QANON/MAGA rally in Lansing, MI

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Anonymous wrote:While this group seemed to be MAGA cheerleaders, I think this is the tip of the iceberg in terms of escalating civil unrest and leaders would do best to pay attention. You can’t throw the country into a Depression without an adequate plan to protect the people most affected by it. For instance, people have lost their health insurance just when they may need it the most- what is being done for them? I keep reading articles that the economic collapse is “worse” than expected. Really? Who didn’t see this coming??

From the start the coronavirus response has been so haphazard and reactionary.

Remember, Trump and Bannan went into this with the "burn it all down, tear down the administrative state" mentality. Mnuchin made a fortune off the 2008 economic collapse. There is no plan. That is the point and the goal here.

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By your logic in response #1, only politicians you don’t like can subvert people’s Constitutional rights. That is completely irrational imo. The mistrust you have for Trump is the same mistrust a lot of people on the other side had for Obama. Politicians don’t get to annul the Bill of Rights and the Constitution based on how much half the country trusts them.

The difference is, people mistrust Trump because he has spent a lifetime as a borderline criminal who has told over 17,000 lies while in office. People mistrusted Obama because, well, you can guess.

Drone strikes against American citizens without a trial? Imprisoning journalists?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While this group seemed to be MAGA cheerleaders, I think this is the tip of the iceberg in terms of escalating civil unrest and leaders would do best to pay attention. You can’t throw the country into a Depression without an adequate plan to protect the people most affected by it. For instance, people have lost their health insurance just when they may need it the most- what is being done for them? I keep reading articles that the economic collapse is “worse” than expected. Really? Who didn’t see this coming??

From the start the coronavirus response has been so haphazard and reactionary.

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I've been saying this from the beginning. I think there will be civil unrest as this continues. Especially since clear plans aren't being given as to how and when things will reopen. I understand that we don't know exactly when things can reopen but people who are now jobless, stuck at home, with this economic stress do not care. They will reach a boiling point.

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By your logic in response #1, only politicians you don’t like can subvert people’s Constitutional rights. That is completely irrational imo. The mistrust you have for Trump is the same mistrust a lot of people on the other side had for Obama. Politicians don’t get to annul the Bill of Rights and the Constitution based on how much half the country trusts them.

The difference is, people mistrust Trump because he has spent a lifetime as a borderline criminal who has told over 17,000 lies while in office. People mistrusted Obama because, well, you can guess.

Drone strikes against American citizens without a trial? Imprisoning journalists?

Child's play compared to what Trump has done to the American public.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:While this group seemed to be MAGA cheerleaders, I think this is the tip of the iceberg in terms of escalating civil unrest and leaders would do best to pay attention. You can’t throw the country into a Depression without an adequate plan to protect the people most affected by it. For instance, people have lost their health insurance just when they may need it the most- what is being done for them? I keep reading articles that the economic collapse is “worse” than expected. Really? Who didn’t see this coming??

From the start the coronavirus response has been so haphazard and reactionary.

+1

I've been saying this from the beginning. I think there will be civil unrest as this continues. Especially since clear plans aren't being given as to how and when things will reopen. I understand that we don't know exactly when things can reopen but people who are now jobless, stuck at home, with this economic stress do not care. They will reach a boiling point.

Unless or until there is widespread testing/tracing and en eventual vaccine. We are stuck. Maybe if the executive branch had heeded the warnings and planned accordingly, we would be in a better place right now. If there is uncertain and unrest, directing it to the governors is misplaced. They are not the ones who develop and approved the tests. They are not the ones who develop and approve the vaccines.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s it at all surprising that so many of you will go out of your way to defend nonviolent civil disobedience unless it doesn’t meet your purpose.
You people are hypocrites.

Those morons just infected each other and will pass it on to MeeMa in their rural towns. They literally just spread the virus all over the state because they don't know how to practice self-discipline.

If they act like spoiled children, they should get the belt.

If Donald Trump instituted a nationwide ban on public assembly and protests until there were ZERO coronavirus deaths would you be okay with that? What if he bans voting this November because coronavirus will still be around?

Tyranny is always brought on and accepted by myopic dolts like you because of national emergencies. It’s the same reason Muslims were stripped naked, tortured and treated like dogs in Abu Ghraib after 9/11. Shame on people like you for criticizing people for exercising their First Amendment freedoms. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights don’t have stipulations that they should be suspended for a virus with a .5% to 2% mortality rate.

