Redshirting? Will there be more this year?

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Anonymous wrote: My parents were obsessed with me being youngest and smartest too, like so many of the weirdo parents here.

That just shows that while your parents definitely wanted you to win things, they also wanted you to win them fairly. Winning a competition when you're a year older than everyone else is nothing to be proud of. It has to be an apples-to-apples comparison.

Look, weirdo troll, you need to stop. You are insane. Certifiable. Give it a rest and get some help.

So I don’t get this. Why is it “not fair” to be 13 month older than the youngest boy in the class, but is fair to be 12 months younger? My DD is redishrted and was born 3 days before cutoff. She would have been the youngest in the class by a lot since the youngest kid in her class has an end of May birthday. She is with her cohort NOW. Also, I did not lie about her age and I was encouraged to redshirt her by teachers and administrators. I did not cheat... these are the rules, but if you are not happy with them you can always homeschool

I have no issues with people who don’t think their kids are smart enough for school. I started my kids on time and they have summer birthdays so they’re often among the youngest. They’re still in advanced classes even though there are many kids more than a year older in their grade. As the kids get older, the perceived advantage turns into disadvantage really fast.

I didn't redshirt.

Almost nobody redshirts their kid. And this is what makes the tiny minorty of parents who do redshirt even worse. Parents who are considering redshirting should pick up the fact that nobody else is doing it and get a clue.

So why concern yourself over this huge mistake other people are making and putting their kids at a huge disadvantage (as the PP upthread said) making the kids likely bully targets who will get teased for being too old and too big (according to some)? If nobody is doing it, what is the problem?

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Anonymous wrote:I resdshirted a March birthday. My kid is an only, I am not lazy and my kid’s education is the most important gift I can give her. She is going full day, in person to Junior K. She may skip regular K if the private school evaluation recommends that. Distance learning is a joke for the very ones. I would rather her be the older smartest than younger dumbest in class.

That's insane. She will be 19 when she graduates high school.

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Anonymous wrote:I resdshirted a March birthday. My kid is an only, I am not lazy and my kid’s education is the most important gift I can give her. She is going full day, in person to Junior K. She may skip regular K if the private school evaluation recommends that. Distance learning is a joke for the very ones. I would rather her be the older smartest than younger dumbest in class.

So the fact that she was already slated to be in the oldest quarter wasn't good enough? You needed her to be at-least 10 months older than anyone else? How are her December-born classmates supposed to compete with someone 21 months older than them? And as for your last sentence, your daughter probably will do much better than all of her classmates, but it won't be because she's smarter. It'll be because she's ridiculously older.

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Anonymous wrote:I resdshirted a March birthday. My kid is an only, I am not lazy and my kid’s education is the most important gift I can give her. She is going full day, in person to Junior K. She may skip regular K if the private school evaluation recommends that. Distance learning is a joke for the very ones. I would rather her be the older smartest than younger dumbest in class.

So the fact that she was already slated to be in the oldest quarter wasn't good enough? You needed her to be at-least 10 months older than anyone else? How are her December-born classmates supposed to compete with someone 21 months older than them? And as for your last sentence, your daughter probably will do much better than all of her classmates, but it won't be because she's smarter. It'll be because she's ridiculously older.

What cut off puts a March birthday in the oldest quarter? School cut offs are getting earlier and earlier all the time. Where are you that the cutoff is Dec 31 for entering K? That's not the reality for many people so you are likely applying a set of rules that doesn't apply in this situation. The chart below shows how out of date your assumptions are about the age spread of kids in the classroom are. Are you in Connecticut applying the before Jan 1 rule?

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

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Pretty sure it's the same troll (or just impenetrably ignorant poster) on each thread who always makes these posts with an implied grade eligibility cutoff date of Jan 1.

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Anonymous wrote:Kinder is such great year normally. I would redshirt a June bday this year in a heartbeat. April or earlier, probably no. June? Absolutely.

Does anyone ever ask you how old you were when you graduated high school? College? It doesn’t matter at all. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about a year difference. Do what is best for your kid.

How do you think a kid will feel being an 19-20 year old senior? Kids know who was held back.

