Hoax: Hate crime attackers: "This is MAGA country."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Based on the reported facts, the subject line of this thread is correct.

So, according to the article, he was on the phone during the attack:

Brandon Z. Moore, Smollett's music manager, said he was on the phone with the actor when he heard some of the attack, and heard the words "MAGA country." "I heard that clearly. I heard the scuffle and I heard the racial slur," Moore told Variety.

The subject line is accurate based on this bit of evidence . . . ok.

However, the entire situation is still odd, especially since he refuses to turn over his phone.

+1

You are physically attacked, assaulted, attacked for you race and sexuality, but won’t turn over your phone?

It just screams hoax.

The phone is not an important detail. I wouldn't give my phone to the police if I didn't have to.

If you were attacked and police requested your phone you’d say no?

And predictable dcum: suddenly the POLICE ARE EVIL!!!

This isn't sudden. It is a sentiment that has been growing for some time, now.
Yet, they would be the first to dial 9-1-1 if someone dare trespass on their property.

Are you serious? We have told our kids since they were very little to ALWAYS insist on having one of us or an attorney present if they are questioned by police. If you don't think police officers have taken short cuts that have ruined people's lives then I have a bridge to sell you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Based on the reported facts, the subject line of this thread is correct.

So, according to the article, he was on the phone during the attack:

Brandon Z. Moore, Smollett's music manager, said he was on the phone with the actor when he heard some of the attack, and heard the words "MAGA country." "I heard that clearly. I heard the scuffle and I heard the racial slur," Moore told Variety.

The subject line is accurate based on this bit of evidence . . . ok.

However, the entire situation is still odd, especially since he refuses to turn over his phone.

+1

You are physically attacked, assaulted, attacked for you race and sexuality, but won’t turn over your phone?

It just screams hoax.

The phone is not an important detail. I wouldn't give my phone to the police if I didn't have to.

So . . . if someone put a "not-a-noose" rope around your neck, supposedly dragged you and yelled homophobic slurs at you, you'd keep your phone, too.

ok . . .

Then you, too, would have something to hide. If the dude's life was at stake, the phone would mean very little to him. Furthermore, if he's an actor, he has money for another phone. And at this point, I would think MOST people would at least change their number.

Y'all are very trusting of the police.

As a white woman, maybe I am. Is that the angle you're taking?

I am a white woman - and I posted above that my dh (an attorney) would not let me hand my phone over to the police in this situation. All they need is the time of the call and they could use a screen shot I text them for that. It isn't about buying a phone. It is about the huge amount of personal data on the phone that is irrelevant to this attack.

You don’t know if the phone contains anything relevant. The police can investigate and use date to solve crime with phones.

You know that he’s not turning over his phone because he knows they will find out it’s a hoax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread reminds me of that “blue dress gold dress” photo. How so many people can read the same reporting and walk away with two totally different conclusions is bizarre.

It’s too early to tell either way. Wait for facts.

Hint: if you don’t want to be an a$$hole, believe the victim until you hear otherwise.

Questioning doesn't make you an a**hole. It means you simply have questions b/c you want to discover the truth. Sheeple don't question; they follow with blinders on.

There are two sides to every story. That's why we have defense lawyers and prosecutors. In theory, both sides are innocent until proven guilty. So those two men caught on tape could be completely innocent, too.

People are only questioning b/c there are quite a few holes in this story. It doesn't mean Smollet is lying, but it also doesn't mean he's sharing the ENTIRE truth.

Yeah, it does make you an a**hole. When you hear the story and you are like, he is clearly lying because Subway closes at 11!!!! Or he is clearly lying because police asked for surveillance video and no one has a video of the attack! Yeah, you are an a**hole.

Just own it.

I must be an a**hole then. Here are my questions:

1. How did these attackers know this man would be out in the neighborhood at 2:00 am? Were they waiting for hours, in the cold, with a bottle of some liquid and a rope?
2. With all the cameras, one would think at least one would show the attack. They still can't find it. Smollett has been unable to identify the exact place of the attack, according to reports.
3. How did these attackers know this was Smollett if he was dressed for the weather? He would have been bundled up and hard to recognize.
4. Why did Smollett wait 40 min. to call police?
5. Why didn't Smollett initially tell police what the attackers said? This was reported in a subsequent interview with him, although TMZ had it in their first report. The inconsistencies here are disturbing.
6. Smollett may have good reasons for not wanting to give police his phone, but if it were me, I would want to do everything I could to find the attackers.

