Diversity, equity, inclusion but not for Jews?

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Anonymous wrote:OP you should really just put your phone down and get some fresh air. You’re doing your cause no favors.

Yep

I’m sure you’re thrilled that you can use this thread as an excuse to ignore anti-Semitism.

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Anonymous wrote:OP you should really just put your phone down and get some fresh air. You’re doing your cause no favors.

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I’m sure you’re thrilled that you can use this thread as an excuse to ignore anti-Semitism.

If that’s how you feel then that’s how you feel. Good luck jumping to conclusions.

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

+1. Not an option for many other minority groups.

A lot of people -- Jews and non-Jews -- don't realize how much anti-Semitism and discrimination there was in this country right up to the 80s or so. In the 50s, there were absolutely prohibitions against Jews swimming in certain pools, buying in certain areas, attending certain schools -- the Ivies had Jew quotas. Somewhere after the late 60s we became accepted as "white" and "blending into the greater white demographic." I was born in 1980 and basically grew up not experiencing any direct anti-Semitism. My parents and grandparents all have stories of being asked about horns or being called "dirty Jew" or being asked if they were really good with money. I don't.

I know it’s not an option for other groups, but that doesn’t mean we are able to blend in without problems. I posted the stats above of anti-Semitic hate crimes; they are very scary.

I was told that I killed Jesus when I was 7. I’ve been told I’m going to hell so many times.

I’ve gotten used to my synagogue having security presence. It’s not ok that we need to do that to stay safe while we pray.

I am not Jewish, and you don’t know how many times I have been told I was going to hell. Try growing up in a Baptist church and forced to watch the “Burning Hell” movie multiple times.

Have you been told your people killed Jesus?

No I have not. However, I have been told that my people are forever cursed by God because of some dude named Ham, and that Jesus cannot save us from the curse. That’s religion for you.

So what are you saying? That we don’t have it that bad because people have said fked up things to you too?

I don’t understand why you can’t just be an ally for us.

I actually am, believe it or not. I am just saying, don't let so-called Christians turn you upside down and inside out with their hell and brim fire speeches. Everybody except them are going to hell. Everybody except them are blessed.

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

+1. Not an option for many other minority groups.

A lot of people -- Jews and non-Jews -- don't realize how much anti-Semitism and discrimination there was in this country right up to the 80s or so. In the 50s, there were absolutely prohibitions against Jews swimming in certain pools, buying in certain areas, attending certain schools -- the Ivies had Jew quotas. Somewhere after the late 60s we became accepted as "white" and "blending into the greater white demographic." I was born in 1980 and basically grew up not experiencing any direct anti-Semitism. My parents and grandparents all have stories of being asked about horns or being called "dirty Jew" or being asked if they were really good with money. I don't.

I know it’s not an option for other groups, but that doesn’t mean we are able to blend in without problems. I posted the stats above of anti-Semitic hate crimes; they are very scary.

I was told that I killed Jesus when I was 7. I’ve been told I’m going to hell so many times.

I’ve gotten used to my synagogue having security presence. It’s not ok that we need to do that to stay safe while we pray.

I am not Jewish, and you don’t know how many times I have been told I was going to hell. Try growing up in a Baptist church and forced to watch the “Burning Hell” movie multiple times.

Have you been told your people killed Jesus?

No I have not. However, I have been told that my people are forever cursed by God because of some dude named Ham, and that Jesus cannot save us from the curse. That’s religion for you.

So what are you saying? That we don’t have it that bad because people have said fked up things to you too?

I don’t understand why you can’t just be an ally for us.

I actually am, believe it or not. I am just saying, don't let so-called Christians turn you upside down and inside out with their hell and brim fire speeches. Everybody except them are going to hell. Everybody except them are blessed.

Sure. Problem is when the “Jews killed Jesus” thing gets us killed.

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Wow. This is the problem. Not all groups are injured in the same way and if you’re angry that BLM has dominated the conversation you’re part of the problem. They’ve got police kneeling on their necks. But what about me, rt? Just gross

Only one group matters. We know.

And you wonder why there's so much lack of unity between races and ethnic groups? This right here. If you think that Jewish Americans occupy the same space in society and marginalization as African Americans in this country, you have been blinded by your white privilege.
When were black people shoved into ovens and gassed? And you cutely limited your tragedy Olympics to “this country,” but no one has suffered more than Jews, and many Jews here were descended from Holocaust survivors. And the way they overcame it all and succeeded through education, hard work and achievement is pretty amazing.

DP: Either you’re trolling, or you’re blithely oblivious to the histories of Native Americans and Black Americans in the US. Maybe do a search for pictures of white people having picnics while Blacks were lynched. Then maybe note how education and hard work are rewarded far far less in Black communities compared to similar and even far less attainments for whites. You’re certainly right about the accomplishments of Jewish Americans being “pretty amazing “. What your leaving out is even a modicum of attention and thought regarding factors that have supported those achievements.

