Republican activist organizes clean up in W. Baltimore

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why do you keep screaming us about these nice republicans who did something good?

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Anonymous wrote:Good on him. He, and the other volunteers from surrounding states, are good people. Too bad *actual residents* of Baltimore didn't feel the need to help clean up their own city.

What are you reading?

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/scott-presler-volunteers-cleanup-trash-west-baltimore-president-donald-trump/28611545#

"The cleanup was attended, in large part, by supporters of President Donald Trump."

So interesting that it took Trump supporters to organize, mobilize, and PAY for this enormous cleanup. They paid for porta-potties, dumpsters, equipment, etc. - to clean up a city they don't even live in.

You are so gullible if you believe this was done for anything but political purposes. This guy is getting a whole bunch of attention he never would have gotten otherwise.

And Cummings could have organized something similar. More easily than an out-of-state nobody. Local Baltimore politicians could have organized something similar.

They didn't. This Trump supporting guy did.

Cummings has a full time job and a lot of responsibilities on his plate already. He could not have organized something similar more easily than an out of state nobody.

He doesn't have a staff? He has time to speechify and yammer on about all sorts of things, but not enough time to - while yelling back at Trump - give one of his minions a note saying "get trash cleanup in those alleys! That's a health risk!"

That's sad. Maybe he should retire if he's incapable of doing that. Maybe local Baltimoreans will stop electing people who have no interest in helping them.

That's not their job. And if that's the standard you use for when a politician should retire, then they all should retire. Including, and especially, Trump, with all of his health code violations in Mar a Lago. Why are you focused exclusively on Cummings?

It is one of the job duties of Congressional Representatives to serve the interests of their constituents.

Cummings has used West Baltimore to get money. He could certainly use a little bit of his influence to help out the people who elect him so they aren't living in filth.

I mean, Cummings is already doing things to help out his constituents, but he's not superman. But if you're going to use that to criticize him, than Trump is even more culpable, since everyone is his constituent.

Cummings has been soliciting money using West Baltimore as a reason for decades. He is culpable.

But if your standard for behavior is Trump, then you must be thrilled with all of our politicians since that's an incredibly low bar.

This conversation is about how it took a Republican activist to clean up trash, that everyone knew was there for ages. In a Democratic stronghold. That Trump and Cummings both felt all that was needed was arguing on twitter and speechifying about it.

I'm thankful for that Republican activist. And I'm disappointed in my politicians.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

They did a great service. But the organizers are incapable of acting in a non political way. So it became (or always was) a political stunt.

Once again, for the slow among us - the organizer made a point of calling this "Americans for Americans". He did not tie this cleanup to any kind of political rally. It's LIBERALS who can't let go of the fact that he is a Trump supporter. YOU'RE the ones making this political - not him.

I admire your pretzel-like reading comprehension.

I don't admire your inability to be grateful to these people for doing a service that no one else was willing to do. Pretty shameful.

Why do you think I'm not grateful? I've said several times that they did a good thing.

They were unable to take politics out of their service. We're talking about it on the Politics forum, not Off Topic. Because it was political.

It's political because the politicians have failed West Baltimore. Repeatedly.

The young man from PA didn't do that. He saw a need and he stepped in.

Perhaps Democrats should revisit their view of how helpful government can be, and in what ways government can help its people, and rework some things. Because it's surely failed here.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s nice that he made an effort and all, but a one-time clean-up doesn’t address the systemic issues (poverty, etc.) that leads to the situation in the first place.

No. Poverty doesn't lead to trash in the streets. You can be poor and know to not throw trash in the street. It's a complete lack of respect that leads to the mess.

Actually the global, universal indicator of poverty IS trash and litter strewn everywhere.

Doesn’t matter if it’s an alley in Baltimore, an Indian reservation in Arizona, virtually anywhere in Mexico, most population centers in Africa, Russia, India, or Southeast Asia... wherever you find poor people, you will find litter.

It stems from hopelessness, and simply not caring. That’s what poverty does to the human spirit. Litter is a symptom of that.

It requires ZERO effort to put something in the trash or simply not throw it in the ground where it will be unsightly. Yet that’s exactly what happens. Why? Because what’s the point of keeping wherever you are tidy if you have no hope for anything.

Then how do you explain the dirt-poor neighborhoods of two decades back, where poor people kept everything nice and tidy? They had pride in their home, and in their neighborhood, even though they didn't have a penny to spare. What was different about 70 years ago as compared to now?