Imagine what kind of dystopian police state you all would accept for a virus with a 25% mortality rate. Events like these really make you realize how fragile our democracy and freedoms actually are.

Very well-said!!

A few things:

1. Part of the problem is most people don't trust Donald Trump to make decisions for the benefit of Americans instead of for his own vain gain. So if he issued an order of course we'd question and dissent. That's why he should have tried hard to build trust through, I don't know, telling the truth and acting in our interest during his first three years in office. He'd have more political capital now.

2. I agree there is a tension between freedom and safety with these stay at home orders that is very hard to navigate. Again, communities with trust are more receptive to these orders, and I feel ilke - to beat a dead horse - that's why it's so important to have leaders who act in our interest (and believe in science and sht like that).

3. It's real hard to know how the first amendment is going to bump up against social distancing requirements. We'll see some interesting litigation, I imagine.

By your logic in response #1, only politicians you don’t like can subvert people’s Constitutional rights. That is completely irrational imo. The mistrust you have for Trump is the same mistrust a lot of people on the other side had for Obama. Politicians don’t get to annul the Bill of Rights and the Constitution based on how much half the country trusts them.

Part of the problem with polarization in our country IS that there's almost by definition going to be a whole lot of mistrust. Politicians can try to tamp that down by behaving with integrity - I'd expect you would see more of a rally around the flag effect in that case. Or they can do as Trump has done, and really lean into what makes hi so disgusting and despicable and untrustworthy to so many of us. You can only say "don't believe what's before your own eyes" so many times before we just think you are a no class lying POS every time you open your mouth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While this group seemed to be MAGA cheerleaders, I think this is the tip of the iceberg in terms of escalating civil unrest and leaders would do best to pay attention. You can’t throw the country into a Depression without an adequate plan to protect the people most affected by it. For instance, people have lost their health insurance just when they may need it the most- what is being done for them? I keep reading articles that the economic collapse is “worse” than expected. Really? Who didn’t see this coming??

From the start the coronavirus response has been so haphazard and reactionary.

Some of the blue states have re-opened ACA enrollment, but Trump didn't want to do that for the federally backed ACA. However, if you lose insurance due to a job loss, that is considered a life change, and you can enroll in ACA.

It's all on the federal ACA website. Maybe those folks who are complaining about this live in red states where the state leaders want ACA to die so they don't make this well known?

https://www.healthcare.gov/have-job-based-coverage/if-you-lose-job-based-coverage/

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Anonymous wrote:It’s it at all surprising that so many of you will go out of your way to defend nonviolent civil disobedience unless it doesn’t meet your purpose.
You people are hypocrites.

Those morons just infected each other and will pass it on to MeeMa in their rural towns. They literally just spread the virus all over the state because they don't know how to practice self-discipline.

If they act like spoiled children, they should get the belt.

If Donald Trump instituted a nationwide ban on public assembly and protests until there were ZERO coronavirus deaths would you be okay with that? What if he bans voting this November because coronavirus will still be around?

Tyranny is always brought on and accepted by myopic dolts like you because of national emergencies. It’s the same reason Muslims were stripped naked, tortured and treated like dogs in Abu Ghraib after 9/11. Shame on people like you for criticizing people for exercising their First Amendment freedoms. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights don’t have stipulations that they should be suspended for a virus with a .5% to 2% mortality rate.

Imagine what kind of dystopian police state you all would accept for a virus with a 25% mortality rate. Events like these really make you realize how fragile our democracy and freedoms actually are.

Very well-said!!

A few things:

1. Part of the problem is most people don't trust Donald Trump to make decisions for the benefit of Americans instead of for his own vain gain. So if he issued an order of course we'd question and dissent. That's why he should have tried hard to build trust through, I don't know, telling the truth and acting in our interest during his first three years in office. He'd have more political capital now.

2. I agree there is a tension between freedom and safety with these stay at home orders that is very hard to navigate. Again, communities with trust are more receptive to these orders, and I feel ilke - to beat a dead horse - that's why it's so important to have leaders who act in our interest (and believe in science and sht like that).

3. It's real hard to know how the first amendment is going to bump up against social distancing requirements. We'll see some interesting litigation, I imagine.

By your logic in response #1, only politicians you don’t like can subvert people’s Constitutional rights. That is completely irrational imo. The mistrust you have for Trump is the same mistrust a lot of people on the other side had for Obama. Politicians don’t get to annul the Bill of Rights and the Constitution based on how much half the country trusts them.

