Loudoun County School Board meeting descends into absolute chaos

[Anonymous]

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The implication of CRT is that whites have the upper hand always. That implies that blacks do not have a way to over come this, unless you are applying racism on whites. You are actually a white supremisist when you endorse CRT.


No, it says that institutions are more likely to be structured to give the upper hand to the group that was dominant in the development and maintenance of those institutions. CRT seeks to examine and dismantle that power structure to give everyone a more equal chance.

How? By dismantling our government? How do you teach kids about our institutions and simultaneously instruct them to dismantle them?

OH MY GOD KEEP GOING!! You’ve almost got it!

Their true intent comes out. These people who want CRT just want everything destroyed and rebuilt. They think they know they can create utopia. But it's all just a game to destroy lives.

[Anonymous]

Dear Asian pp, you say you are offended by being called a racist? Why don't you listen to these and then tell us what you think? Why is it that we want to tear down the structures that are still present and promote racial inequality?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/podcasts/1619-podcast.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The implication of CRT is that whites have the upper hand always. That implies that blacks do not have a way to over come this, unless you are applying racism on whites. You are actually a white supremisist when you endorse CRT.


No, it says that institutions are more likely to be structured to give the upper hand to the group that was dominant in the development and maintenance of those institutions. CRT seeks to examine and dismantle that power structure to give everyone a more equal chance.

How? By dismantling our government? How do you teach kids about our institutions and simultaneously instruct them to dismantle them?

OH MY GOD KEEP GOING!! You’ve almost got it!

Their true intent comes out. These people who want CRT just want everything destroyed and rebuilt. They think they know they can create utopia. But it's all just a game to destroy lives.

"True intent!" Oh, so Qanon! Utopia of not killing people based on their skin color. The danger of these deviants who want equal treatment and understanding how is it that you watch a man be killed in broad daylight... and you think all is well with the power structures that allowed that to happen? That created the climate where that can happen?
Nope, you are not a racist at all, you are way past a simple racist. You are supremacy incarnate! And if you are the Asian pp, you are in favor of power structures that killed and murdered Asian people in the U.S. without ever facing the court of law. Bcs Chinese, and other Asians... were not worthy of the court and had absolutely no right in this country. If you have any rights, it is thanks to the hard work of.... mostly Black people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing with CRT.

The CNNs will tell you "they don't teach CTR in k-12, it's something they teach in law school" or "it's just teaching "real" history"

However, if you start looking at how CTR ideas are applied in school, I think you might question what exactly is being taught in schools - https://www.city-journal.org/christopher-rufo-on-woke-education

I feel like we already lost a lot of control over what our kids are exposed to. Very sexualized content starting as early as 5th grade and up. And now what I'm really concerned with is various children being taught that their "race" is something that might keep them down, no mater what they do.

If the system is racist, and you're black, well of course you'll fail! If you're white, you're definitely guilty of getting an upper hand in society, even if you aren't aware of it!

Then there's the, "if you don't think you're racist or America is racist, then YOU have white fragility!"

Do you see these circular arguments and negative implications of all of this CTR based language will lead to?

YOU ARE GOING TO CREATE MORE RACISTS BECAUSE OF YOUR FOCUS ON RACE!!!

My biggest concern is what type of a message is that for young children. They see a kid doing a fun thing at the park so they go to play with them. Now maybe with all this focus on race, they say, oh he's white/black...and that will be the first lense they view the world through.

Honestly this is rediculous to me, as an Asian. I feel bad for my white friends how they now are casted as evil (even with news articles saying Asian hate crimes are due to white supremacy?!) and I feel bad for my black friends, and especially their kids, who may now have an inferiority complex.

You guys might think these people are nuts, but there's a reason they are upset. I suggest you look into some of the emails and content being circulated and taught as assignments to your kids. You might be surprised and you might not like what you see.

