Republican activist organizes clean up in W. Baltimore

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Anonymous wrote:It’s nice that he made an effort and all, but a one-time clean-up doesn’t address the systemic issues (poverty, etc.) that leads to the situation in the first place.

No. Poverty doesn't lead to trash in the streets. You can be poor and know to not throw trash in the street. It's a complete lack of respect that leads to the mess.

Actually the global, universal indicator of poverty IS trash and litter strewn everywhere.

Doesn’t matter if it’s an alley in Baltimore, an Indian reservation in Arizona, virtually anywhere in Mexico, most population centers in Africa, Russia, India, or Southeast Asia... wherever you find poor people, you will find litter.

It stems from hopelessness, and simply not caring. That’s what poverty does to the human spirit. Litter is a symptom of that.

It requires ZERO effort to put something in the trash or simply not throw it in the ground where it will be unsightly. Yet that’s exactly what happens. Why? Because what’s the point of keeping wherever you are tidy if you have no hope for anything.

Then how do you explain the dirt-poor neighborhoods of two decades back, where poor people kept everything nice and tidy? They had pride in their home, and in their neighborhood, even though they didn't have a penny to spare. What was different about 70 years ago as compared to now?

You are really embellishing history. Dirt poor neighborhoods have always been run down.

Stop making excuses for poor people who litter their own neighborhoods. It hasn't always been like that.

There wasn't always so much disposable crap. Now consumer goods are cheap (to buy and cheaply made) and EVERYONE throws tons of stuff out. The difference is some neighborhoods have people who live places a long time, have storage, have ways of disposal (reliable trash, cars to haul things to Goodwill), and poor neighborhoods have people moving in and out all the time who can't afford moving services or cleaning services and are going to just leave things that are broken or unusable that then just get tossed by the next person, who isn't responsible and doesn't have the means to dispose of them. 40 or 70 years ago this didn't happen because people didn't have a ton of cheap appliances and cheap furniture and cheap clothes and tons of cardboard boxes and plastic containers and styrofoam packing. They also didn't move as much--the population is more mobile than it used to be.

OMG, the excuses. It never ends.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s nice that he made an effort and all, but a one-time clean-up doesn’t address the systemic issues (poverty, etc.) that leads to the situation in the first place.

No. Poverty doesn't lead to trash in the streets. You can be poor and know to not throw trash in the street. It's a complete lack of respect that leads to the mess.

Actually the global, universal indicator of poverty IS trash and litter strewn everywhere.

Doesn’t matter if it’s an alley in Baltimore, an Indian reservation in Arizona, virtually anywhere in Mexico, most population centers in Africa, Russia, India, or Southeast Asia... wherever you find poor people, you will find litter.

It stems from hopelessness, and simply not caring. That’s what poverty does to the human spirit. Litter is a symptom of that.

It requires ZERO effort to put something in the trash or simply not throw it in the ground where it will be unsightly. Yet that’s exactly what happens. Why? Because what’s the point of keeping wherever you are tidy if you have no hope for anything.

Then how do you explain the dirt-poor neighborhoods of two decades back, where poor people kept everything nice and tidy? They had pride in their home, and in their neighborhood, even though they didn't have a penny to spare. What was different about 70 years ago as compared to now?

You are really embellishing history. Dirt poor neighborhoods have always been run down.

That's not true. And what do you mean by "run-down"? You mean old buildings in need of repair, or piles of garbage lining the streets? If it's the latter, I can assure you that there were many poor neighborhoods where you didn't see a scrap of trash on the curb. People had pride in where they lived.

Because they were working poor, not dirt poor, not hopeless. Working.

You are equating them. That's your misunderstanding, not mine.

No, you're making excuses.

I'm talking about NY neighborhoods during the Depression - and that was dirt-poor, not working poor. They weren't working. No jobs. I have a photo of my mother as a baby, around 1933 or 1934, and you can see clear down the street all the way to the elevated subway tracks. There isn't one single piece of trash in the curbs, or on the little walks in front of the tenement houses. So why did poor people in the 1930s and 1940s keep their neighborhoods clean, and now poor people trash up where they live?

Ah, the good old days of the Great Depression...

Ask your grandparents if they were hopeless. Or if they were hardscrabble.

Well, I can't ask my grandparents anything, anymore. May they RIP.