You are really embellishing history. Dirt poor neighborhoods have always been run down.

That's not true. And what do you mean by "run-down"? You mean old buildings in need of repair, or piles of garbage lining the streets? If it's the latter, I can assure you that there were many poor neighborhoods where you didn't see a scrap of trash on the curb. People had pride in where they lived.

Because they were working poor, not dirt poor, not hopeless. Working.

You are equating them. That's your misunderstanding, not mine.

No, you're making excuses.

I'm talking about NY neighborhoods during the Depression - and that was dirt-poor, not working poor. They weren't working. No jobs. I have a photo of my mother as a baby, around 1933 or 1934, and you can see clear down the street all the way to the elevated subway tracks. There isn't one single piece of trash in the curbs, or on the little walks in front of the tenement houses. So why did poor people in the 1930s and 1940s keep their neighborhoods clean, and now poor people trash up where they live?

Ah, the good old days of the Great Depression...

Ask your grandparents if they were hopeless. Or if they were hardscrabble.

Well, I can't ask my grandparents anything, anymore. May they RIP.

But they were no better off - and most likely, much worse off - during the Depression than the poor people in today's Baltimore, and still they didn't lose hope. They emphasized study and school for their children, and all of them went on to graduate from college. So why were my grandparents not hopeless, in the face of the worst economic situation in modern American history, and today's poor, with benefits such as food stamps, free lunches for the kids, Medicaid, etc., etc.,, too hopeless to pick up their own garbage?

Situational poverty such as during the Depression is very different from systemic, multi-generational poverty. If you don’t understand that, you fundamentally don’t understand poverty.

Also, there absolutely were littered impoverished neighborhoods during the Depression.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

They did a great service. But the organizers are incapable of acting in a non political way. So it became (or always was) a political stunt.

Once again, for the slow among us - the organizer made a point of calling this "Americans for Americans". He did not tie this cleanup to any kind of political rally. It's LIBERALS who can't let go of the fact that he is a Trump supporter. YOU'RE the ones making this political - not him.

I admire your pretzel-like reading comprehension.

I don't admire your inability to be grateful to these people for doing a service that no one else was willing to do. Pretty shameful.

Why do you think I'm not grateful? I've said several times that they did a good thing.

They were unable to take politics out of their service. We're talking about it on the Politics forum, not Off Topic. Because it was political.

It's political because the politicians have failed West Baltimore. Repeatedly.

The young man from PA didn't do that. He saw a need and he stepped in.

Perhaps Democrats should revisit their view of how helpful government can be, and in what ways government can help its people, and rework some things. Because it's surely failed here.

It's incredibly arrogant of you to think the only thing the people of west Baltimore need is some trash removal.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

Wtf? This is a political forum. No one is sick or obsessed for discussing politics here.

You are sick and obsessed with politics for insisting this cleanup was a "political stunt". I guess if it had been a bunch of Democrats cleaning it up (which is most definitely was NOT, btw), you wouldn't have considered that a political stunt. Face it, you are just outraged that a Trump supporter mobilized all these volunteers to clean up an area that Dems weren't about to touch.

It was a political stunt. The organizer's own Twitter bio states: "Hi, I'm Scott. I spent 2 years of my life working to defeat Hillary / If each of us registers 5 new Republican voters, Trump wins in 2020!" You are the one who's sick and obsessed for trying to gaslight.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

They did a great service. But the organizers are incapable of acting in a non political way. So it became (or always was) a political stunt.

Once again, for the slow among us - the organizer made a point of calling this "Americans for Americans". He did not tie this cleanup to any kind of political rally. It's LIBERALS who can't let go of the fact that he is a Trump supporter. YOU'RE the ones making this political - not him.

I admire your pretzel-like reading comprehension.

I don't admire your inability to be grateful to these people for doing a service that no one else was willing to do. Pretty shameful.

Why do you think I'm not grateful? I've said several times that they did a good thing.

They were unable to take politics out of their service. We're talking about it on the Politics forum, not Off Topic. Because it was political.

It's political because the politicians have failed West Baltimore. Repeatedly.

The young man from PA didn't do that. He saw a need and he stepped in.

Perhaps Democrats should revisit their view of how helpful government can be, and in what ways government can help its people, and rework some things. Because it's surely failed here.

It's incredibly arrogant of you to think the only thing the people of west Baltimore need is some trash removal.

