Schools back in-person in 2022 due to mass-vaccine

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Anonymous wrote:To everyone considering moving to a red area: you're at least moving AFTER the election, right? It seems a bit unfair to move somewhere because of their policies and then try to change the philosophy and policies that you moved there for.

There are Democrat or mixed areas that are also opening schools. The politics don't matter.

They actually do, per a study out of Brown: https://www.edworkingpapers.com/sites/default/files/ai20-304.pdf

NYC is liberal and open. Red states are not open because they value education, but because they refuse to acknowledge scientific realities.

And what "scientific realities" are those? The fact is that schools throughout the country have reopened safely. It can be done with proper mitigation measures. That is the scientific reality. So I'd argue that it is the blue states that refuse to acknowledge scientific realities and have given it to irrational fear and hatred of Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:To everyone considering moving to a red area: you're at least moving AFTER the election, right? It seems a bit unfair to move somewhere because of their policies and then try to change the philosophy and policies that you moved there for.

There are Democrat or mixed areas that are also opening schools. The politics don't matter.

They actually do, per a study out of Brown: https://www.edworkingpapers.com/sites/default/files/ai20-304.pdf

NYC is liberal and open. Red states are not open because they value education, but because they refuse to acknowledge scientific realities.

And what "scientific realities" are those? The fact is that schools throughout the country have reopened safely. It can be done with proper mitigation measures. That is the scientific reality. So I'd argue that it is the blue states that refuse to acknowledge scientific realities and have given it to irrational fear and hatred of Trump.

The fact is some of them are also closing as well.

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Anonymous wrote:(And I do realize 2:28 is a troll. I'm just curious what they'll say.)

I don't think they are a troll because I didn't write that post but I wholly agree. You -do- have to plan for emergencies. Granted the pandemic was unforeseeable; however school shutdowns have occurred because of the flu or fire or other circumstances. You're a dumb and careless parent if you don't consider your backup plan for that. Or if your childcare falls through unexpectedly.

In the case of the pandemic, I don't think anyone could have predicted the spring circumstances a year prior; however, this fall was completely predictable. In April and May members of my friends and family group began talking about what we would do if school didn't reopen in-person in the fall.

Just because you're an ostrich with its head in the sand doesn't mean the rest of us were or are. If you're scrambling right now, the end of October, because of your ineptitude and failure to anticipate what you needed to do to support DL for your kids then that's on you for not being a good parent and caretaker of your child/ren, special needs or otherwise.

Schools don't shut down for 1+ years. They didn't for past pandemics, wars or national disasters. When I was growing up my high school was destroyed by a tornado. We were back in classrooms a month later after they found alternative space for us and power was restored to most of the town. Shutting schools down indefinitely is unprecedented.

How do you prepare for this? Really, how? I've been trying get him into private therapy programs. But, half of them are still shut down (or virtual), and the other half are overbooked. Which absolutely makes sense, since I'm sure I'm not the only person seeking extra private therapy to make up for the loss of SPED programs.

So we've got child care taken care of. If for some reason my current provider fell through I have a list of alternatives. When it comes to child care, I'm confident that I could deal with nearly any foreseeable outcome. What I can't deal with, though, is a broad shutdown of educational services in the county for an extended- and indefinite- period of time.

Where did either of those two earlier posters go? The ones telling me I should have foreseen having an autistic child during a pandemic. I'd really like to know how I could have planned for this better. Apparently a lot of people could benefit from their insights, given that I'm told ABA therapists are being slammed with requests in Montgomery County and they're not able to accommodate the demand.

I'm back. I've had a busy day. Here is what you should have done: line up support. Why weren't you contacting MoCo in April and May about what was happening? Why weren't you calling your insurance about coverage for therapists in June and July and August? Why weren't you working with other parents of SPED kids for a pod? Why weren't you working with your employer to rearrange your schedule so that you could be more present during the day for your kid? Why didn't you work with the school to establish a set of core classes that your child will attend and classes that he may or may not depending on your day?

You seem to have copious amounts of time to spend here on DCUM complaining but I don't see you saying anything about what you have actually done. Cry me a river and I'll build a boat for me and my kid because I planned ahead while you didn't. As far as I can tell what you have done is...NOTHING. Get your act together and start being a better parent.

How would I have lined up ABA therapy before he had an autism diagnosis?

