, but if by "person of color" you mean black- you're right. The whole county is only 7% black. My neighborhood is very diverse, just doesn't have any AA.


Most of the Hispanic and Asian families aren’t opposed to what their kids are learning though. Only white parents seem to be frothing at the mouth about equity and inclusion . Some Asian families who don’t want admissions to the academies and TJ to be changed in response to the known finding of discriminatory practices are mad about that but they aren’t “anti CRT.” That is pretty much the purview of mad white parents.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Chris Hayes on Twitter: “ The CPAC t-shirt vendor who told a reporter that the Hillary and Obama merch was still flying off the shelves but he couldn't move the Biden stuff might be the single most important anecdote to understanding the current moment.”

All this CRT stuff is just about keeping conservatives (which are now pretty much limited to people who are white and fearful of minorities gaining power) fired up since Biden isn’t giving them much to work with


What a bunch of crap.

People who are complaining are NOT just conservatives. And, there are plenty of conservatives who are black and Hispanic. And, a variety of other races.
Your comment demonstrates that you are totally out of touch.


Trump voters in 2020:

white men: 58 percent
white women: 55 percent

black voters: 12 percent -- 9 percent if you just look at voters under 30 (Trump got older voters across the board)
Hispanic voters: 33 percent -- 21 percent of just younger voters
Asian American voters: 36 percent -- 13 percent of just younger voters

How many black people are agaist CRT?

I said up thread, Asian Americans who are against CRT are afraid that accepting it may lead to affirmative action in higher ed. They don't care about history. They care about now.

You can't teach history as just "facts" without understanding the reasoning behind what happened, ie, CRT. Look at the Chinese Exclusion laws as an example You can teach that this law was passed, but without teaching why it was passed, the impetus behind it, that fact is meaningless. It's like teaching math via rote memorization and not the logic behind the math concept. It leaves the student with a superficial understanding.
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