It's incredibly stupid of you to say I said things I never said.

I get that you're really upset that a republican did a good thing for people who democrats have failed.

That speaks volumes about who you are as a person.

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Since some of you Democrats are apparently angry that someone from the other team stole your thunder, let it be known there remains a lot of trash in Baltimore. If you need specific streets so you can google map directions, let me know. I'm in Baltimore every single day and can give you tips on places that need help.

And if you don't want to pick up trash, there are a tons of other things you can do, as well. Or, you can keep complaining about how someone "politicized" their help. And how Trump was a jerk for calling out Cummings.

Since someone's bound to try to make a snarky remark, here's where I'll say I do litter clean up on my street and when I'm out for walks already. And I also volunteer in other ways. But there's enough need that every single one of you could fill up your spare time easily. You just have to jump in.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

They did a great service. But the organizers are incapable of acting in a non political way. So it became (or always was) a political stunt.

Once again, for the slow among us - the organizer made a point of calling this "Americans for Americans". He did not tie this cleanup to any kind of political rally. It's LIBERALS who can't let go of the fact that he is a Trump supporter. YOU'RE the ones making this political - not him.

I admire your pretzel-like reading comprehension.

I don't admire your inability to be grateful to these people for doing a service that no one else was willing to do. Pretty shameful.

Why do you think I'm not grateful? I've said several times that they did a good thing.

They were unable to take politics out of their service. We're talking about it on the Politics forum, not Off Topic. Because it was political.

It's political because the politicians have failed West Baltimore. Repeatedly.

The young man from PA didn't do that. He saw a need and he stepped in.

Perhaps Democrats should revisit their view of how helpful government can be, and in what ways government can help its people, and rework some things. Because it's surely failed here.

It's incredibly arrogant of you to think the only thing the people of west Baltimore need is some trash removal.

It's incredibly stupid of you to say I said things I never said.

I get that you're really upset that a republican did a good thing for people who democrats have failed.

That speaks volumes about who you are as a person.

That's exactly what you said. You said the government failed the people on the basis of some trash in the streets, and that this guy swooped in and cleaned it all up and became their savior. Maybe you live a life of privilege, but for the rest of us, our lives have more complexities than trash in the streets being the main concern. It was a nice thing for him to do, but it doesn't give you the right to slime the city government or their representative in congress.

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An awful lot of people here would really benefit from some time as a Girl Scout. Part of the GS program is the “Take Action” projects, which teach kids that while a one-off community service activity may be nice, it doesn’t really change anything. If you want to change the world, you have to do something that goes to the source of the problem so you hopefully can have a more lasting impact. So to take an example from the Daisy program (K and 1st grade), you don’t earn a badge just because you spent a couple hours cleaning up trash at a local park (because that lasts only as long as it takes for someone to litter again), but you do earn a badge if you make permanent signs to post in high-litter areas of the park informing people where the nearest trash can is (because that might prompt people who would otherwise litter to find the trashcan instead, which improves things even after you leave the park).

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Anonymous wrote:Since some of you Democrats are apparently angry that someone from the other team stole your thunder, let it be known there remains a lot of trash in Baltimore. If you need specific streets so you can google map directions, let me know. I'm in Baltimore every single day and can give you tips on places that need help.

And if you don't want to pick up trash, there are a tons of other things you can do, as well. Or, you can keep complaining about how someone "politicized" their help. And how Trump was a jerk for calling out Cummings.

Since someone's bound to try to make a snarky remark, here's where I'll say I do litter clean up on my street and when I'm out for walks already. And I also volunteer in other ways. But there's enough need that every single one of you could fill up your spare time easily. You just have to jump in.

Well said.
Hopefully others will follow his lead.

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Anonymous wrote:An awful lot of people here would really benefit from some time as a Girl Scout. Part of the GS program is the “Take Action” projects, which teach kids that while a one-off community service activity may be nice, it doesn’t really change anything. If you want to change the world, you have to do something that goes to the source of the problem so you hopefully can have a more lasting impact. So to take an example from the Daisy program (K and 1st grade), you don’t earn a badge just because you spent a couple hours cleaning up trash at a local park (because that lasts only as long as it takes for someone to litter again), but you do earn a badge if you make permanent signs to post in high-litter areas of the park informing people where the nearest trash can is (because that might prompt people who would otherwise litter to find the trashcan instead, which improves things even after you leave the park).