I've got a flexible job, but having a flexible schedule doesn't mean I can go a year without working during business hours, since my job involves public interaction. My wife is a provider at a hospital, so she has almost no flexibility in her schedule. And even separate from that, there's not enough hours in the day to do what you're describing, also do a full-time job, and also sleep.

And a "pod," in general, isn't going to work well for an autistic preschooler. He's already in a very small daycare, but he clearly needs special services because he hasn't picked up any words in the last 6 months (hence the visit to the developmental pediatrician, which itself took forever to get in).

But by all means, keep feeling smug. Hopefully karma's a bitch.

Huh. How did he get a diagnosis from March until now? I think you're just another idiot who knows nothing about it trying to stir the pot. You get what you deserve, baby.

The same way as everyone else: he saw a developmental pediatrician. You do realize doctors offices, and much of society in general, have been open for months now, right?

Did you really think doctors offices were still closed? They're open- it can just be hard to get in to a specialist these days.

You hire a nanny or ABA therapist or both. Your insurance should pay for services with an ASD diagnosis. Your child is three. Thats far easier than a child a few years older with DL and yet we all make it work. You realize many of us have SN kids.

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2,000+ new cases today alone in NY.

Yes, we’re not NY. But, the country is heading into a crazy winter and we are going to see a lot of leaves/resignations when hybrid model begins to provide the necessary climate for outbreaks to spread.

Covid is out of control.

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Boston is shutting schools. My small midwestern hometown is online.

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Anonymous wrote:(And I do realize 2:28 is a troll. I'm just curious what they'll say.)

I don't think they are a troll because I didn't write that post but I wholly agree. You -do- have to plan for emergencies. Granted the pandemic was unforeseeable; however school shutdowns have occurred because of the flu or fire or other circumstances. You're a dumb and careless parent if you don't consider your backup plan for that. Or if your childcare falls through unexpectedly.

In the case of the pandemic, I don't think anyone could have predicted the spring circumstances a year prior; however, this fall was completely predictable. In April and May members of my friends and family group began talking about what we would do if school didn't reopen in-person in the fall.

Just because you're an ostrich with its head in the sand doesn't mean the rest of us were or are. If you're scrambling right now, the end of October, because of your ineptitude and failure to anticipate what you needed to do to support DL for your kids then that's on you for not being a good parent and caretaker of your child/ren, special needs or otherwise.

Schools don't shut down for 1+ years. They didn't for past pandemics, wars or national disasters. When I was growing up my high school was destroyed by a tornado. We were back in classrooms a month later after they found alternative space for us and power was restored to most of the town. Shutting schools down indefinitely is unprecedented.

How do you prepare for this? Really, how? I've been trying get him into private therapy programs. But, half of them are still shut down (or virtual), and the other half are overbooked. Which absolutely makes sense, since I'm sure I'm not the only person seeking extra private therapy to make up for the loss of SPED programs.

So we've got child care taken care of. If for some reason my current provider fell through I have a list of alternatives. When it comes to child care, I'm confident that I could deal with nearly any foreseeable outcome. What I can't deal with, though, is a broad shutdown of educational services in the county for an extended- and indefinite- period of time.

Where did either of those two earlier posters go? The ones telling me I should have foreseen having an autistic child during a pandemic. I'd really like to know how I could have planned for this better. Apparently a lot of people could benefit from their insights, given that I'm told ABA therapists are being slammed with requests in Montgomery County and they're not able to accommodate the demand.

I'm back. I've had a busy day. Here is what you should have done: line up support. Why weren't you contacting MoCo in April and May about what was happening? Why weren't you calling your insurance about coverage for therapists in June and July and August? Why weren't you working with other parents of SPED kids for a pod? Why weren't you working with your employer to rearrange your schedule so that you could be more present during the day for your kid? Why didn't you work with the school to establish a set of core classes that your child will attend and classes that he may or may not depending on your day?

You seem to have copious amounts of time to spend here on DCUM complaining but I don't see you saying anything about what you have actually done. Cry me a river and I'll build a boat for me and my kid because I planned ahead while you didn't. As far as I can tell what you have done is...NOTHING. Get your act together and start being a better parent.

How would I have lined up ABA therapy before he had an autism diagnosis?

I've got a flexible job, but having a flexible schedule doesn't mean I can go a year without working during business hours, since my job involves public interaction. My wife is a provider at a hospital, so she has almost no flexibility in her schedule. And even separate from that, there's not enough hours in the day to do what you're describing, also do a full-time job, and also sleep.

