The Crown - season 4

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also watched Diana in her own words right after bingeing the Crown and was shocked at how much less drama Diana herself seemed to carry than the show. I think the show is absolutely making things out to be worse than they were for her. I love the crown, but I’m a little uneasy with the super negative portrayals of the more modern monarchy.

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And having Princess Anne refer to a “revolving door” of men re: Diana was really below the belt. She was only known to be involved with two men - Hewitt and her bodyguard. They made her sound like a tramp - not fair at all, considering Charles was having an affair with Camilla throughout the entire marriage.

No I'm sorry the British knew about a slew of other men including actors, musicians, etc some of whom have only years later admitted to it. It was indeed a revolving door and considered part of a mania that she went through at that time.

Charles had two other confirmed lovers aside from Camilla. The man was unfaithful as they come and didn’t touch Diana after she turned 24 essentially anc had Prince Harry. What would you have done?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also watched Diana in her own words right after bingeing the Crown and was shocked at how much less drama Diana herself seemed to carry than the show. I think the show is absolutely making things out to be worse than they were for her. I love the crown, but I’m a little uneasy with the super negative portrayals of the more modern monarchy.

+1
And having Princess Anne refer to a “revolving door” of men re: Diana was really below the belt. She was only known to be involved with two men - Hewitt and her bodyguard. They made her sound like a tramp - not fair at all, considering Charles was having an affair with Camilla throughout the entire marriage.

No I'm sorry the British knew about a slew of other men including actors, musicians, etc some of whom have only years later admitted to it. It was indeed a revolving door and considered part of a mania that she went through at that time.

Charles had two other confirmed lovers aside from Camilla. The man was unfaithful as they come and didn’t touch Diana after she turned 24 essentially anc had Prince Harry. What would you have done?

I'm sorry, I think you misconstrued my exposing the truth of a situation with caring about it one way or another. I am not criticizing PD for her revolving door, simply backing up the fact of it's existence. I'll leave the moralizing to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess the Royals ‘never complain, never explain’ doesn’t apply to the Prince of Wales and his mistress

So stupid. The actors being much better looking than most of the real people is disclaimer it is fictional enough.

[Anonymous]

Couple of things to consider. Diana would be totally in control during an interview. She's known for being that perfect. I read the book about her life, written with her input and it was horrendous. I agree that Netflix drama-d it up but remember the British are fantastic at being passive aggressive. Maybe it wasn't all said, but it was still made plainly clear to Diana just the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was surprised they didn’t show Diana’s friendship with Fergie at all. By all accounts, they were best friends. In fact, Fergie was barely even mentioned. She and Andrew had quite the scandalous divorce too - I wonder if that will be covered next season.

I was wondering why Fergie got so little coverage myself. That was quite a different marriage, too. Wasn't she the daughter of the stable manager? Not someone who would be expected to marry royalty. I figure they thought it would detract from the Diana story but I hope they'll address it next season.

[Anonymous]

Diana didn't have a "revolving door" of lovers in the 1980's. First, there was her bodyguard Barry Mannakee, who died in a motorcycle accident in 1987 - and Diana thought it was no accident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Mannakee

Then there was James Hewitt.

I was disappointed with this season. They also didn't include the fact that Charles had proposed to Dickie's granddaughter after the IRA attack, but she turned him down. And then Charles reconnected with Diana.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Amanda_Ellingworth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was surprised they didn’t show Diana’s friendship with Fergie at all. By all accounts, they were best friends. In fact, Fergie was barely even mentioned. She and Andrew had quite the scandalous divorce too - I wonder if that will be covered next season.

I was wondering why Fergie got so little coverage myself. That was quite a different marriage, too. Wasn't she the daughter of the stable manager? Not someone who would be expected to marry royalty. I figure they thought it would detract from the Diana story but I hope they'll address it next season.

She has an aristocratic background:

Known informally as "Fergie", Sarah once described her family as "country gentry with a bit of old money". She is a descendant of King Charles II of England via three of his illegitimate children: Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond, James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth,[7] and Anne Lennard, Countess of Sussex.[8][9][10][11] She has aristocratic ancestry, being the great great-granddaughter of the 6th Duke of Buccleuch, a great-granddaughter of the 8th Viscount Powerscourt and a descendant of the 1st Duke of Abercorn and of the 4th Duke of Devonshire.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah,_Duchess_of_York

[Anonymous]

Forty years later and Diana is still overshadowing that limp cheating noodle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was surprised they didn’t show Diana’s friendship with Fergie at all. By all accounts, they were best friends. In fact, Fergie was barely even mentioned. She and Andrew had quite the scandalous divorce too - I wonder if that will be covered next season.