But they were no better off - and most likely, much worse off - during the Depression than the poor people in today's Baltimore, and still they didn't lose hope. They emphasized study and school for their children, and all of them went on to graduate from college. So why were my grandparents not hopeless, in the face of the worst economic situation in modern American history, and today's poor, with benefits such as food stamps, free lunches for the kids, Medicaid, etc., etc.,, too hopeless to pick up their own garbage?

Well said. Prepare for some idiotic lecture, full of excuses.

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Anonymous wrote:Good on him. He, and the other volunteers from surrounding states, are good people. Too bad *actual residents* of Baltimore didn't feel the need to help clean up their own city.

What are you reading?

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/scott-presler-volunteers-cleanup-trash-west-baltimore-president-donald-trump/28611545#

"The cleanup was attended, in large part, by supporters of President Donald Trump."

So interesting that it took Trump supporters to organize, mobilize, and PAY for this enormous cleanup. They paid for porta-potties, dumpsters, equipment, etc. - to clean up a city they don't even live in.

You are so gullible if you believe this was done for anything but political purposes. This guy is getting a whole bunch of attention he never would have gotten otherwise.

And Cummings could have organized something similar. More easily than an out-of-state nobody. Local Baltimore politicians could have organized something similar.

They didn't. This Trump supporting guy did.

Yes. And this is why the DCUM liberals are trying to twist this into a negative.

Democrats. Sheesh.

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I wish the guy who organized this would run for office. He's obviously someone who can get things done.

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Anonymous wrote:Good on him. He, and the other volunteers from surrounding states, are good people. Too bad *actual residents* of Baltimore didn't feel the need to help clean up their own city.

What are you reading?

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/scott-presler-volunteers-cleanup-trash-west-baltimore-president-donald-trump/28611545#

"The cleanup was attended, in large part, by supporters of President Donald Trump."

So interesting that it took Trump supporters to organize, mobilize, and PAY for this enormous cleanup. They paid for porta-potties, dumpsters, equipment, etc. - to clean up a city they don't even live in.

You are so gullible if you believe this was done for anything but political purposes. This guy is getting a whole bunch of attention he never would have gotten otherwise.

And Cummings could have organized something similar. More easily than an out-of-state nobody. Local Baltimore politicians could have organized something similar.

They didn't. This Trump supporting guy did.

Cummings has a full time job and a lot of responsibilities on his plate already. He could not have organized something similar more easily than an out of state nobody.

You people! Wow, excuse after excuse. Funny how all those volunteers - from out of state, no less - managed to show up on a work day.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does he have to be a republican? Why can’t we just be a guy helping?

He was. But him being a republican sticks in the craw of a lot of democrats who have bought the line that republicans are evil and only evil.

And republicans have an interest in pointing out that individuals can do things that government fails to do, since that's a philosophical underpinning of their party. It helps when it's in a democratic stronghold since democrats argue that government is best suited to taking care of these problems.

This. And he's not just a Republican - he's a Trump supporter. The nerve!!!

Wouldn't it have been nice if local Baltimore leadership had sent garbage trucks over to help? Nope, none of this was paid for by anyone but private citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:Good on him. He, and the other volunteers from surrounding states, are good people. Too bad *actual residents* of Baltimore didn't feel the need to help clean up their own city.

What are you reading?

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/scott-presler-volunteers-cleanup-trash-west-baltimore-president-donald-trump/28611545#

"The cleanup was attended, in large part, by supporters of President Donald Trump."

So interesting that it took Trump supporters to organize, mobilize, and PAY for this enormous cleanup. They paid for porta-potties, dumpsters, equipment, etc. - to clean up a city they don't even live in.

You are so gullible if you believe this was done for anything but political purposes. This guy is getting a whole bunch of attention he never would have gotten otherwise.

And Cummings could have organized something similar. More easily than an out-of-state nobody. Local Baltimore politicians could have organized something similar.

They didn't. This Trump supporting guy did.

Cummings has a full time job and a lot of responsibilities on his plate already. He could not have organized something similar more easily than an out of state nobody.

He doesn't have a staff? He has time to speechify and yammer on about all sorts of things, but not enough time to - while yelling back at Trump - give one of his minions a note saying "get trash cleanup in those alleys! That's a health risk!"

That's sad. Maybe he should retire if he's incapable of doing that. Maybe local Baltimoreans will stop electing people who have no interest in helping them.

That's not their job. And if that's the standard you use for when a politician should retire, then they all should retire. Including, and especially, Trump, with all of his health code violations in Mar a Lago. Why are you focused exclusively on Cummings?