Just a few of my questions.
Signed, A**hole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread reminds me of that “blue dress gold dress” photo. How so many people can read the same reporting and walk away with two totally different conclusions is bizarre.

It’s too early to tell either way. Wait for facts.

Hint: if you don’t want to be an a$$hole, believe the victim until you hear otherwise.

Questioning doesn't make you an a**hole. It means you simply have questions b/c you want to discover the truth. Sheeple don't question; they follow with blinders on.

There are two sides to every story. That's why we have defense lawyers and prosecutors. In theory, both sides are innocent until proven guilty. So those two men caught on tape could be completely innocent, too.

People are only questioning b/c there are quite a few holes in this story. It doesn't mean Smollet is lying, but it also doesn't mean he's sharing the ENTIRE truth.

Yeah, it does make you an a**hole. When you hear the story and you are like, he is clearly lying because Subway closes at 11!!!! Or he is clearly lying because police asked for surveillance video and no one has a video of the attack! Yeah, you are an a**hole.

Just own it.

I must be an a**hole then. Here are my questions:

1. How did these attackers know this man would be out in the neighborhood at 2:00 am? Were they waiting for hours, in the cold, with a bottle of some liquid and a rope?
2. With all the cameras, one would think at least one would show the attack. They still can't find it. Smollett has been unable to identify the exact place of the attack, according to reports.
3. How did these attackers know this was Smollett if he was dressed for the weather? He would have been bundled up and hard to recognize.
4. Why did Smollett wait 40 min. to call police?
5. Why didn't Smollett initially tell police what the attackers said? This was reported in a subsequent interview with him, although TMZ had it in their first report. The inconsistencies here are disturbing.
6. Smollett may have good reasons for not wanting to give police his phone, but if it were me, I would want to do everything I could to find the attackers.

Just a few of my questions.
Signed, A**hole.

Thanks for responding!

- Original A**hole

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread reminds me of that “blue dress gold dress” photo. How so many people can read the same reporting and walk away with two totally different conclusions is bizarre.

It’s too early to tell either way. Wait for facts.

Hint: if you don’t want to be an a$$hole, believe the victim until you hear otherwise.

Questioning doesn't make you an a**hole. It means you simply have questions b/c you want to discover the truth. Sheeple don't question; they follow with blinders on.

There are two sides to every story. That's why we have defense lawyers and prosecutors. In theory, both sides are innocent until proven guilty. So those two men caught on tape could be completely innocent, too.

People are only questioning b/c there are quite a few holes in this story. It doesn't mean Smollet is lying, but it also doesn't mean he's sharing the ENTIRE truth.

Yeah, it does make you an a**hole. When you hear the story and you are like, he is clearly lying because Subway closes at 11!!!! Or he is clearly lying because police asked for surveillance video and no one has a video of the attack! Yeah, you are an a**hole.

Just own it.

I must be an a**hole then. Here are my questions:

1. How did these attackers know this man would be out in the neighborhood at 2:00 am? Were they waiting for hours, in the cold, with a bottle of some liquid and a rope?
2. With all the cameras, one would think at least one would show the attack. They still can't find it. Smollett has been unable to identify the exact place of the attack, according to reports.
3. How did these attackers know this was Smollett if he was dressed for the weather? He would have been bundled up and hard to recognize.
4. Why did Smollett wait 40 min. to call police?
5. Why didn't Smollett initially tell police what the attackers said? This was reported in a subsequent interview with him, although TMZ had it in their first report. The inconsistencies here are disturbing.
6. Smollett may have good reasons for not wanting to give police his phone, but if it were me, I would want to do everything I could to find the attackers.

Just a few of my questions.
Signed, A**hole.

yep, you are right.

Take a good long look in the mirror and think about why you are playing armchair detective about someone else's assault.

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Confirmed with two Chicago PD sources that Jussie Smollett and his manager refused a request to turn over phone records to show Smollett's manager was on the phone with Jussie when the attack took place. Its not clear if Chicago PD will move to obtain records independently

[Anonymous]

We saw this with Ford's hearing too. People looking for any inconsistencies that would, to them, disprove her story. The name of the grocery store, where she saw squiggy or whatever his nickname was, for example.