Part of the problem with polarization in our country IS that there's almost by definition going to be a whole lot of mistrust. Politicians can try to tamp that down by behaving with integrity - I'd expect you would see more of a rally around the flag effect in that case. Or they can do as Trump has done, and really lean into what makes hi so disgusting and despicable and untrustworthy to so many of us. You can only say "don't believe what's before your own eyes" so many times before we just think you are a no class lying POS every time you open your mouth.

Also you are begging the question when you call what's happening now "subverting people's Constitutional rights." I don't think it is, though - as I said - I'll be interested to see how inevitable litigation does. Certainly, the perception of whether your rights are being subverted depends in part on whether you trust the person making you stay home. It's kind of a vicious circle. But just to answer the most extreme part of your contention - I do think, yes, people would be willing to temporarily give up some rights if a leader they trusted said it was the only way to protect everyone. Not trusting the leader makes people less willing to comply.

Trump screwed himself by screwing us, in other words.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While this group seemed to be MAGA cheerleaders, I think this is the tip of the iceberg in terms of escalating civil unrest and leaders would do best to pay attention. You can’t throw the country into a Depression without an adequate plan to protect the people most affected by it. For instance, people have lost their health insurance just when they may need it the most- what is being done for them? I keep reading articles that the economic collapse is “worse” than expected. Really? Who didn’t see this coming??

From the start the coronavirus response has been so haphazard and reactionary.

+1

I've been saying this from the beginning. I think there will be civil unrest as this continues. Especially since clear plans aren't being given as to how and when things will reopen. I understand that we don't know exactly when things can reopen but people who are now jobless, stuck at home, with this economic stress do not care. They will reach a boiling point.

This is what I've been saying as well. Protesters in Richmond today. Other states with small protests. If this continues without a plan or timeline to reopen, it will grow.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s it at all surprising that so many of you will go out of your way to defend nonviolent civil disobedience unless it doesn’t meet your purpose.
You people are hypocrites.

Those morons just infected each other and will pass it on to MeeMa in their rural towns. They literally just spread the virus all over the state because they don't know how to practice self-discipline.

If they act like spoiled children, they should get the belt.

If Donald Trump instituted a nationwide ban on public assembly and protests until there were ZERO coronavirus deaths would you be okay with that? What if he bans voting this November because coronavirus will still be around?

Tyranny is always brought on and accepted by myopic dolts like you because of national emergencies. It’s the same reason Muslims were stripped naked, tortured and treated like dogs in Abu Ghraib after 9/11. Shame on people like you for criticizing people for exercising their First Amendment freedoms. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights don’t have stipulations that they should be suspended for a virus with a .5% to 2% mortality rate.

Imagine what kind of dystopian police state you all would accept for a virus with a 25% mortality rate. Events like these really make you realize how fragile our democracy and freedoms actually are.

Very well-said!!

A few things:

1. Part of the problem is most people don't trust Donald Trump to make decisions for the benefit of Americans instead of for his own vain gain. So if he issued an order of course we'd question and dissent. That's why he should have tried hard to build trust through, I don't know, telling the truth and acting in our interest during his first three years in office. He'd have more political capital now.

2. I agree there is a tension between freedom and safety with these stay at home orders that is very hard to navigate. Again, communities with trust are more receptive to these orders, and I feel ilke - to beat a dead horse - that's why it's so important to have leaders who act in our interest (and believe in science and sht like that).

3. It's real hard to know how the first amendment is going to bump up against social distancing requirements. We'll see some interesting litigation, I imagine.

By your logic in response #1, only politicians you don’t like can subvert people’s Constitutional rights. That is completely irrational imo. The mistrust you have for Trump is the same mistrust a lot of people on the other side had for Obama. Politicians don’t get to annul the Bill of Rights and the Constitution based on how much half the country trusts them.

Part of the problem with polarization in our country IS that there's almost by definition going to be a whole lot of mistrust. Politicians can try to tamp that down by behaving with integrity - I'd expect you would see more of a rally around the flag effect in that case. Or they can do as Trump has done, and really lean into what makes hi so disgusting and despicable and untrustworthy to so many of us. You can only say "don't believe what's before your own eyes" so many times before we just think you are a no class lying POS every time you open your mouth.

Also you are begging the question when you call what's happening now "subverting people's Constitutional rights." I don't think it is, though - as I said - I'll be interested to see how inevitable litigation does. Certainly, the perception of whether your rights are being subverted depends in part on whether you trust the person making you stay home. It's kind of a vicious circle. But just to answer the most extreme part of your contention - I do think, yes, people would be willing to temporarily give up some rights if a leader they trusted said it was the only way to protect everyone. Not trusting the leader makes people less willing to comply.