I know a lot of 19 year old high school seniors. Redshirting is pretty common, you know. None are 20—even if they were redshirted once they’re only 19.

If I held my fall kid back, they would have been 18 all of senior year. If a spring kid is held back they turn 19... the is way to old for high school. If a parent held back last year, they would have started at 6 this year. If they choose to hold back again, they will be 7 when they start.

It’s truly okay. It happens everywhere. Not a huge deal. BUT now there is a global emergency, so if there is an unusual number of kids who are 19 as seniors, there will be a specific reason for it. I know three families redshirting. Stop making it a huge deal. If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t.

Its absurd for many reasons including the most important social. You are dumbing down your kid to make them smarter and smarts has to do with IQ not age. It also impacts kids socially as the expectations for the younger kids becomes unreasonable as people expect them to be at the same rate as their peers who can be 1-2 years older them them so its not a real peer. It is really selfish to hold your child back as its easier to hold them back than teach them basics like reading.

Actually, some kids are academically ready and socially not, so parents hold them back so that they won’t always be socially behind.
And other times it’s the opposite - socially ready and academically not.

Also, read up a bit on IQ. The way you are using the term is the way we thought about IQ 40 years ago. Our intelligence is malleable, not fixed.

Its K. No kid would be truly ready except those whose parents and preschools prepared them. It takes parenting. If a child is that behind they should be evaluated and in services. Just ignoring it and holding a child back doesn't fix things.

Holding back does not make your kid smarter, just older. You can think it does, go for it. Your kid will be teased for you holding them back.

I don’t know why you’re trying to scare people, unless you’re crazy “natural law” lady from the other redshirting thread. But this just isn’t true. Kids really don’t care exactly when their classmates’ birthday is. In our actual experience, not crazy speculation, it is a nonissue. Overwhelmingly, those who redshirt are glad they did so. Which doesn’t mean it’s the only right choice - but it is not a wrong one.

As they get older, kids do question when a classmate is much older or much younger than others. For example, they do question when sixth graders have their Bar or Bat Mitzvah, and they'll ask if they got held back since most kids have their Bar or Bat Mitzvah in seventh or even eighth grade.

I used to teach eighth grade (before moving grade levels), and I overheard, and intervened in, many conversations in which kids were not very kind when they had classmates who turned 15 during eighth grade. A frequent series of questions was, "Why? What's wrong with you? Did you fail a grade?" They also questioned, not always kindly, when their classmates were 12 for more than a few months of eighth grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Kinder is such great year normally. I would redshirt a June bday this year in a heartbeat. April or earlier, probably no. June? Absolutely.

Does anyone ever ask you how old you were when you graduated high school? College? It doesn’t matter at all. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about a year difference. Do what is best for your kid.

How do you think a kid will feel being an 19-20 year old senior? Kids know who was held back.

I know a lot of 19 year old high school seniors. Redshirting is pretty common, you know. None are 20—even if they were redshirted once they’re only 19.

If I held my fall kid back, they would have been 18 all of senior year. If a spring kid is held back they turn 19... the is way to old for high school. If a parent held back last year, they would have started at 6 this year. If they choose to hold back again, they will be 7 when they start.

It’s truly okay. It happens everywhere. Not a huge deal. BUT now there is a global emergency, so if there is an unusual number of kids who are 19 as seniors, there will be a specific reason for it. I know three families redshirting. Stop making it a huge deal. If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t.

Its absurd for many reasons including the most important social. You are dumbing down your kid to make them smarter and smarts has to do with IQ not age. It also impacts kids socially as the expectations for the younger kids becomes unreasonable as people expect them to be at the same rate as their peers who can be 1-2 years older them them so its not a real peer. It is really selfish to hold your child back as its easier to hold them back than teach them basics like reading.

Actually, some kids are academically ready and socially not, so parents hold them back so that they won’t always be socially behind.
And other times it’s the opposite - socially ready and academically not.

Also, read up a bit on IQ. The way you are using the term is the way we thought about IQ 40 years ago. Our intelligence is malleable, not fixed.

Its K. No kid would be truly ready except those whose parents and preschools prepared them. It takes parenting. If a child is that behind they should be evaluated and in services. Just ignoring it and holding a child back doesn't fix things.