In any event:

tldr: I call TROLL.

Took yall long enough. I figured it was a troll(s) about five pages back.

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What factors supported the achievement of Jews? I understand the factors that have put BIPOC people in a horrible spot, but what factors actively helped Jews, other than the skin color of most Ashenazi Jews?

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Anonymous wrote:What factors supported the achievement of Jews? I understand the factors that have put BIPOC people in a horrible spot, but what factors actively helped Jews, other than the skin color of most Ashenazi Jews?

And I’ll add, that skin color does not explain why most Jews are more financially successful than white people overall.

I’ll also add our financial success helped us not one whit in Germany in the 1930s.

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Anonymous wrote:What factors supported the achievement of Jews? I understand the factors that have put BIPOC people in a horrible spot, but what factors actively helped Jews, other than the skin color of most Ashenazi Jews?

That’s a pretty significant “other than”, at least in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:What factors supported the achievement of Jews? I understand the factors that have put BIPOC people in a horrible spot, but what factors actively helped Jews, other than the skin color of most Ashenazi Jews?

That’s a pretty significant “other than”, at least in the US.

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If you think Jews feel enough discomfort among the majority (white) in this country, think about how other minorities go through life, walking outside, socializing, networking, etc. looking like a visible minority every day no matter their life choices (such as not changing names or not talking about certain aspects of their life like religion).

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Anonymous wrote:What factors supported the achievement of Jews? I understand the factors that have put BIPOC people in a horrible spot, but what factors actively helped Jews, other than the skin color of most Ashenazi Jews?

That’s a pretty significant “other than”, at least in the US.

It doesn’t explain why we outperform other people with that skin tone.

So I still want to know what factors support our accomplishments.

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Anonymous wrote:What factors supported the achievement of Jews? I understand the factors that have put BIPOC people in a horrible spot, but what factors actively helped Jews, other than the skin color of most Ashenazi Jews?

That’s a pretty significant “other than”, at least in the US.

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If you think Jews feel enough discomfort among the majority (white) in this country, think about how other minorities go through life, walking outside, socializing, networking, etc. looking like a visible minority every day no matter their life choices (such as not changing names or not talking about certain aspects of their life like religion).

None of that helped us in 1930s Germany.

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I worked at a federal agency where a couple of the gentlemen in the office I worked in openly shared vile hateful antisemitic thoughts, referring to Jewish people as “termites”, “hidden Jews”, “fake Jews”, claiming that Jewish people are not the true descendants of the biblical Israelites, etc. All this in the open!!! Leadership was made aware on numerous occasions and did nothing to discipline these employees for some reason. I left when this became apparent, as did others. The work environment was so toxic that the office was eventually broken up. Open vile antisemitism is more pervasive than many admit and still passively tolerated for some reason.

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Anonymous wrote:The point isn’t about who has it worse nor is it to take away the very real anti-Asian and broader racist activities happening. It’s highlighting that despite the fact that Antisemitism makes up, per capita, a large percentage of hat crimes and that folks in Charlottesville and at the Capitol were spewing direct antisemitism rhetoric (“6 million wasn’t enough”) folks think that because Jews appear “better off,” antisemitism isn’t worthy of discussion. That’s the problem.

Yep! And this thread only proves the point.

This thread proves that hijacking the discussion of the slaughter of Asian women to say “what about me?” is in poor taste.

Tell us when it’s ok to fight anti-semitism.

Also, where was the discussion after the Tree of Life shooting?

It’s always ok to fight anti-semitism. But maybe, just maybe you can wait for the families to bury their dead and mourn their loss. Hell, maybe even wait an actual week.

The point is, there’s never time for us.

There’s always a reason. If I wait a week and ask again, you’ll have another excuse.

Then try it and let’s see. In the meantime, Asian hate crimes are on the rise and a horrific shooting in Atlanta took place this week. Maybe ask why this had to happen.

Anti-Semitic hate crimes have been going up for the past 4 years. We’ve been talking about it. You haven’t been listening.

So basically, forget the Asian community and the Atlanta shooting. Anti Semitic crimes need to be discussed right now. Asian community can mourn later. Now is the time to talk about Amit semitism.

Wow you really don’t get it.

At least you’re worrying about Asians now. For a long time, they were a model minority you didn’t give a shit about.

So at least we’ve made that progress.

+1. For the past year, the SJWs wouldn’t let us care about anyone but black people. Now, they’ve expanded that to include Asians.

Wow. This is the problem. Not all groups are injured in the same way and if you’re angry that BLM has dominated the conversation you’re part of the problem. They’ve got police kneeling on their necks. But what about me, rt? Just gross

Only one group matters. We know.

And you wonder why there's so much lack of unity between races and ethnic groups? This right here. If you think that Jewish Americans occupy the same space in society and marginalization as African Americans in this country, you have been blinded by your white privilege.

