Redshirting? Will there be more this year?

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Anonymous wrote: My parents were obsessed with me being youngest and smartest too, like so many of the weirdo parents here.

That just shows that while your parents definitely wanted you to win things, they also wanted you to win them fairly. Winning a competition when you're a year older than everyone else is nothing to be proud of. It has to be an apples-to-apples comparison.

Look, weirdo troll, you need to stop. You are insane. Certifiable. Give it a rest and get some help.

So I don’t get this. Why is it “not fair” to be 13 month older than the youngest boy in the class, but is fair to be 12 months younger? My DD is redishrted and was born 3 days before cutoff. She would have been the youngest in the class by a lot since the youngest kid in her class has an end of May birthday. She is with her cohort NOW. Also, I did not lie about her age and I was encouraged to redshirt her by teachers and administrators. I did not cheat... these are the rules, but if you are not happy with them you can always homeschool

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That is insanely old and bizarre.

That was my initial thought as well. While virtual K does sound like a nightmare, and while I guess starting K at 6 and 3mo doesn’t sound odd, starting senior year at 18 and 3mo does.

They will be in K when they turn 7. Kids just need to know how to read and basic math. Most parents can teach that. Sounds like lazy parents.

Nope. They don’t even need to be able to read. They spend all year teaching reading and they only count up to 10 most of the time. It would be ridiculous to start a six year old at that level.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: My parents were obsessed with me being youngest and smartest too, like so many of the weirdo parents here.

That just shows that while your parents definitely wanted you to win things, they also wanted you to win them fairly. Winning a competition when you're a year older than everyone else is nothing to be proud of. It has to be an apples-to-apples comparison.

Look, weirdo troll, you need to stop. You are insane. Certifiable. Give it a rest and get some help.

So I don’t get this. Why is it “not fair” to be 13 month older than the youngest boy in the class, but is fair to be 12 months younger? My DD is redishrted and was born 3 days before cutoff. She would have been the youngest in the class by a lot since the youngest kid in her class has an end of May birthday. She is with her cohort NOW. Also, I did not lie about her age and I was encouraged to redshirt her by teachers and administrators. I did not cheat... these are the rules, but if you are not happy with them you can always homeschool

I have no issues with people who don’t think their kids are smart enough for school. I started my kids on time and they have summer birthdays so they’re often among the youngest. They’re still in advanced classes even though there are many kids more than a year older in their grade. As the kids get older, the perceived advantage turns into disadvantage really fast.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: My parents were obsessed with me being youngest and smartest too, like so many of the weirdo parents here.

That just shows that while your parents definitely wanted you to win things, they also wanted you to win them fairly. Winning a competition when you're a year older than everyone else is nothing to be proud of. It has to be an apples-to-apples comparison.

Look, weirdo troll, you need to stop. You are insane. Certifiable. Give it a rest and get some help.

So I don’t get this. Why is it “not fair” to be 13 month older than the youngest boy in the class, but is fair to be 12 months younger? My DD is redishrted and was born 3 days before cutoff. She would have been the youngest in the class by a lot since the youngest kid in her class has an end of May birthday. She is with her cohort NOW. Also, I did not lie about her age and I was encouraged to redshirt her by teachers and administrators. I did not cheat... these are the rules, but if you are not happy with them you can always homeschool

I have no issues with people who don’t think their kids are smart enough for school. I started my kids on time and they have summer birthdays so they’re often among the youngest. They’re still in advanced classes even though there are many kids more than a year older in their grade. As the kids get older, the perceived advantage turns into disadvantage really fast.

DP. DCUMs anti-redshirt posters are so ridiculous. I didn't redshirt. I just watch these threads because DCUMs anti-redshirt posters are reliably silly, and it's pretty entertaining. For Pete's sake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I sent my July birthday kid late, with a Sept 1 cutoff there isn't 17 month age difference in the grade. All the teachers encouraged giving the gift of time and I have never had a regret. I could not care less what any parent thinks of my kid being a few months older than any other kid.

Of course you didn't have any regrets. There was no personal harm to you and your son. But think of those poor August-born kids who had to put up with someone 13 months older than them.

What specific personal harm was there to anyone in this scenario? You do you.