Right here on this board people were saying stuff like she must be lying [about the attack] because there weren't any grocery stores called that at the time.

It was a view in to the mind's of misogynists that I could have lived without.

(spoiler, she was right about the store name)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Based on the reported facts, the subject line of this thread is correct.

So, according to the article, he was on the phone during the attack:

Brandon Z. Moore, Smollett's music manager, said he was on the phone with the actor when he heard some of the attack, and heard the words "MAGA country." "I heard that clearly. I heard the scuffle and I heard the racial slur," Moore told Variety.

The subject line is accurate based on this bit of evidence . . . ok.

However, the entire situation is still odd, especially since he refuses to turn over his phone.

+1

You are physically attacked, assaulted, attacked for you race and sexuality, but won’t turn over your phone?

It just screams hoax.

The phone is not an important detail. I wouldn't give my phone to the police if I didn't have to.

So . . . if someone put a "not-a-noose" rope around your neck, supposedly dragged you and yelled homophobic slurs at you, you'd keep your phone, too.

ok . . .

Then you, too, would have something to hide. If the dude's life was at stake, the phone would mean very little to him. Furthermore, if he's an actor, he has money for another phone. And at this point, I would think MOST people would at least change their number.

Y'all are very trusting of the police.

As a white woman, maybe I am. Is that the angle you're taking?

I am a white woman - and I posted above that my dh (an attorney) would not let me hand my phone over to the police in this situation. All they need is the time of the call and they could use a screen shot I text them for that. It isn't about buying a phone. It is about the huge amount of personal data on the phone that is irrelevant to this attack.

Not all attorneys would agree with your husband first of all.

But based on MY perspective, my cell phone is my personal phone. I don't use it for work. I don't send my husband pictures of my breasts. I don't send threatening texts to contacts. And if some ding dong in the police department wants to steal my contacts and text them emojis all day long, he'd get bored eventually b/c we're mainly a bunch of 40 and 50 yo women who don't "thrill" easily.

So since I don't have anything to hide, I'd turn over my phone, especially if someone threw at me threatening, racially-charged words or statements. I would WANT that person (or people) to be caught.

So at some point, victims have to trust the police to do what's right.

This young man, however, is not sharing the entire story. And if it's a hook up gone bad, he still needs to share his story as a warning to others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Yashar Ali ?
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@yashar
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Confirmed with two Chicago PD sources that Jussie Smollett and his manager refused a request to turn over phone records to show Smollett's manager was on the phone with Jussie when the attack took place. Its not clear if Chicago PD will move to obtain records independently

Hoax. Chicago pd will get records. Delay won’t work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread reminds me of that “blue dress gold dress” photo. How so many people can read the same reporting and walk away with two totally different conclusions is bizarre.

It’s too early to tell either way. Wait for facts.

Hint: if you don’t want to be an a$$hole, believe the victim until you hear otherwise.

Questioning doesn't make you an a**hole. It means you simply have questions b/c you want to discover the truth. Sheeple don't question; they follow with blinders on.

There are two sides to every story. That's why we have defense lawyers and prosecutors. In theory, both sides are innocent until proven guilty. So those two men caught on tape could be completely innocent, too.

People are only questioning b/c there are quite a few holes in this story. It doesn't mean Smollet is lying, but it also doesn't mean he's sharing the ENTIRE truth.

Yeah, it does make you an a**hole. When you hear the story and you are like, he is clearly lying because Subway closes at 11!!!! Or he is clearly lying because police asked for surveillance video and no one has a video of the attack! Yeah, you are an a**hole.

Just own it.

I must be an a**hole then. Here are my questions:

1. How did these attackers know this man would be out in the neighborhood at 2:00 am? Were they waiting for hours, in the cold, with a bottle of some liquid and a rope?
2. With all the cameras, one would think at least one would show the attack. They still can't find it. Smollett has been unable to identify the exact place of the attack, according to reports.
3. How did these attackers know this was Smollett if he was dressed for the weather? He would have been bundled up and hard to recognize.
4. Why did Smollett wait 40 min. to call police?
5. Why didn't Smollett initially tell police what the attackers said? This was reported in a subsequent interview with him, although TMZ had it in their first report. The inconsistencies here are disturbing.
6. Smollett may have good reasons for not wanting to give police his phone, but if it were me, I would want to do everything I could to find the attackers.