And a "pod," in general, isn't going to work well for an autistic preschooler. He's already in a very small daycare, but he clearly needs special services because he hasn't picked up any words in the last 6 months (hence the visit to the developmental pediatrician, which itself took forever to get in).

But by all means, keep feeling smug. Hopefully karma's a bitch.

Huh. How did he get a diagnosis from March until now? I think you're just another idiot who knows nothing about it trying to stir the pot. You get what you deserve, baby.

The same way as everyone else: he saw a developmental pediatrician. You do realize doctors offices, and much of society in general, have been open for months now, right?

Did you really think doctors offices were still closed? They're open- it can just be hard to get in to a specialist these days.

You hire a nanny or ABA therapist or both. Your insurance should pay for services with an ASD diagnosis. Your child is three. Thats far easier than a child a few years older with DL and yet we all make it work. You realize many of us have SN kids.

Didn't you see my earlier comment before about ABA therapists being overbooked? They say there's been a tremendous increase in demand for services in Montgomery county over the last month, presumably because SPED programs aren't open.

I think it was that comment that had you start harping on me for being unprepared, because somehow I was supposed to know ahead of time that he'd get diagnosed with ASD and that services wouldn't be available.

And most are saying they won't go into daycares, which arguably isn't even allowed by MoCo's reopening rules. So if you've got a job because, you know, things like health insurance and money for thousands of dollars in therapy copays are kind of important, then too bad for you.

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By the way, your proposed solution to simply "hire a nanny" is telling about how desperately out-of-touch you are.

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Anonymous wrote:(And I do realize 2:28 is a troll. I'm just curious what they'll say.)

I don't think they are a troll because I didn't write that post but I wholly agree. You -do- have to plan for emergencies. Granted the pandemic was unforeseeable; however school shutdowns have occurred because of the flu or fire or other circumstances. You're a dumb and careless parent if you don't consider your backup plan for that. Or if your childcare falls through unexpectedly.

In the case of the pandemic, I don't think anyone could have predicted the spring circumstances a year prior; however, this fall was completely predictable. In April and May members of my friends and family group began talking about what we would do if school didn't reopen in-person in the fall.

Just because you're an ostrich with its head in the sand doesn't mean the rest of us were or are. If you're scrambling right now, the end of October, because of your ineptitude and failure to anticipate what you needed to do to support DL for your kids then that's on you for not being a good parent and caretaker of your child/ren, special needs or otherwise.

Schools don't shut down for 1+ years. They didn't for past pandemics, wars or national disasters. When I was growing up my high school was destroyed by a tornado. We were back in classrooms a month later after they found alternative space for us and power was restored to most of the town. Shutting schools down indefinitely is unprecedented.

How do you prepare for this? Really, how? I've been trying get him into private therapy programs. But, half of them are still shut down (or virtual), and the other half are overbooked. Which absolutely makes sense, since I'm sure I'm not the only person seeking extra private therapy to make up for the loss of SPED programs.

So we've got child care taken care of. If for some reason my current provider fell through I have a list of alternatives. When it comes to child care, I'm confident that I could deal with nearly any foreseeable outcome. What I can't deal with, though, is a broad shutdown of educational services in the county for an extended- and indefinite- period of time.

Where did either of those two earlier posters go? The ones telling me I should have foreseen having an autistic child during a pandemic. I'd really like to know how I could have planned for this better. Apparently a lot of people could benefit from their insights, given that I'm told ABA therapists are being slammed with requests in Montgomery County and they're not able to accommodate the demand.

I'm back. I've had a busy day. Here is what you should have done: line up support. Why weren't you contacting MoCo in April and May about what was happening? Why weren't you calling your insurance about coverage for therapists in June and July and August? Why weren't you working with other parents of SPED kids for a pod? Why weren't you working with your employer to rearrange your schedule so that you could be more present during the day for your kid? Why didn't you work with the school to establish a set of core classes that your child will attend and classes that he may or may not depending on your day?

You seem to have copious amounts of time to spend here on DCUM complaining but I don't see you saying anything about what you have actually done. Cry me a river and I'll build a boat for me and my kid because I planned ahead while you didn't. As far as I can tell what you have done is...NOTHING. Get your act together and start being a better parent.