Well, he probably won every class competition all throughout school, which means that whichever of his classmates deserved to didn't. He was probably valedictorian, which means that the salutatorian was wrongfully robbed of said title, and that whoever graduated 3rd in the class didn't even have a title at all, despite deserving to. He probably also went to one of HYP(or MIT), meaning that an age-appropriate candidate who deserved to go to one of those colleges was forced to forfeit a life-long dream.

You have evidence that winners of competitions and valedictorians were redshirted? Doubtful. Sorry I don't buy your argument that a kid a few weeks or even months older is going to win everything. Thats ridiculous

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sent my July birthday kid late, with a Sept 1 cutoff there isn't 17 month age difference in the grade. All the teachers encouraged giving the gift of time and I have never had a regret. I could not care less what any parent thinks of my kid being a few months older than any other kid.

Of course you didn't have any regrets. There was no personal harm to you and your son. But think of those poor August-born kids who had to put up with someone 13 months older than them.

What specific personal harm was there to anyone in this scenario? You do you.

Well, he probably won every class competition all throughout school, which means that whichever of his classmates deserved to didn't. He was probably valedictorian, which means that the salutatorian was wrongfully robbed of said title, and that whoever graduated 3rd in the class didn't even have a title at all, despite deserving to. He probably also went to one of HYP(or MIT), meaning that an age-appropriate candidate who deserved to go to one of those colleges was forced to forfeit a life-long dream.

You have evidence that winners of competitions and valedictorians were redshirted?

I know that the vast majority of "winners of competitions and valedictorians" were not redshirted. However, the vast majority of people who were redshirted are "winners of competitions and valedictorians".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sent my July birthday kid late, with a Sept 1 cutoff there isn't 17 month age difference in the grade. All the teachers encouraged giving the gift of time and I have never had a regret. I could not care less what any parent thinks of my kid being a few months older than any other kid.

Of course you didn't have any regrets. There was no personal harm to you and your son. But think of those poor August-born kids who had to put up with someone 13 months older than them.

What specific personal harm was there to anyone in this scenario? You do you.

Well, he probably won every class competition all throughout school, which means that whichever of his classmates deserved to didn't. He was probably valedictorian, which means that the salutatorian was wrongfully robbed of said title, and that whoever graduated 3rd in the class didn't even have a title at all, despite deserving to. He probably also went to one of HYP(or MIT), meaning that an age-appropriate candidate who deserved to go to one of those colleges was forced to forfeit a life-long dream.

You have evidence that winners of competitions and valedictorians were redshirted?

I know that the vast majority of "winners of competitions and valedictorians" were not redshirted. However, the vast majority of people who were redshirted are "winners of competitions and valedictorians".

Disagree. Your entire premise is "age" is the only factor that matters in success. Not true at all. Unless you can provide evidence that most redshirted kids are winners/valedictorians - then your comment is meaningless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sent my July birthday kid late, with a Sept 1 cutoff there isn't 17 month age difference in the grade. All the teachers encouraged giving the gift of time and I have never had a regret. I could not care less what any parent thinks of my kid being a few months older than any other kid.

Of course you didn't have any regrets. There was no personal harm to you and your son. But think of those poor August-born kids who had to put up with someone 13 months older than them.

What specific personal harm was there to anyone in this scenario? You do you.

Well, he probably won every class competition all throughout school, which means that whichever of his classmates deserved to didn't. He was probably valedictorian, which means that the salutatorian was wrongfully robbed of said title, and that whoever graduated 3rd in the class didn't even have a title at all, despite deserving to. He probably also went to one of HYP(or MIT), meaning that an age-appropriate candidate who deserved to go to one of those colleges was forced to forfeit a life-long dream.

You have evidence that winners of competitions and valedictorians were redshirted?

I know that the vast majority of "winners of competitions and valedictorians" were not redshirted. However, the vast majority of people who were redshirted are "winners of competitions and valedictorians".

Unless you can provide evidence that most redshirted kids are winners/valedictorians - then your comment is meaningless.

The problem is that so few kids are redshirted that it would be quite difficult to find a large enough sampling. However, the 3 people I know who were redshirted did accomplish these things and much more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sent my July birthday kid late, with a Sept 1 cutoff there isn't 17 month age difference in the grade. All the teachers encouraged giving the gift of time and I have never had a regret. I could not care less what any parent thinks of my kid being a few months older than any other kid.