Trump screwed himself by screwing us, in other words.

Good examples are Mike DeWine in Ohio or Hogan in Maryland. Democrats in those states have trusted them because he's generally been acting with integrity, relying on the scientists, not making farcical claims about the virus, and just handling this in a very serious and non-partisan manner. Republicans in those states are staying mum, because those Governors are seen as being on "their team."

But why are Republicans flipping out when Democrat governors take the same approaches as GOP Governors? My guess is that Republicans view Democrat rule as inherently illegitimate, even when Democrats are adopting the same exact policies as Republican leaders. I don't know how we fix this poisoned mindset among Republican voters. They seem to revel in spiting a policy solely because a Democrat is enforcing it, despite the Republican governor of the state next door doing the same thing.

In my view, Democrats have a significantly higher degree of social trust than Republicans. I don't know if this mistrust stems from a physiological condition, personal history, or merely projecting their own scheming ways onto others (eg., Republicans want to suppress others therefore assume everyone else will try to suppress them...which isn't true).

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This is what I've been saying as well. Protesters in Richmond today. Other states with small protests. If this continues without a plan or timeline to reopen, it will grow.

Trump has no plan or timeline. That IS his plan. He wants the unrest. He wants the civil disobedience. Let's start calling it for what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why racists love to carry around a confederate flag which Lincoln and the union soldiers kicked their butts? I mean it literally screams loser. I mean I know all these angry dumbass people are missing a gene but why carry a flag that means u r a loser?

I can’t explain it either. It’s odd. The Confederates believed in strong state powers and weaker federal power which is the opposite of what this group wants. I guess they are too stupid to see the irony.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s it at all surprising that so many of you will go out of your way to defend nonviolent civil disobedience unless it doesn’t meet your purpose.
You people are hypocrites.

Those morons just infected each other and will pass it on to MeeMa in their rural towns. They literally just spread the virus all over the state because they don't know how to practice self-discipline.

If they act like spoiled children, they should get the belt.

If Donald Trump instituted a nationwide ban on public assembly and protests until there were ZERO coronavirus deaths would you be okay with that? What if he bans voting this November because coronavirus will still be around?

Tyranny is always brought on and accepted by myopic dolts like you because of national emergencies. It’s the same reason Muslims were stripped naked, tortured and treated like dogs in Abu Ghraib after 9/11. Shame on people like you for criticizing people for exercising their First Amendment freedoms. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights don’t have stipulations that they should be suspended for a virus with a .5% to 2% mortality rate.

Imagine what kind of dystopian police state you all would accept for a virus with a 25% mortality rate. Events like these really make you realize how fragile our democracy and freedoms actually are.

Very well-said!!

I totally agree!

I agree in that they have the right to peacefully protest. The planned traffic jam was criminal. I assume the authorities have license numbers. The DMV can revoke the license plates. They revoke plates for street racing or if the plate has an offensive message. The plate holder gets a hearing to explain. I also think carrying a firearm to a peaceful protest makes it no longer peaceful and is an attempt to intimidate. Also taking a child to this rally without a mask is child endangerment.

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By your logic in response #1, only politicians you don’t like can subvert people’s Constitutional rights. That is completely irrational imo. The mistrust you have for Trump is the same mistrust a lot of people on the other side had for Obama. Politicians don’t get to annul the Bill of Rights and the Constitution based on how much half the country trusts them.

The difference is, people mistrust Trump because he has spent a lifetime as a borderline criminal who has told over 17,000 lies while in office. People mistrusted Obama because, well, you can guess.

Drone strikes against American citizens without a trial? Imprisoning journalists?

Trump has done ALL of that!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While this group seemed to be MAGA cheerleaders, I think this is the tip of the iceberg in terms of escalating civil unrest and leaders would do best to pay attention. You can’t throw the country into a Depression without an adequate plan to protect the people most affected by it. For instance, people have lost their health insurance just when they may need it the most- what is being done for them? I keep reading articles that the economic collapse is “worse” than expected. Really? Who didn’t see this coming??

From the start the coronavirus response has been so haphazard and reactionary.

+1

I've been saying this from the beginning. I think there will be civil unrest as this continues. Especially since clear plans aren't being given as to how and when things will reopen. I understand that we don't know exactly when things can reopen but people who are now jobless, stuck at home, with this economic stress do not care. They will reach a boiling point.

Sounds like governors who want to stick it to Trump are going to have a mutiny on their hands.