Schools back in-person in 2022 due to mass-vaccine

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

And you should know based on your experience that someone claiming that no children in this country suffer any adversity because they haven’t experienced war or famine is clueless and wrong.

+1

That PP was shockingly awful. My God.

It is not shockingly awful to say that the “traumas of remote learning doesn’t compare to war or famine. That’s absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

And you should know based on your experience that someone claiming that no children in this country suffer any adversity because they haven’t experienced war or famine is clueless and wrong.

+1

That PP was shockingly awful. My God.

It is not shockingly awful to say that the “traumas of remote learning doesn’t compare to war or famine. That’s absurd.

DP. This is the exact quote, and yes, it is an awful thing to say:

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

And you should know based on your experience that someone claiming that no children in this country suffer any adversity because they haven’t experienced war or famine is clueless and wrong.

+1

That PP was shockingly awful. My God.

It is not shockingly awful to say that the “traumas of remote learning doesn’t compare to war or famine. That’s absurd.

DP. This is the exact quote, and yes, it is an awful thing to say:

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

I completely disagree. It is awful to compare the impact of online learning with living in an area with open warfare. To state that your child is facing anywhere near that level of trauma and devastation is delusional and offensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

And you should know based on your experience that someone claiming that no children in this country suffer any adversity because they haven’t experienced war or famine is clueless and wrong.

+1

That PP was shockingly awful. My God.

It is not shockingly awful to say that the “traumas of remote learning doesn’t compare to war or famine. That’s absurd.

DP. This is the exact quote, and yes, it is an awful thing to say:

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

I completely disagree. It is awful to compare the impact of online learning with living in an area with open warfare. To state that your child is facing anywhere near that level of trauma and devastation is delusional and offensive.

I haven't said anything like the bolded, and I would like you to provide me the exact quote where someone did that because I haven't seen a single post like that in this thread. Do you always exaggerate so wildly?

Meanwhile there is an exact quote that IS awful, though you seem set on defending it, maybe you wrote it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

And you should know based on your experience that someone claiming that no children in this country suffer any adversity because they haven’t experienced war or famine is clueless and wrong.

+1

That PP was shockingly awful. My God.

It is not shockingly awful to say that the “traumas of remote learning doesn’t compare to war or famine. That’s absurd.

DP. This is the exact quote, and yes, it is an awful thing to say:

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

I completely disagree. It is awful to compare the impact of online learning with living in an area with open warfare. To state that your child is facing anywhere near that level of trauma and devastation is delusional and offensive.

No one is saying that DL is comparable to war and famine. The smug, self-righteous “war refugee family” PP was stereotyping all American parents and kids as privileged and entitled and implying that none of them have experienced any real adversity (i.e., war or famine) and that they can’t handle experiencing a small little adversity like DL. Obviously, that is complete horsesh!t, as millions of American kids experience real adversity every day and DL really exacerbates most of those problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

And you should know based on your experience that someone claiming that no children in this country suffer any adversity because they haven’t experienced war or famine is clueless and wrong.

+1

That PP was shockingly awful. My God.

It is not shockingly awful to say that the “traumas of remote learning doesn’t compare to war or famine. That’s absurd.

DP. This is the exact quote, and yes, it is an awful thing to say:

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

I completely disagree. It is awful to compare the impact of online learning with living in an area with open warfare. To state that your child is facing anywhere near that level of trauma and devastation is delusional and offensive.

No one is saying that DL is comparable to war and famine. The smug, self-righteous “war refugee family” PP was stereotyping all American parents and kids as privileged and entitled and implying that none of them have experienced any real adversity (i.e., war or famine) and that they can’t handle experiencing a small little adversity like DL. Obviously, that is complete horsesh!t, as millions of American kids experience real adversity every day and DL really exacerbates most of those problems.

My God, none of you on either side can read. The pro-DL poster with the awful quote essentially imagined posts that aren't even in the thread (and has been asked for proof, which of course won't be forthcoming). Meanwhile the war refugee post is AGAINST the pro-DL people. The war refugee post supports your side, you dolt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

And you should know based on your experience that someone claiming that no children in this country suffer any adversity because they haven’t experienced war or famine is clueless and wrong.

+1

That PP was shockingly awful. My God.

It is not shockingly awful to say that the “traumas of remote learning doesn’t compare to war or famine. That’s absurd.

DP. This is the exact quote, and yes, it is an awful thing to say:

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

I completely disagree. It is awful to compare the impact of online learning with living in an area with open warfare. To state that your child is facing anywhere near that level of trauma and devastation is delusional and offensive.

No one is saying that DL is comparable to war and famine. The smug, self-righteous “war refugee family” PP was stereotyping all American parents and kids as privileged and entitled and implying that none of them have experienced any real adversity (i.e., war or famine) and that they can’t handle experiencing a small little adversity like DL. Obviously, that is complete horsesh!t, as millions of American kids experience real adversity every day and DL really exacerbates most of those problems.