Just a few of my questions.
Signed, A**hole.

yep, you are right.

Take a good long look in the mirror and think about why you are playing armchair detective about someone else's assault.

Well . . .

#1 - Smollet is a public figure who called the police. He's on television. He tweets. He sings and dances, and he makes public appearances.
#2 - This story made the news.
#3 - Evidence was corrected as more and more information was shared. (noose, bleach, phone conversations, video footage)
#4 - Smart people ask questions. If everyone followed your "rules," the defenders and prosecutors hired would be morons.

- Original A**hole

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Based on the reported facts, the subject line of this thread is correct.

So, according to the article, he was on the phone during the attack:

Brandon Z. Moore, Smollett's music manager, said he was on the phone with the actor when he heard some of the attack, and heard the words "MAGA country." "I heard that clearly. I heard the scuffle and I heard the racial slur," Moore told Variety.

The subject line is accurate based on this bit of evidence . . . ok.

However, the entire situation is still odd, especially since he refuses to turn over his phone.

+1

You are physically attacked, assaulted, attacked for you race and sexuality, but won’t turn over your phone?

It just screams hoax.

The phone is not an important detail. I wouldn't give my phone to the police if I didn't have to.

So . . . if someone put a "not-a-noose" rope around your neck, supposedly dragged you and yelled homophobic slurs at you, you'd keep your phone, too.

ok . . .

Then you, too, would have something to hide. If the dude's life was at stake, the phone would mean very little to him. Furthermore, if he's an actor, he has money for another phone. And at this point, I would think MOST people would at least change their number.

Y'all are very trusting of the police.

As a white woman, maybe I am. Is that the angle you're taking?

I am a white woman - and I posted above that my dh (an attorney) would not let me hand my phone over to the police in this situation. All they need is the time of the call and they could use a screen shot I text them for that. It isn't about buying a phone. It is about the huge amount of personal data on the phone that is irrelevant to this attack.

Not all attorneys would agree with your husband first of all.

But based on MY perspective, my cell phone is my personal phone. I don't use it for work. I don't send my husband pictures of my breasts. I don't send threatening texts to contacts. And if some ding dong in the police department wants to steal my contacts and text them emojis all day long, he'd get bored eventually b/c we're mainly a bunch of 40 and 50 yo women who don't "thrill" easily.

So since I don't have anything to hide, I'd turn over my phone, especially if someone threw at me threatening, racially-charged words or statements. I would WANT that person (or people) to be caught.

So at some point, victims have to trust the police to do what's right.

This young man, however, is not sharing the entire story. And if it's a hook up gone bad, he still needs to share his story as a warning to others.

Another affluent white woman here who would never herself or allow her children to hand over a cell phone to the police without a warrant. I also don't sext my husband or have anything untoward on there, but I'm not giving up my privacy without a warrant. And I'm not going to allow myself or my kids to inadvertently hand them evidence that they could use against us now or in the future.

Seriously pp never do this, any reputable defense attorney would tell you this. Innocent people go to jail all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We saw this with Ford's hearing too. People looking for any inconsistencies that would, to them, disprove her story. The name of the grocery store, where she saw squiggy or whatever his nickname was, for example.

Right here on this board people were saying stuff like she must be lying [about the attack] because there weren't any grocery stores called that at the time.

It was a view in to the mind's of misogynists that I could have lived without.

(spoiler, she was right about the store name)

Yes, they are too quick to tear down. They do it for ulterior motives, not "the truth".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread reminds me of that “blue dress gold dress” photo. How so many people can read the same reporting and walk away with two totally different conclusions is bizarre.

It’s too early to tell either way. Wait for facts.

Hint: if you don’t want to be an a$$hole, believe the victim until you hear otherwise.

Questioning doesn't make you an a**hole. It means you simply have questions b/c you want to discover the truth. Sheeple don't question; they follow with blinders on.

There are two sides to every story. That's why we have defense lawyers and prosecutors. In theory, both sides are innocent until proven guilty. So those two men caught on tape could be completely innocent, too.