It is one of the job duties of Congressional Representatives to serve the interests of their constituents.

Cummings has used West Baltimore to get money. He could certainly use a little bit of his influence to help out the people who elect him so they aren't living in filth.

I mean, Cummings is already doing things to help out his constituents, but he's not superman. But if you're going to use that to criticize him, than Trump is even more culpable, since everyone is his constituent.

You do realize that Trump calling attention to the hellish conditions in this part of Baltimore is EXACTLY what led to this cleanup, right? And yet, he was vilified for doing so. There is absolutely no winning with people who refuse to give credit where it's due.

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Anonymous wrote:Good on him. He, and the other volunteers from surrounding states, are good people. Too bad *actual residents* of Baltimore didn't feel the need to help clean up their own city.

What are you reading?

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/scott-presler-volunteers-cleanup-trash-west-baltimore-president-donald-trump/28611545#

"The cleanup was attended, in large part, by supporters of President Donald Trump."

So interesting that it took Trump supporters to organize, mobilize, and PAY for this enormous cleanup. They paid for porta-potties, dumpsters, equipment, etc. - to clean up a city they don't even live in.

You are so gullible if you believe this was done for anything but political purposes. This guy is getting a whole bunch of attention he never would have gotten otherwise.

And Cummings could have organized something similar. More easily than an out-of-state nobody. Local Baltimore politicians could have organized something similar.

They didn't. This Trump supporting guy did.

Cummings has a full time job and a lot of responsibilities on his plate already. He could not have organized something similar more easily than an out of state nobody.

He doesn't have a staff? He has time to speechify and yammer on about all sorts of things, but not enough time to - while yelling back at Trump - give one of his minions a note saying "get trash cleanup in those alleys! That's a health risk!"

That's sad. Maybe he should retire if he's incapable of doing that. Maybe local Baltimoreans will stop electing people who have no interest in helping them.

That's not their job. And if that's the standard you use for when a politician should retire, then they all should retire. Including, and especially, Trump, with all of his health code violations in Mar a Lago. Why are you focused exclusively on Cummings?

It is one of the job duties of Congressional Representatives to serve the interests of their constituents.

Cummings has used West Baltimore to get money. He could certainly use a little bit of his influence to help out the people who elect him so they aren't living in filth.

I mean, Cummings is already doing things to help out his constituents, but he's not superman. But if you're going to use that to criticize him, than Trump is even more culpable, since everyone is his constituent.

You do realize that Trump calling attention to the hellish conditions in this part of Baltimore is EXACTLY what led to this cleanup, right? And yet, he was vilified for doing so. There is absolutely no winning with people who refuse to give credit where it's due.

Uh, thanks Trump?

Really?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

They did a great service. But the organizers are incapable of acting in a non political way. So it became (or always was) a political stunt.

Once again, for the slow among us - the organizer made a point of calling this "Americans for Americans". He did not tie this cleanup to any kind of political rally. It's LIBERALS who can't let go of the fact that he is a Trump supporter. YOU'RE the ones making this political - not him.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

Wtf? This is a political forum. No one is sick or obsessed for discussing politics here.

You are sick and obsessed with politics for insisting this cleanup was a "political stunt". I guess if it had been a bunch of Democrats cleaning it up (which is most definitely was NOT, btw), you wouldn't have considered that a political stunt. Face it, you are just outraged that a Trump supporter mobilized all these volunteers to clean up an area that Dems weren't about to touch.

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Anonymous wrote:Good on him. He, and the other volunteers from surrounding states, are good people. Too bad *actual residents* of Baltimore didn't feel the need to help clean up their own city.

What are you reading?

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/scott-presler-volunteers-cleanup-trash-west-baltimore-president-donald-trump/28611545#

"The cleanup was attended, in large part, by supporters of President Donald Trump."

So interesting that it took Trump supporters to organize, mobilize, and PAY for this enormous cleanup. They paid for porta-potties, dumpsters, equipment, etc. - to clean up a city they don't even live in.

You are so gullible if you believe this was done for anything but political purposes. This guy is getting a whole bunch of attention he never would have gotten otherwise.

And Cummings could have organized something similar. More easily than an out-of-state nobody. Local Baltimore politicians could have organized something similar.

They didn't. This Trump supporting guy did.

Cummings has a full time job and a lot of responsibilities on his plate already. He could not have organized something similar more easily than an out of state nobody.