Just bcs you are Asian doesn't mean you are not a racist. Which you just explained to all of us that you are. You are projecting on kids what you think. CRT language you claim is a problem is exactly right and on point. Are you actually arguing that you will create more racists if you focus on teaching how we got here, to be this racist? You sound like an immigrant and as such you are clearly ignorant of race issues in the U.S. Rather than write racist crap as you did above, and scream in all caps, how about your educated yourself on what systemic racism in the United States was and is?

Yes, keep calling everyone racist. You use it so much that it doesn’t even mean anything anymore. Bet you are a white sad upper class elite.

I called you what you are. Hard to take it? If you don't want to be seen as a racist, perhaps you should stop being a racist?

Call me what ever you want. I hope you enjoy your sad white guilt life for the rest of eternity. I’ll be fine.

I don't have to enjoy it. I am an immigrant and I did not grow up with this BS. What makes you think I have a white fiber in my body?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The implication of CRT is that whites have the upper hand always. That implies that blacks do not have a way to over come this, unless you are applying racism on whites. You are actually a white supremisist when you endorse CRT.


No, it says that institutions are more likely to be structured to give the upper hand to the group that was dominant in the development and maintenance of those institutions. CRT seeks to examine and dismantle that power structure to give everyone a more equal chance.

How? By dismantling our government? How do you teach kids about our institutions and simultaneously instruct them to dismantle them?

OH MY GOD KEEP GOING!! You’ve almost got it!

Their true intent comes out. These people who want CRT just want everything destroyed and rebuilt. They think they know they can create utopia. But it's all just a game to destroy lives.

I don’t “want” CRT. It just exists. It isn’t taught in schools. Surely you don’t actually think our current systems and government are … good? Hell yeah I want our kids to dismantle and reconstruct them. I want a better world for all our kids than this.

[Anonymous]

WTF is happening out in LoCo? Take your meds, people! Go outside and exercise!! You are NOT WELL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing with CRT.

The CNNs will tell you "they don't teach CTR in k-12, it's something they teach in law school" or "it's just teaching "real" history"

However, if you start looking at how CTR ideas are applied in school, I think you might question what exactly is being taught in schools - https://www.city-journal.org/christopher-rufo-on-woke-education

I feel like we already lost a lot of control over what our kids are exposed to. Very sexualized content starting as early as 5th grade and up. And now what I'm really concerned with is various children being taught that their "race" is something that might keep them down, no mater what they do.

If the system is racist, and you're black, well of course you'll fail! If you're white, you're definitely guilty of getting an upper hand in society, even if you aren't aware of it!

Then there's the, "if you don't think you're racist or America is racist, then YOU have white fragility!"

Do you see these circular arguments and negative implications of all of this CTR based language will lead to?

YOU ARE GOING TO CREATE MORE RACISTS BECAUSE OF YOUR FOCUS ON RACE!!!

My biggest concern is what type of a message is that for young children. They see a kid doing a fun thing at the park so they go to play with them. Now maybe with all this focus on race, they say, oh he's white/black...and that will be the first lense they view the world through.

Honestly this is rediculous to me, as an Asian. I feel bad for my white friends how they now are casted as evil (even with news articles saying Asian hate crimes are due to white supremacy?!) and I feel bad for my black friends, and especially their kids, who may now have an inferiority complex.

You guys might think these people are nuts, but there's a reason they are upset. I suggest you look into some of the emails and content being circulated and taught as assignments to your kids. You might be surprised and you might not like what you see.

Talking about race does not leads to creating racism. That IS what is ridiculous. Talking about it opens up conversations and hopefully forces us to address prejudices and hopefully make better choices in the future. And what a horrible thing to say that you think that black kids have a inferiority complex because of people addressing racism.

+1 Another Asian American married to a white person who agrees

The only people who don't want to talk about racism are those who probably have some latent racism and don't want to confront it. Ignoring it is easier.

Also, I stated earlier, some Asian Americans don't want to focus on this because it might lead to the path of returning to affirmative action in higher ed. That's their greatest fear.

[Anonymous]

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DP. We were able to see classes this past year. We could watch our kids' virtual classes and what was taught. And yes, there were some trial classes where the teaching was that White people are oppressors and colonizers.