My God, none of you on either side can read. The pro-DL poster with the awful quote essentially imagined posts that aren't even in the thread (and has been asked for proof, which of course won't be forthcoming). Meanwhile the war refugee post is AGAINST the pro-DL people. The war refugee post supports your side, you dolt.

You are the dolt. The point is not so much pro or anti DL as it is the war refugee family poster implying that Americans haven’t experienced adversity because there is no war or famine.

[Anonymous]

lordy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

And you should know based on your experience that someone claiming that no children in this country suffer any adversity because they haven’t experienced war or famine is clueless and wrong.

+1

That PP was shockingly awful. My God.

It is not shockingly awful to say that the “traumas of remote learning doesn’t compare to war or famine. That’s absurd.

DP. This is the exact quote, and yes, it is an awful thing to say:

No, it won’t. Kids survive famine and war and parents in the US can’t imagine their child having to survive the smallest adversity. It’s embarrassing.

I completely disagree. It is awful to compare the impact of online learning with living in an area with open warfare. To state that your child is facing anywhere near that level of trauma and devastation is delusional and offensive.

No one is saying that DL is comparable to war and famine. The smug, self-righteous “war refugee family” PP was stereotyping all American parents and kids as privileged and entitled and implying that none of them have experienced any real adversity (i.e., war or famine) and that they can’t handle experiencing a small little adversity like DL. Obviously, that is complete horsesh!t, as millions of American kids experience real adversity every day and DL really exacerbates most of those problems.

My God, none of you on either side can read. The pro-DL poster with the awful quote essentially imagined posts that aren't even in the thread (and has been asked for proof, which of course won't be forthcoming). Meanwhile the war refugee post is AGAINST the pro-DL people. The war refugee post supports your side, you dolt.

You are the dolt. The point is not so much pro or anti DL as it is the war refugee family poster implying that Americans haven’t experienced adversity because there is no war or famine.

You ... can't read. Go read the exact posts again. Lord.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

It's completely reasonable to expect to have the earn the trust of disadvantaged communities after failing them for so long. That they're saying they won't be the first to go back doesn't mean that they won't go back. Some will want to see evidence that schools have operate safely. The most convincing evidence is to demonstrate it.

That at-risk students often won't be among the first back is not an excuse to do nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

It's completely reasonable to expect to have the earn the trust of disadvantaged communities after failing them for so long. That they're saying they won't be the first to go back doesn't mean that they won't go back. Some will want to see evidence that schools have operate safely. The most convincing evidence is to demonstrate it.

That at-risk students often won't be among the first back is not an excuse to do nothing.

And neither is it a reason to open schools mid-surge. People need to stop arguing that people who don't think schools should be open right now don't care about food insecurity, poverty, child abuse, etc. because it is simply not the case.

[Anonymous]

LCPS delayed to who knows when as far as hybrid learning. Still think the 2022 in-person target was so far off?

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/941704.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LCPS delayed to who knows when as far as hybrid learning. Still think the 2022 in-person target was so far off?

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/941704.page

Thanks for referencing my thread. I warned people here and the community that this year was going to be virtual.

We know how DCUM reacted.

I know as a principal I should not be posting during work hours but... it’s a slow Friday.

[Anonymous]

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I think if you want in-person school, you have to move or go to private.

Unless you're in LA, where public *and* private closed for 10 straight months now ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work with children who are homeless, are victims of abuse, are in foster care, or are trapped in the middle of family immigration battles. None of those parents selected “in person” learning for their children because they know that things can always get worse. Potentially exposing your family to a viral plague is going to have much more dire consequences for a family without health insurance, a large comfortable home where multiple people can quarantine at once, and who cannot survive without the consistent income of both adults and teenagers. It is insane (and frankly classist and racist) to pretend you are advocating for these people even though we have data indicating they are not on your side.

If you never engage with any of these communities and now you are using them as an argument for opening schools during the pandemic, you are a bad person.

It's completely reasonable to expect to have the earn the trust of disadvantaged communities after failing them for so long. That they're saying they won't be the first to go back doesn't mean that they won't go back. Some will want to see evidence that schools have operate safely. The most convincing evidence is to demonstrate it.

That at-risk students often won't be among the first back is not an excuse to do nothing.

And neither is it a reason to open schools mid-surge. People need to stop arguing that people who don't think schools should be open right now don't care about food insecurity, poverty, child abuse, etc. because it is simply not the case.

I am NP and I see both sides of this argument. Having been a teacher for many years, I know the vast majority of parents/guardians want what’s best for their kids. I have seen enough situations, however, where there are home situations where even if the parent/guardian thought they were doing what’s best, they were doing harm to their child. Many children use school as an escape from their homes, so not being able to leave is traumatizing. For instance do you really think it’s better for the 2nd grader who used to show up to school late reeking of weed from whomever he lived with staying at home all day for an entire year? Or the teenager at home watching 4 younger siblings with grandma because mom is not around? These are real traumatic situations.