When were black people shoved into ovens and gassed? And you cutely limited your tragedy Olympics to “this country,” but no one has suffered more than Jews, and many Jews here were descended from Holocaust survivors. And the way they overcame it all and succeeded through education, hard work and achievement is pretty amazing.

Hold up now. Black slaves were put on ships to vomit on each other, thrown overboard to drown, beat into submission, whipped in public, families sold in public at auction, removed from their families even when they were suppose to be free, had to carry papers, hung from trees, made to fight each other like pit bulls, raped, forced to carry to children that were the product of rape, put in hot boxes as punishment, not able to bathe while they worked in the fields, hosed, gunned down, shot on sight, etc. The list goes on and on. Also keeping in mind that 14 year old Emmet Till was the 40s, Ruby Bridges was the 60s, MLK was the late 60s.

Indeed. No one in this country has suffered more than African Americans and Native Americans. But no one in the world, over the course of human history, had suffered more than the Jews. Discriminated against, ghettoized, pogrom-ed...

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Anonymous wrote:I worked at a federal agency where a couple of the gentlemen in the office I worked in openly shared vile hateful antisemitic thoughts, referring to Jewish people as “termites”, “hidden Jews”, “fake Jews”, claiming that Jewish people are not the true descendants of the biblical Israelites, etc. All this in the open!!! Leadership was made aware on numerous occasions and did nothing to discipline these employees for some reason. I left when this became apparent, as did others. The work environment was so toxic that the office was eventually broken up. Open vile antisemitism is more pervasive than many admit and still passively tolerated for some reason.

My god.

Was this recent? What agency?

I need to make sure I never, ever work there.

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Anonymous wrote:The point isn’t about who has it worse nor is it to take away the very real anti-Asian and broader racist activities happening. It’s highlighting that despite the fact that Antisemitism makes up, per capita, a large percentage of hat crimes and that folks in Charlottesville and at the Capitol were spewing direct antisemitism rhetoric (“6 million wasn’t enough”) folks think that because Jews appear “better off,” antisemitism isn’t worthy of discussion. That’s the problem.

Yep! And this thread only proves the point.

This thread proves that hijacking the discussion of the slaughter of Asian women to say “what about me?” is in poor taste.

Tell us when it’s ok to fight anti-semitism.

Also, where was the discussion after the Tree of Life shooting?

It’s always ok to fight anti-semitism. But maybe, just maybe you can wait for the families to bury their dead and mourn their loss. Hell, maybe even wait an actual week.

The point is, there’s never time for us.

There’s always a reason. If I wait a week and ask again, you’ll have another excuse.

Then try it and let’s see. In the meantime, Asian hate crimes are on the rise and a horrific shooting in Atlanta took place this week. Maybe ask why this had to happen.

Anti-Semitic hate crimes have been going up for the past 4 years. We’ve been talking about it. You haven’t been listening.

So basically, forget the Asian community and the Atlanta shooting. Anti Semitic crimes need to be discussed right now. Asian community can mourn later. Now is the time to talk about Amit semitism.

Wow you really don’t get it.

At least you’re worrying about Asians now. For a long time, they were a model minority you didn’t give a shit about.

So at least we’ve made that progress.

+1. For the past year, the SJWs wouldn’t let us care about anyone but black people. Now, they’ve expanded that to include Asians.

Wow. This is the problem. Not all groups are injured in the same way and if you’re angry that BLM has dominated the conversation you’re part of the problem. They’ve got police kneeling on their necks. But what about me, rt? Just gross

Only one group matters. We know.

And you wonder why there's so much lack of unity between races and ethnic groups? This right here. If you think that Jewish Americans occupy the same space in society and marginalization as African Americans in this country, you have been blinded by your white privilege.

When were black people shoved into ovens and gassed? And you cutely limited your tragedy Olympics to “this country,” but no one has suffered more than Jews, and many Jews here were descended from Holocaust survivors. And the way they overcame it all and succeeded through education, hard work and achievement is pretty amazing.

Hold up now. Black slaves were put on ships to vomit on each other, thrown overboard to drown, beat into submission, whipped in public, families sold in public at auction, removed from their families even when they were suppose to be free, had to carry papers, hung from trees, made to fight each other like pit bulls, raped, forced to carry to children that were the product of rape, put in hot boxes as punishment, not able to bathe while they worked in the fields, hosed, gunned down, shot on sight, etc. The list goes on and on. Also keeping in mind that 14 year old Emmet Till was the 40s, Ruby Bridges was the 60s, MLK was the late 60s.

Indeed. No one in this country has suffered more than African Americans and Native Americans. But no one in the world, over the course of human history, had suffered more than the Jews. Discriminated against, ghettoized, pogrom-ed...

Indeed.

People need to recognize that the word “ghetto” is Italian and came from the Venetian Ghetto—the walled-off part of the city where Jews were forced to live.