Teachers may not intend to divide the students against each other. But that's the effect.

I’m very curious about the context for this. Care to share?

What they saw was probably just a run of the mill history class that covered factual evidence about how white people (especially rich white males) have, in fact, used their systemic power to oppress others in order to preserve their own positional wealth and privilege. It’s not a secret that this happened and any child reading a thorough American history book will see the pattern for themselves.

Personally, I find it insulting that instead of wanting our children to have a thorough understanding of our history (good bad and otherwise), some people are willing to literally demand censorship. Our kids are not dumb. They also have access to the internet. They’re going to figure it out at some point regardless of what they learn in school.

It’s the framing of history almost exclusively through a racial lens biased against Whites that is unacceptable, unless accompanied by information also pointing out how other societies have also protected the interests of those in other dominant racial and ethnic groups. Critical pedagogy as being implemented now is largely about demonizing White and “White-adjacent” groups for the not-so-subtle purpose of stripping Whites and Asians of power and financial resources. That’s not history; it’s politics.

So, let me get this straight - in an American history class, it's OK to accurately describe the ways in which whites oppressed minorities in the US, as long as we include discussion of other countries where racial majorities also oppressed minorities? "So, yeah, whites in the US were bad, but really lots of people were bad around the world, so it's no big deal."

Aren't you embarrassed to have written something so dumb? You tried to dress it up, but it really didn't help.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps some Asian Americans need to start with a topic that is close to home?
Read Edward Said's Orientalism. It is the Western white power structures that created Asians and Middle Easterns as unable to govern, barbaric, and in need of civilized governance...so they can exploit you and your land, labor, and goods you and your lands produced.
If white people understand this and you stand by them and support those that know just how their white Western civilization employed you and you still live in the power structure they created, where they see you as less than human as well, maybe you will say "hey, that's not right! We need different power structures around much of the world!"
Imagine an Indian supporting British Colonial Empire? But, many did, because they bought into the dominant narrative!

[Anonymous]

Scary county.

[Anonymous]

Lots of people want to white wash our history. To be fair, lots of other countries do the same thing. It's never pleasant to confront ugliness.

[Anonymous]

Idiots show up at board meetings. Then go on FOX news and repeat their complete moronic racist stand.

And I am sure their behavior at the board meeting should be modeled by other parents and children everywhere?


They don't know what the H they are talking about. Their children will grow up as stupid as they are.

[Anonymous]

Who in Africa sold the slaves?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who in Africa sold the slaves?

Again. No one is saying tribal leaders didn't sell slaves. As I explained above this counted for 350k or do of the 4 million slaves in America. The vast majority of American slaves were born in America and into slavery. A

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The American economy was fully dependant on slaves. They were the collateral for bank loans. Cotton was an economy that created the quota system here. Without the slaves, there would be no Superpower U.S. Land was not worth much, so as I said, collateral were the slaves. Plantation owners took loans to buy more slaves. The world stocks, many, were in slaves. In the 1830s, with the collapse of the cotton trade, the economy collapsed in the U.S. What was done about it? Nothing. Well, then the Civil War happened...
Slaves were brutally punished if they did not meet their daily quota of cotton picking. To this day, we have remnants of this capitalist "work ethic." When you see your boss who is unhappy with your productivity, that is a call back to when slaves were punished. When slaves overproduced, that led to their quota increasing and possible punishment the next day if the new quota was not met.
Do you know that rather than treat African Americans from chickenpox, the city ordered the hospital burned? In Congress, it was openly debated that there is no need to cure and waste resources on African Americans, as they were clearly vastly inferior and not suited for life in the States, and hence were dying out, and that was the best course faction, to let them die out.
Do you know that there was an AA man who looked white and his life was being saved by white doctors in a white hospital? But, when his family showed up it became clear that he was not white....so they stopped treating him, and sent him to a colored hospital where he died soon after that.
Is any of this taught in U.S. public or private schools?