People are only questioning b/c there are quite a few holes in this story. It doesn't mean Smollet is lying, but it also doesn't mean he's sharing the ENTIRE truth.

Yeah, it does make you an a**hole. When you hear the story and you are like, he is clearly lying because Subway closes at 11!!!! Or he is clearly lying because police asked for surveillance video and no one has a video of the attack! Yeah, you are an a**hole.

Just own it.

I must be an a**hole then. Here are my questions:

1. How did these attackers know this man would be out in the neighborhood at 2:00 am? Were they waiting for hours, in the cold, with a bottle of some liquid and a rope?
2. With all the cameras, one would think at least one would show the attack. They still can't find it. Smollett has been unable to identify the exact place of the attack, according to reports.
3. How did these attackers know this was Smollett if he was dressed for the weather? He would have been bundled up and hard to recognize.
4. Why did Smollett wait 40 min. to call police?
5. Why didn't Smollett initially tell police what the attackers said? This was reported in a subsequent interview with him, although TMZ had it in their first report. The inconsistencies here are disturbing.
6. Smollett may have good reasons for not wanting to give police his phone, but if it were me, I would want to do everything I could to find the attackers.

Just a few of my questions.
Signed, A**hole.

Thanks for responding!

- Original A**hole

Awwww - a$$hole circle jerk time!

[Anonymous]

If there’s one thing we white people do it’s watch Empire and wait around in sub-zero temperatures with a noose and a bottle of bleach in the off chance a gay black d-list actor tries to hit up a Subway at 2am.

Wait... why won’t he let police see his phone again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Based on the reported facts, the subject line of this thread is correct.

So, according to the article, he was on the phone during the attack:

Brandon Z. Moore, Smollett's music manager, said he was on the phone with the actor when he heard some of the attack, and heard the words "MAGA country." "I heard that clearly. I heard the scuffle and I heard the racial slur," Moore told Variety.

The subject line is accurate based on this bit of evidence . . . ok.

However, the entire situation is still odd, especially since he refuses to turn over his phone.

+1

You are physically attacked, assaulted, attacked for you race and sexuality, but won’t turn over your phone?

It just screams hoax.

The phone is not an important detail. I wouldn't give my phone to the police if I didn't have to.

So . . . if someone put a "not-a-noose" rope around your neck, supposedly dragged you and yelled homophobic slurs at you, you'd keep your phone, too.

ok . . .

Then you, too, would have something to hide. If the dude's life was at stake, the phone would mean very little to him. Furthermore, if he's an actor, he has money for another phone. And at this point, I would think MOST people would at least change their number.

Y'all are very trusting of the police.

As a white woman, maybe I am. Is that the angle you're taking?

I am a white woman - and I posted above that my dh (an attorney) would not let me hand my phone over to the police in this situation. All they need is the time of the call and they could use a screen shot I text them for that. It isn't about buying a phone. It is about the huge amount of personal data on the phone that is irrelevant to this attack.

Not all attorneys would agree with your husband first of all.

But based on MY perspective, my cell phone is my personal phone. I don't use it for work. I don't send my husband pictures of my breasts. I don't send threatening texts to contacts. And if some ding dong in the police department wants to steal my contacts and text them emojis all day long, he'd get bored eventually b/c we're mainly a bunch of 40 and 50 yo women who don't "thrill" easily.

So since I don't have anything to hide, I'd turn over my phone, especially if someone threw at me threatening, racially-charged words or statements. I would WANT that person (or people) to be caught.

So at some point, victims have to trust the police to do what's right.

This young man, however, is not sharing the entire story. And if it's a hook up gone bad, he still needs to share his story as a warning to others.

Another affluent white woman here who would never herself or allow her children to hand over a cell phone to the police without a warrant. I also don't sext my husband or have anything untoward on there, but I'm not giving up my privacy without a warrant. And I'm not going to allow myself or my kids to inadvertently hand them evidence that they could use against us now or in the future.

Seriously pp never do this, any reputable defense attorney would tell you this. Innocent people go to jail all the time.

I don't have time or energy to get arrest at this point in my life.

But again, there's nothing on my phone that would incriminate me. However, officers can still seize the phone or use a warrant to obtain information if necessary.