Holding back does not make your kid smarter, just older. You can think it does, go for it. Your kid will be teased for you holding them back.

I don’t know why you’re trying to scare people, unless you’re crazy “natural law” lady from the other redshirting thread. But this just isn’t true. Kids really don’t care exactly when their classmates’ birthday is. In our actual experience, not crazy speculation, it is a nonissue. Overwhelmingly, those who redshirt are glad they did so. Which doesn’t mean it’s the only right choice - but it is not a wrong one.

I used to teach eighth grade (before moving grade levels), and I overheard, and intervened in, many conversations in which kids were not very kind when they had classmates who turned 15 during eighth grade. A frequent series of questions was, "Why? What's wrong with you? Did you fail a grade?"

Honestly, that kind of response is probably just impulsive. Obviously, they have no right to be mad at the kid, as it was their parents' decision, not theirs, to redshirt. I mean, this older student was probably constantly outshining his or her classmates and winning every class competition, and when they found out that it was because they had an unfair advantage, it's only natural that anger would've been their immediate reaction. Wouldn't you feel angry if you found out that someone beat you unfairly?

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Anonymous wrote:Kinder is such great year normally. I would redshirt a June bday this year in a heartbeat. April or earlier, probably no. June? Absolutely.

Does anyone ever ask you how old you were when you graduated high school? College? It doesn’t matter at all. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about a year difference. Do what is best for your kid.

How do you think a kid will feel being an 19-20 year old senior? Kids know who was held back.

I know a lot of 19 year old high school seniors. Redshirting is pretty common, you know. None are 20—even if they were redshirted once they’re only 19.

If I held my fall kid back, they would have been 18 all of senior year. If a spring kid is held back they turn 19... the is way to old for high school. If a parent held back last year, they would have started at 6 this year. If they choose to hold back again, they will be 7 when they start.

It’s truly okay. It happens everywhere. Not a huge deal. BUT now there is a global emergency, so if there is an unusual number of kids who are 19 as seniors, there will be a specific reason for it. I know three families redshirting. Stop making it a huge deal. If you don’t want to do it, then just don’t.

Its absurd for many reasons including the most important social. You are dumbing down your kid to make them smarter and smarts has to do with IQ not age. It also impacts kids socially as the expectations for the younger kids becomes unreasonable as people expect them to be at the same rate as their peers who can be 1-2 years older them them so its not a real peer. It is really selfish to hold your child back as its easier to hold them back than teach them basics like reading.

Actually, some kids are academically ready and socially not, so parents hold them back so that they won’t always be socially behind.
And other times it’s the opposite - socially ready and academically not.

Also, read up a bit on IQ. The way you are using the term is the way we thought about IQ 40 years ago. Our intelligence is malleable, not fixed.

Its K. No kid would be truly ready except those whose parents and preschools prepared them. It takes parenting. If a child is that behind they should be evaluated and in services. Just ignoring it and holding a child back doesn't fix things.

Holding back does not make your kid smarter, just older. You can think it does, go for it. Your kid will be teased for you holding them back.

I don’t know why you’re trying to scare people, unless you’re crazy “natural law” lady from the other redshirting thread. But this just isn’t true. Kids really don’t care exactly when their classmates’ birthday is. In our actual experience, not crazy speculation, it is a nonissue. Overwhelmingly, those who redshirt are glad they did so. Which doesn’t mean it’s the only right choice - but it is not a wrong one.

I used to teach eighth grade (before moving grade levels), and I overheard, and intervened in, many conversations in which kids were not very kind when they had classmates who turned 15 during eighth grade. A frequent series of questions was, "Why? What's wrong with you? Did you fail a grade?"

Honestly, that kind of response is probably just impulsive. Obviously, they have no right to be mad at the kid, as it was their parents' decision, not theirs, to redshirt. I mean, this older student was probably constantly outshining his or her classmates and winning every class competition, and when they found out that it was because they had an unfair advantage, it's only natural that anger would've been their immediate reaction. Wouldn't you feel angry if you found out that someone beat you unfairly?