Good idea. And, as a bonus, you won't have to intertwine your service with advocacy for Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

They did a great service. But the organizers are incapable of acting in a non political way. So it became (or always was) a political stunt.

Once again, for the slow among us - the organizer made a point of calling this "Americans for Americans". He did not tie this cleanup to any kind of political rally. It's LIBERALS who can't let go of the fact that he is a Trump supporter. YOU'RE the ones making this political - not him.

I admire your pretzel-like reading comprehension.

I don't admire your inability to be grateful to these people for doing a service that no one else was willing to do. Pretty shameful.

Why do you think I'm not grateful? I've said several times that they did a good thing.

They were unable to take politics out of their service. We're talking about it on the Politics forum, not Off Topic. Because it was political.

It's political because the politicians have failed West Baltimore. Repeatedly.

The young man from PA didn't do that. He saw a need and he stepped in.

Perhaps Democrats should revisit their view of how helpful government can be, and in what ways government can help its people, and rework some things. Because it's surely failed here.

It's incredibly arrogant of you to think the only thing the people of west Baltimore need is some trash removal.

It's incredibly stupid of you to say I said things I never said.

I get that you're really upset that a republican did a good thing for people who democrats have failed.

That speaks volumes about who you are as a person.

That's exactly what you said. You said the government failed the people on the basis of some trash in the streets, and that this guy swooped in and cleaned it all up and became their savior. Maybe you live a life of privilege, but for the rest of us, our lives have more complexities than trash in the streets being the main concern. It was a nice thing for him to do, but it doesn't give you the right to slime the city government or their representative in congress.

I'll quote myself, since you're having trouble reading:

"It's political because the politicians have failed West Baltimore. Repeatedly."

There is no "on the basis of some trash in the streets" there. Not even in invisible ink.

Keep on putting words in other people's mouths so you can avoid taking responsibility for you and yours, and seeing the truth when it's smacking you in the face. You're telling everyone exactly who you are.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

They did a great service. But the organizers are incapable of acting in a non political way. So it became (or always was) a political stunt.

Once again, for the slow among us - the organizer made a point of calling this "Americans for Americans". He did not tie this cleanup to any kind of political rally. It's LIBERALS who can't let go of the fact that he is a Trump supporter. YOU'RE the ones making this political - not him.

I admire your pretzel-like reading comprehension.

I don't admire your inability to be grateful to these people for doing a service that no one else was willing to do. Pretty shameful.

Why do you think I'm not grateful? I've said several times that they did a good thing.

They were unable to take politics out of their service. We're talking about it on the Politics forum, not Off Topic. Because it was political.

It's political because the politicians have failed West Baltimore. Repeatedly.

The young man from PA didn't do that. He saw a need and he stepped in.

Perhaps Democrats should revisit their view of how helpful government can be, and in what ways government can help its people, and rework some things. Because it's surely failed here.

It's incredibly arrogant of you to think the only thing the people of west Baltimore need is some trash removal.

JFC. That’s not what the PP said or implied. But they have to start somewhere, and the obvious place would be to clean up their filthy and unhealthy living environment. If you can’t even acknowledge that basic fact, and give credit to the volunteers who actually went in and did hours of hard, dirty work, then the problem is entirely yours. Seek help.
-DP

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Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

Wtf? This is a political forum. No one is sick or obsessed for discussing politics here.

You are sick and obsessed with politics for insisting this cleanup was a "political stunt". I guess if it had been a bunch of Democrats cleaning it up (which is most definitely was NOT, btw), you wouldn't have considered that a political stunt. Face it, you are just outraged that a Trump supporter mobilized all these volunteers to clean up an area that Dems weren't about to touch.

It was a political stunt. The organizer's own Twitter bio states: "Hi, I'm Scott. I spent 2 years of my life working to defeat Hillary / If each of us registers 5 new Republican voters, Trump wins in 2020!" You are the one who's sick and obsessed for trying to gaslight.

Oh, please! What do Dems on this forum and elsewhere constantly talk about? Registering new voters! Gotta get the vote out! Gotta win in 2020! And if a group of Dems had organized this cleanup, you’d be singing their praises and don’t even try to deny it. You are just incredibly bitter that it WASN’T the Dems who came up with this plan and actually followed through. Get over yourself and be thankful that *someone* actually stepped in to help - even if it wasn’t Democrats or any local leadership.