He doesn't have a staff? He has time to speechify and yammer on about all sorts of things, but not enough time to - while yelling back at Trump - give one of his minions a note saying "get trash cleanup in those alleys! That's a health risk!"

That's sad. Maybe he should retire if he's incapable of doing that. Maybe local Baltimoreans will stop electing people who have no interest in helping them.

That's not their job. And if that's the standard you use for when a politician should retire, then they all should retire. Including, and especially, Trump, with all of his health code violations in Mar a Lago. Why are you focused exclusively on Cummings?

It is one of the job duties of Congressional Representatives to serve the interests of their constituents.

Cummings has used West Baltimore to get money. He could certainly use a little bit of his influence to help out the people who elect him so they aren't living in filth.

I mean, Cummings is already doing things to help out his constituents, but he's not superman. But if you're going to use that to criticize him, than Trump is even more culpable, since everyone is his constituent.

You do realize that Trump calling attention to the hellish conditions in this part of Baltimore is EXACTLY what led to this cleanup, right? And yet, he was vilified for doing so. There is absolutely no winning with people who refuse to give credit where it's due.

Uh, thanks Trump?

Really?

Yes, really. Do you think those neighborhoods and alleyways would be clean today had he not tweeted about it? Nope. But sure, blame him now that hundreds of people who don't even live there showed up to haul away garbage. You are pathetic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

They did a great service. But the organizers are incapable of acting in a non political way. So it became (or always was) a political stunt.

Once again, for the slow among us - the organizer made a point of calling this "Americans for Americans". He did not tie this cleanup to any kind of political rally. It's LIBERALS who can't let go of the fact that he is a Trump supporter. YOU'RE the ones making this political - not him.

I admire your pretzel-like reading comprehension.

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Anonymous wrote:So, people here were asking when the next one will be.........

This tweet this morning......... Maybe this has started a movement tied to action.


https://twitter.com/ScottPresler/status/1158723311335071745
#ThePersistence
@ScottPresler
I'm getting messages from people all over the country wanting to start cleanups in their local cities.

We did something very special in Baltimore yesterday -- it's having a nationwide effect.

Wow, nobody ever ever ever before tried to do anything to support Baltimore!

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.metro&metroid=7&linkback=1

What about basic hygiene and safe living conditions? Where's the charity for that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

They did a great service. But the organizers are incapable of acting in a non political way. So it became (or always was) a political stunt.

Once again, for the slow among us - the organizer made a point of calling this "Americans for Americans". He did not tie this cleanup to any kind of political rally. It's LIBERALS who can't let go of the fact that he is a Trump supporter. YOU'RE the ones making this political - not him.

I admire your pretzel-like reading comprehension.

I don't admire your inability to be grateful to these people for doing a service that no one else was willing to do. Pretty shameful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

They did a great service. But the organizers are incapable of acting in a non political way. So it became (or always was) a political stunt.

Once again, for the slow among us - the organizer made a point of calling this "Americans for Americans". He did not tie this cleanup to any kind of political rally. It's LIBERALS who can't let go of the fact that he is a Trump supporter. YOU'RE the ones making this political - not him.

I admire your pretzel-like reading comprehension.

I don't admire your inability to be grateful to these people for doing a service that no one else was willing to do. Pretty shameful.

Why do you think I'm not grateful? I've said several times that they did a good thing.

They were unable to take politics out of their service. We're talking about it on the Politics forum, not Off Topic. Because it was political.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would someone doing community service turn into people bashing people? Get your gloves on and help, whatever your politics.

It's a political stunt disguised as community service.

You are sick and obsessed with politics. This group of volunteers did a great service and you can’t stand it.

They did a great service. But the organizers are incapable of acting in a non political way. So it became (or always was) a political stunt.

Once again, for the slow among us - the organizer made a point of calling this "Americans for Americans". He did not tie this cleanup to any kind of political rally. It's LIBERALS who can't let go of the fact that he is a Trump supporter. YOU'RE the ones making this political - not him.

I admire your pretzel-like reading comprehension.

I don't admire your inability to be grateful to these people for doing a service that no one else was willing to do. Pretty shameful.

Why do you think I'm not grateful? I've said several times that they did a good thing.

They were unable to take politics out of their service. We're talking about it on the Politics forum, not Off Topic. Because it was political.

Exactly how did they make it political? Especially compared to how liberals are making it political? What would you have preferred? And if it was political, then where were the cleanups led by Democrats?