Nah, kids will tend to pick on any outlier, especially if the target isn't one of the "cool kids" in their class. Older, younger, taller, shorter, fatter, skinnier, top of class, bottom of class, etc. regardless if there is cause.

You're certainly projecting here with the whole "constantly outshining" bit as the motivating reason. But a 13yo isn't going to magically constantly outshine a class full of 12yos academically just because they're a year older, unless they'd ALSO have been top of their class had they gone on time... in which case they've likely been done a disservice by being held back a year. There's probably a few years in there where they get a good advantage in sports just because of physical maturation and size, but again by HS that one-year advantage has disappeared. The top athletes make varsity teams as sophomores, as the year or two advantage the Jrs/Srs have is easily overcome by superior talent.

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Anonymous wrote:I resdshirted a March birthday. My kid is an only, I am not lazy and my kid’s education is the most important gift I can give her. She is going full day, in person to Junior K. She may skip regular K if the private school evaluation recommends that. Distance learning is a joke for the very ones. I would rather her be the older smartest than younger dumbest in class.

So the fact that she was already slated to be in the oldest quarter wasn't good enough? You needed her to be at-least 10 months older than anyone else? How are her December-born classmates supposed to compete with someone 21 months older than them? And as for your last sentence, your daughter probably will do much better than all of her classmates, but it won't be because she's smarter. It'll be because she's ridiculously older.

What cut off puts a March birthday in the oldest quarter? School cut offs are getting earlier and earlier all the time. Where are you that the cutoff is Dec 31 for entering K? That's not the reality for many people so you are likely applying a set of rules that doesn't apply in this situation. The chart below shows how out of date your assumptions are about the age spread of kids in the classroom are. Are you in Connecticut applying the before Jan 1 rule?

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

Even in an area with a September 30th cut-off, a kid with a March birthday is still going to be on the older half. And redshirting a kid with a March birthday is going to make them at-least 7 months older than their oldest classmates and 18 months than their youngest classmates, which still gives that child a ridiculous advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:I resdshirted a March birthday. My kid is an only, I am not lazy and my kid’s education is the most important gift I can give her. She is going full day, in person to Junior K. She may skip regular K if the private school evaluation recommends that. Distance learning is a joke for the very ones. I would rather her be the older smartest than younger dumbest in class.

So the fact that she was already slated to be in the oldest quarter wasn't good enough? You needed her to be at-least 10 months older than anyone else? How are her December-born classmates supposed to compete with someone 21 months older than them? And as for your last sentence, your daughter probably will do much better than all of her classmates, but it won't be because she's smarter. It'll be because she's ridiculously older.

What cut off puts a March birthday in the oldest quarter? School cut offs are getting earlier and earlier all the time. Where are you that the cutoff is Dec 31 for entering K? That's not the reality for many people so you are likely applying a set of rules that doesn't apply in this situation. The chart below shows how out of date your assumptions are about the age spread of kids in the classroom are. Are you in Connecticut applying the before Jan 1 rule?

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

Even in an area with a September 30th cut-off, a kid with a March birthday is still going to be on the older half. And redshirting a kid with a March birthday is going to make them at-least 7 months older than their oldest classmates and 18 months than their youngest classmates, which still gives that child a ridiculous advantage.

How many March birthdays are redshirted? Is this really a massive problem? You seem like a hammer looking for a nail. How many March birthday kids are 18 months older than their younger classmates in any given classroom? This "problem" is exceedingly rare and it begs the question why you care about something so rare and unusual in the first place.

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People are crazy about redshirting nowadays. My June 2016birthday daughter will be starting Kindergarten on time this year BECAUSE SHE'S READY, as are most children her age. I know a ton of families redshirted their spring-born children this year, so I know that she will be in school with children that have spring 2015 birthdays. We know a boy that has a May 2015 birthday and DEFINITELY should have been in Kindergarten this year, but his parents didn't want him to do virtual K and refuse to start him on time in first grade next year. It's absurd. He's going to turn SEVEN in Kindergarten. My seven year old is in 2nd grade right now.