I was wondering why Fergie got so little coverage myself. That was quite a different marriage, too. Wasn't she the daughter of the stable manager? Not someone who would be expected to marry royalty. I figure they thought it would detract from the Diana story but I hope they'll address it next season.

Hahaha. The Queen's Master of the Horse is not quite a stable manager. It's a position at court. Hahahaha. It's like calling the Secretary of the Interior a park ranger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was surprised they didn’t show Diana’s friendship with Fergie at all. By all accounts, they were best friends. In fact, Fergie was barely even mentioned. She and Andrew had quite the scandalous divorce too - I wonder if that will be covered next season.

I was wondering why Fergie got so little coverage myself. That was quite a different marriage, too. Wasn't she the daughter of the stable manager? Not someone who would be expected to marry royalty. I figure they thought it would detract from the Diana story but I hope they'll address it next season.

Hahaha. The Queen's Master of the Horse is not quite a stable manager. It's a position at court. Hahahaha. It's like calling the Secretary of the Interior a park ranger.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's sad that Charles and Camilla brought this 19 year old girl into their terrible situation without full disclosure. Diana thought she was getting a real marriage and a real husband when she said yes. Then it was too late.
Charles and Camilla should have stopped their affair once he got married.
Diana would still have been imperfect but for someone with her insecurities, the rejection and cheating was intolerable.

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And where was her mother or someone who could truthfully level with her about what this marriage would actually be like? She really had no one to advise her at all.

I was so angry when the queen and Philip called a meeting with Charles and Diana and the queen called Diana out on her affairs - but not one word to Charles about his *mistress*. She did call him out in private when it was just the two of them, but she should have spoken up in front of Diana instead of making only Diana apologize and promise to do better. Sheesh - what about Charles?

Though I have to wonder whether these conversations actually took place. That’s something we’ll never know.

She wasn't that close to her mother. Her mother and father divorced while the kids were still quite young.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's sad that Charles and Camilla brought this 19 year old girl into their terrible situation without full disclosure. Diana thought she was getting a real marriage and a real husband when she said yes. Then it was too late.
Charles and Camilla should have stopped their affair once he got married.
Diana would still have been imperfect but for someone with her insecurities, the rejection and cheating was intolerable.

+1
And where was her mother or someone who could truthfully level with her about what this marriage would actually be like? She really had no one to advise her at all.

I was so angry when the queen and Philip called a meeting with Charles and Diana and the queen called Diana out on her affairs - but not one word to Charles about his *mistress*. She did call him out in private when it was just the two of them, but she should have spoken up in front of Diana instead of making only Diana apologize and promise to do better. Sheesh - what about Charles?

Though I have to wonder whether these conversations actually took place. That’s something we’ll never know.

She wasn't that close to her mother. Her mother and father divorced while the kids were still quite young.

She spent some of her childhood in London with her mother but her father intervened and she ended up back in the country with him and her dreadful stepmother. He got custody because he was nobility and her mother wasn’t. And that definitely affected her in the negotiations for her separation and divorce.
I just finished the season last night and it is very good. Agree with PPs that they did a lot to promote sympathy for Charles but he was still such a villain in the end. “You’re so beautiful and good at your job that my mistress is mad she can’t compete with you!!!” is not an OK thing to say to your wife.

And I also recommend the You’re Wrong About podcasts. So good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Couple of things to consider. Diana would be totally in control during an interview. She's known for being that perfect. I read the book about her life, written with her input and it was horrendous. I agree that Netflix drama-d it up but remember the British are fantastic at being passive aggressive. Maybe it wasn't all said, but it was still made plainly clear to Diana just the same.

The Diana book with Andrew Morton- complete BS.

[Anonymous]

This is all making it really plausible to me that Charles had her off’d

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is all making it really plausible to me that Charles had her off’d

You should be careful what you write - you're accusing a real, living person of murder here...