How would I have lined up ABA therapy before he had an autism diagnosis?

I've got a flexible job, but having a flexible schedule doesn't mean I can go a year without working during business hours, since my job involves public interaction. My wife is a provider at a hospital, so she has almost no flexibility in her schedule. And even separate from that, there's not enough hours in the day to do what you're describing, also do a full-time job, and also sleep.

And a "pod," in general, isn't going to work well for an autistic preschooler. He's already in a very small daycare, but he clearly needs special services because he hasn't picked up any words in the last 6 months (hence the visit to the developmental pediatrician, which itself took forever to get in).

But by all means, keep feeling smug. Hopefully karma's a bitch.

Huh. How did he get a diagnosis from March until now? I think you're just another idiot who knows nothing about it trying to stir the pot. You get what you deserve, baby.

The same way as everyone else: he saw a developmental pediatrician. You do realize doctors offices, and much of society in general, have been open for months now, right?

Did you really think doctors offices were still closed? They're open- it can just be hard to get in to a specialist these days.

You hire a nanny or ABA therapist or both. Your insurance should pay for services with an ASD diagnosis. Your child is three. Thats far easier than a child a few years older with DL and yet we all make it work. You realize many of us have SN kids.

NP here but what did you mean by you get what you deserve? PP deserves a SN kid? Deserves to be struggling with meeting those needs? You sound like a cruel person.

And also can people PLEASE stop suggesting everyone just hire a nanny?!?! It is incredibly expensive and most people can not afford it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(And I do realize 2:28 is a troll. I'm just curious what they'll say.)

I don't think they are a troll because I didn't write that post but I wholly agree. You -do- have to plan for emergencies. Granted the pandemic was unforeseeable; however school shutdowns have occurred because of the flu or fire or other circumstances. You're a dumb and careless parent if you don't consider your backup plan for that. Or if your childcare falls through unexpectedly.

In the case of the pandemic, I don't think anyone could have predicted the spring circumstances a year prior; however, this fall was completely predictable. In April and May members of my friends and family group began talking about what we would do if school didn't reopen in-person in the fall.

Just because you're an ostrich with its head in the sand doesn't mean the rest of us were or are. If you're scrambling right now, the end of October, because of your ineptitude and failure to anticipate what you needed to do to support DL for your kids then that's on you for not being a good parent and caretaker of your child/ren, special needs or otherwise.

Schools don't shut down for 1+ years. They didn't for past pandemics, wars or national disasters. When I was growing up my high school was destroyed by a tornado. We were back in classrooms a month later after they found alternative space for us and power was restored to most of the town. Shutting schools down indefinitely is unprecedented.

How do you prepare for this? Really, how? I've been trying get him into private therapy programs. But, half of them are still shut down (or virtual), and the other half are overbooked. Which absolutely makes sense, since I'm sure I'm not the only person seeking extra private therapy to make up for the loss of SPED programs.

So we've got child care taken care of. If for some reason my current provider fell through I have a list of alternatives. When it comes to child care, I'm confident that I could deal with nearly any foreseeable outcome. What I can't deal with, though, is a broad shutdown of educational services in the county for an extended- and indefinite- period of time.

Where did either of those two earlier posters go? The ones telling me I should have foreseen having an autistic child during a pandemic. I'd really like to know how I could have planned for this better. Apparently a lot of people could benefit from their insights, given that I'm told ABA therapists are being slammed with requests in Montgomery County and they're not able to accommodate the demand.

I'm back. I've had a busy day. Here is what you should have done: line up support. Why weren't you contacting MoCo in April and May about what was happening? Why weren't you calling your insurance about coverage for therapists in June and July and August? Why weren't you working with other parents of SPED kids for a pod? Why weren't you working with your employer to rearrange your schedule so that you could be more present during the day for your kid? Why didn't you work with the school to establish a set of core classes that your child will attend and classes that he may or may not depending on your day?

You seem to have copious amounts of time to spend here on DCUM complaining but I don't see you saying anything about what you have actually done. Cry me a river and I'll build a boat for me and my kid because I planned ahead while you didn't. As far as I can tell what you have done is...NOTHING. Get your act together and start being a better parent.

How would I have lined up ABA therapy before he had an autism diagnosis?

I've got a flexible job, but having a flexible schedule doesn't mean I can go a year without working during business hours, since my job involves public interaction. My wife is a provider at a hospital, so she has almost no flexibility in her schedule. And even separate from that, there's not enough hours in the day to do what you're describing, also do a full-time job, and also sleep.