Of course you didn't have any regrets. There was no personal harm to you and your son. But think of those poor August-born kids who had to put up with someone 13 months older than them.

What specific personal harm was there to anyone in this scenario? You do you.

Well, he probably won every class competition all throughout school, which means that whichever of his classmates deserved to didn't. He was probably valedictorian, which means that the salutatorian was wrongfully robbed of said title, and that whoever graduated 3rd in the class didn't even have a title at all, despite deserving to. He probably also went to one of HYP(or MIT), meaning that an age-appropriate candidate who deserved to go to one of those colleges was forced to forfeit a life-long dream.

You have evidence that winners of competitions and valedictorians were redshirted?

I know that the vast majority of "winners of competitions and valedictorians" were not redshirted. However, the vast majority of people who were redshirted are "winners of competitions and valedictorians".

Unless you can provide evidence that most redshirted kids are winners/valedictorians - then your comment is meaningless.

The problem is that so few kids are redshirted that it would be quite difficult to find a large enough sampling. However, the 3 people I know who were redshirted did accomplish these things and much more.

Anecdotal evidence. Ok then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sent my July birthday kid late, with a Sept 1 cutoff there isn't 17 month age difference in the grade. All the teachers encouraged giving the gift of time and I have never had a regret. I could not care less what any parent thinks of my kid being a few months older than any other kid.

Of course you didn't have any regrets. There was no personal harm to you and your son. But think of those poor August-born kids who had to put up with someone 13 months older than them.

What specific personal harm was there to anyone in this scenario? You do you.

Well, he probably won every class competition all throughout school, which means that whichever of his classmates deserved to didn't. He was probably valedictorian, which means that the salutatorian was wrongfully robbed of said title, and that whoever graduated 3rd in the class didn't even have a title at all, despite deserving to. He probably also went to one of HYP(or MIT), meaning that an age-appropriate candidate who deserved to go to one of those colleges was forced to forfeit a life-long dream.

You have evidence that winners of competitions and valedictorians were redshirted?

I know that the vast majority of "winners of competitions and valedictorians" were not redshirted. However, the vast majority of people who were redshirted are "winners of competitions and valedictorians".

Unless you can provide evidence that most redshirted kids are winners/valedictorians - then your comment is meaningless.

The problem is that so few kids are redshirted that it would be quite difficult to find a large enough sampling. However, the 3 people I know who were redshirted did accomplish these things and much more.

Here are some unbiased backups for my claim:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15490760

https://www.cultofpedagogy.com/academic-redshirting/

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/08/beyond-the-pros-and-cons-of-redshirting/401159/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: My parents were obsessed with me being youngest and smartest too, like so many of the weirdo parents here.

That just shows that while your parents definitely wanted you to win things, they also wanted you to win them fairly. Winning a competition when you're a year older than everyone else is nothing to be proud of. It has to be an apples-to-apples comparison.

Look, weirdo troll, you need to stop. You are insane. Certifiable. Give it a rest and get some help.

So I don’t get this. Why is it “not fair” to be 13 month older than the youngest boy in the class, but is fair to be 12 months younger? My DD is redishrted and was born 3 days before cutoff. She would have been the youngest in the class by a lot since the youngest kid in her class has an end of May birthday. She is with her cohort NOW. Also, I did not lie about her age and I was encouraged to redshirt her by teachers and administrators. I did not cheat... these are the rules, but if you are not happy with them you can always homeschool

I have no issues with people who don’t think their kids are smart enough for school. I started my kids on time and they have summer birthdays so they’re often among the youngest. They’re still in advanced classes even though there are many kids more than a year older in their grade. As the kids get older, the perceived advantage turns into disadvantage really fast.

I didn't redshirt.

Almost nobody redshirts their kid. And this is what makes the tiny minorty of parents who do redshirt even worse. Parents who are considering redshirting should pick up the fact that nobody else is doing it and get a clue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: My parents were obsessed with me being youngest and smartest too, like so many of the weirdo parents here.

That just shows that while your parents definitely wanted you to win things, they also wanted you to win them fairly. Winning a competition when you're a year older than everyone else is nothing to be proud of. It has to be an apples-to-apples comparison.