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Anonymous wrote:People are crazy about redshirting nowadays. My June 2016birthday daughter will be starting Kindergarten on time this year BECAUSE SHE'S READY, as are most children her age. I know a ton of families redshirted their spring-born children this year, so I know that she will be in school with children that have spring 2015 birthdays. We know a boy that has a May 2015 birthday and DEFINITELY should have been in Kindergarten this year, but his parents didn't want him to do virtual K and refuse to start him on time in first grade next year. It's absurd. He's going to turn SEVEN in Kindergarten. My seven year old is in 2nd grade right now.

But not a March birthday?

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Anonymous wrote:I resdshirted a March birthday. My kid is an only, I am not lazy and my kid’s education is the most important gift I can give her. She is going full day, in person to Junior K. She may skip regular K if the private school evaluation recommends that. Distance learning is a joke for the very ones. I would rather her be the older smartest than younger dumbest in class.

So the fact that she was already slated to be in the oldest quarter wasn't good enough? You needed her to be at-least 10 months older than anyone else? How are her December-born classmates supposed to compete with someone 21 months older than them? And as for your last sentence, your daughter probably will do much better than all of her classmates, but it won't be because she's smarter. It'll be because she's ridiculously older.

What cut off puts a March birthday in the oldest quarter? School cut offs are getting earlier and earlier all the time. Where are you that the cutoff is Dec 31 for entering K? That's not the reality for many people so you are likely applying a set of rules that doesn't apply in this situation. The chart below shows how out of date your assumptions are about the age spread of kids in the classroom are. Are you in Connecticut applying the before Jan 1 rule?

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

Even in an area with a September 30th cut-off, a kid with a March birthday is still going to be on the older half. And redshirting a kid with a March birthday is going to make them at-least 7 months older than their oldest classmates and 18 months than their youngest classmates, which still gives that child a ridiculous advantage.

How many March birthdays are redshirted? Is this really a massive problem? You seem like a hammer looking for a nail. How many March birthday kids are 18 months older than their younger classmates in any given classroom? This "problem" is exceedingly rare and it begs the question why you care about something so rare and unusual in the first place.

I'm referring to the one parent on here who claims to have redshirted their March-born child.

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Anonymous wrote:People are crazy about redshirting nowadays. My June 2016birthday daughter will be starting Kindergarten on time this year BECAUSE SHE'S READY, as are most children her age. I know a ton of families redshirted their spring-born children this year, so I know that she will be in school with children that have spring 2015 birthdays. We know a boy that has a May 2015 birthday and DEFINITELY should have been in Kindergarten this year, but his parents didn't want him to do virtual K and refuse to start him on time in first grade next year. It's absurd. He's going to turn SEVEN in Kindergarten. My seven year old is in 2nd grade right now.

I don’t know. My September birthday kid turned 7 the first week of first grade. So turning 7 in K maybe doesn’t seem as ridiculous to me as it would if my older kid had a spring birthday? My 2nd kid is May 2016 and he’ll be going to K in the fall on time, but it wasn’t until very recently that I thought he’d be ready for K by September. I have several friends with May/June boys who feel like some of the issues their kids have had in school have been related to being on the young side. For sone kids, I can see it being a tough call.

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Anonymous wrote:People are crazy about redshirting nowadays. My June 2016birthday daughter will be starting Kindergarten on time this year BECAUSE SHE'S READY, as are most children her age. I know a ton of families redshirted their spring-born children this year, so I know that she will be in school with children that have spring 2015 birthdays. We know a boy that has a May 2015 birthday and DEFINITELY should have been in Kindergarten this year, but his parents didn't want him to do virtual K and refuse to start him on time in first grade next year. It's absurd. He's going to turn SEVEN in Kindergarten. My seven year old is in 2nd grade right now.

I don’t know. My September birthday kid turned 7 the first week of first grade. So turning 7 in K maybe doesn’t seem as ridiculous to me as it would if my older kid had a spring birthday? My 2nd kid is May 2016 and he’ll be going to K in the fall on time, but it wasn’t until very recently that I thought he’d be ready for K by September. I have several friends with May/June boys who feel like some of the issues their kids have had in school have been related to being on the young side. For sone kids, I can see it being a tough call.

My September child turned 6 in first so yes it’s too old.