And a "pod," in general, isn't going to work well for an autistic preschooler. He's already in a very small daycare, but he clearly needs special services because he hasn't picked up any words in the last 6 months (hence the visit to the developmental pediatrician, which itself took forever to get in).

But by all means, keep feeling smug. Hopefully karma's a bitch.

Huh. How did he get a diagnosis from March until now? I think you're just another idiot who knows nothing about it trying to stir the pot. You get what you deserve, baby.

The same way as everyone else: he saw a developmental pediatrician. You do realize doctors offices, and much of society in general, have been open for months now, right?

Did you really think doctors offices were still closed? They're open- it can just be hard to get in to a specialist these days.

You hire a nanny or ABA therapist or both. Your insurance should pay for services with an ASD diagnosis. Your child is three. Thats far easier than a child a few years older with DL and yet we all make it work. You realize many of us have SN kids.

NP here but what did you mean by you get what you deserve? PP deserves a SN kid? Deserves to be struggling with meeting those needs? You sound like a cruel person.

And also can people PLEASE stop suggesting everyone just hire a nanny?!?! It is incredibly expensive and most people can not afford it.

There are multiple posters on here. I would never say you get what you deserve. We couldn't hire a nanny, so I quit my job and my spouse got a second job to help cover the difference. I got exactly the kid I deserved. I gladly spent my days taking my child to therapies and my spouse worked really hard at two jobs to cover the costs (I offered to work nights and weekends but he declined) until he got a higher paying job. You do what you need to do, especially if you are a married couple. Its not on the school system to provide everything and if you are hoping they will, your child will be 18/out of school by the time they do. I don't know anyone whose kids got their needs met by the school system.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in another state. Our private school with about 500 kids PK-8 started in person with the option for DL in August. Approx. 20% of families, including us, chose DL. I really thought opening the school was a mistake and expected the school to be closed within a month. That didn’t happen. Earlier this month, we gave up on DL and sent our kids back after seeing (1) no outbreaks at school and (2) how much of a struggle DL was both from an educational and social standpoint. One of our kids was really getting depressed (and he’s the one who usually claims to hate school!). Going back has been life-changing for our whole family. DH and I can now get our own work done without interruptions and, most importantly, our kids are so happy. Gone are the days when we had to drag them out of bed to get them dressed for school. They have never been so excited about going. I’m sure it won’t last. However, I cannot imagine keeping them home until fall 2022.

Same here. We're in MD and our kids are in private (parochial school). Been open since end of August. Lots of precautions taken. Not a single outbreak. Our kids love it.

That’s because you are direct paying clients and because most families actually take some sort of precautions. Imagine a public school where the client is not the direct payee, plus so many kids from high infection rates populations.

And there are three times the kids per square foot.

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No one is going back any time soon. Read what the CDC is saying now: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/21/coronavirus-close-contact-cdc/

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Anonymous wrote:No one is going back any time soon. Read what the CDC is saying now: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/21/coronavirus-close-contact-cdc/

This makes no difference. If there was a positive case in a classroom under the old guidance, everyone in that classroom would have been warned.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is going back any time soon. Read what the CDC is saying now: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/21/coronavirus-close-contact-cdc/

This makes no difference. If there was a positive case in a classroom under the old guidance, everyone in that classroom would have been warned.

You’re lucky lying is free. Otherwise you wouldn’t be doing it thru yer ugly teeth.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is going back any time soon. Read what the CDC is saying now: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/21/coronavirus-close-contact-cdc/

This makes no difference. If there was a positive case in a classroom under the old guidance, everyone in that classroom would have been warned.

You’re lucky lying is free. Otherwise you wouldn’t be doing it thru yer ugly teeth.

I noticed you didn't actually say the earlier PP is wrong- you just attacked them instead. I suspect that was intentional, since we all know what they said is true.

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DS starts kindergarten next year and we are looking at parochial schools pretty seriously. I have no faith that public schools will be open here.

Heck my cousin postponed her wedding from Sept 2020 to Sept 2021 (in NE) and contrary to most of my relatives, I doubt that will happen either. I don’t see spring style shutdowns again, but I think we are largely in a holding pattern until not only widespread vaccine distribution, but until it really kicks in and brings down rates significantly.