Look, weirdo troll, you need to stop. You are insane. Certifiable. Give it a rest and get some help.

So I don’t get this. Why is it “not fair” to be 13 month older than the youngest boy in the class, but is fair to be 12 months younger? My DD is redishrted and was born 3 days before cutoff. She would have been the youngest in the class by a lot since the youngest kid in her class has an end of May birthday. She is with her cohort NOW. Also, I did not lie about her age and I was encouraged to redshirt her by teachers and administrators. I did not cheat... these are the rules, but if you are not happy with them you can always homeschool

I have no issues with people who don’t think their kids are smart enough for school. I started my kids on time and they have summer birthdays so they’re often among the youngest. They’re still in advanced classes even though there are many kids more than a year older in their grade. As the kids get older, the perceived advantage turns into disadvantage really fast.

I didn't redshirt.

Almost nobody redshirts their kid. And this is what makes the tiny minorty of parents who do redshirt even worse. Parents who are considering redshirting should pick up the fact that nobody else is doing it and get a clue.

Plenty of people redshirt. Hell I graduated from HS with kids 13-14 months older than me back in the dark ages. I had a summer birthday and went on time, they had summer birthdays and were held back a year. Never mind private schools which routinely recommend redshirting even late spring birthdays due to their “unofficial” cutoffs.

[Anonymous]

I didn't redshirt, but DCUM has managed to make me very pro-redshirting because you anti-redshirt people are SO SO WEIRD and come across as deeply disturbed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: My parents were obsessed with me being youngest and smartest too, like so many of the weirdo parents here.

That just shows that while your parents definitely wanted you to win things, they also wanted you to win them fairly. Winning a competition when you're a year older than everyone else is nothing to be proud of. It has to be an apples-to-apples comparison.

Look, weirdo troll, you need to stop. You are insane. Certifiable. Give it a rest and get some help.

So I don’t get this. Why is it “not fair” to be 13 month older than the youngest boy in the class, but is fair to be 12 months younger? My DD is redishrted and was born 3 days before cutoff. She would have been the youngest in the class by a lot since the youngest kid in her class has an end of May birthday. She is with her cohort NOW. Also, I did not lie about her age and I was encouraged to redshirt her by teachers and administrators. I did not cheat... these are the rules, but if you are not happy with them you can always homeschool

Actually by age she is not with her cohort and she is with younger kids. She is older, not smarter or more mature.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: My parents were obsessed with me being youngest and smartest too, like so many of the weirdo parents here.

That just shows that while your parents definitely wanted you to win things, they also wanted you to win them fairly. Winning a competition when you're a year older than everyone else is nothing to be proud of. It has to be an apples-to-apples comparison.

Look, weirdo troll, you need to stop. You are insane. Certifiable. Give it a rest and get some help.

So I don’t get this. Why is it “not fair” to be 13 month older than the youngest boy in the class, but is fair to be 12 months younger? My DD is redishrted and was born 3 days before cutoff. She would have been the youngest in the class by a lot since the youngest kid in her class has an end of May birthday. She is with her cohort NOW. Also, I did not lie about her age and I was encouraged to redshirt her by teachers and administrators. I did not cheat... these are the rules, but if you are not happy with them you can always homeschool

I have no issues with people who don’t think their kids are smart enough for school. I started my kids on time and they have summer birthdays so they’re often among the youngest. They’re still in advanced classes even though there are many kids more than a year older in their grade. As the kids get older, the perceived advantage turns into disadvantage really fast.

I didn't redshirt.

Almost nobody redshirts their kid. And this is what makes the tiny minorty of parents who do redshirt even worse. Parents who are considering redshirting should pick up the fact that nobody else is doing it and get a clue.

Plenty of people redshirt. Hell I graduated from HS with kids 13-14 months older than me back in the dark ages. I had a summer birthday and went on time, they had summer birthdays and were held back a year. Never mind private schools which routinely recommend redshirting even late spring birthdays due to their “unofficial” cutoffs.

Privates do it as its easier to teach older kids material meant for younger students. Around here, things like math are much slower in privates vs. public so you are really dumbing down your kid if you hold them back a year and they don't start algebra till 8/9th grade.