If it came down to Hogan vs Jealous in General Election who would you vote for?

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Yes, that is what I would call it. More and more wealth and power are concentrated in the hands of the few, and those few are overwhelmingly white. A true progressive in the Sanders mold, like Jealous, understands the inherent injustice in the current system. He recognizes that strong efforts to transfer money and power from the current elite few to the masses is necessary to create a fair and just society. Much of this can be done through tax policy, be he will push for many other measures to push for a more equal society.

PP, he's going to be governor of Maryland, not emperor of America.

If I were feeling paranoid, I might think that your post was a disinformation campaign to get people to vote for Hogan.

+1 There is a troll on this Board who posts racist offensive stuff in the guise of a supporter of Democratic candidates. Maybe Jeff can out him.

There have been some racist posts, but there is nothing racist about the above.

It is hard to argue that there isn't substantial income inequality and to a very large extent it breaks down along race. Of course what should be done about it is very much open to debate and there are plenty of reasons to criticize the solutions proposed above -- but that doesn't make it racist.

Someone arguing for greater steps to decrease income inequality -- through tax policy and beyond -- is very much in the keeping with the more liberal elements in the Democratic party today, such as Sanders, Warren, the woman from the Bronx who just won, etc.

Agree or disagree, but such thought is entering the mainstream of American politics right now.

Sanders lost the primaries by a landslide, and the “woman from Queens” was one of a handful of Berners to actually win a primary, most lost to more moderate candidates. Such ideas are not yet the main stream.

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Yes, that is what I would call it. More and more wealth and power are concentrated in the hands of the few, and those few are overwhelmingly white. A true progressive in the Sanders mold, like Jealous, understands the inherent injustice in the current system. He recognizes that strong efforts to transfer money and power from the current elite few to the masses is necessary to create a fair and just society. Much of this can be done through tax policy, be he will push for many other measures to push for a more equal society.

PP, he's going to be governor of Maryland, not emperor of America.

If I were feeling paranoid, I might think that your post was a disinformation campaign to get people to vote for Hogan.

+1 There is a troll on this Board who posts racist offensive stuff in the guise of a supporter of Democratic candidates. Maybe Jeff can out him.

There have been some racist posts, but there is nothing racist about the above.

It is hard to argue that there isn't substantial income inequality and to a very large extent it breaks down along race. Of course what should be done about it is very much open to debate and there are plenty of reasons to criticize the solutions proposed above -- but that doesn't make it racist.

Someone arguing for greater steps to decrease income inequality -- through tax policy and beyond -- is very much in the keeping with the more liberal elements in the Democratic party today, such as Sanders, Warren, the woman from the Bronx who just won, etc.

Agree or disagree, but such thought is entering the mainstream of American politics right now.

Sanders lost the primaries by a landslide, and the “woman from Queens” was one of a handful of Berners to actually win a primary, most lost to more moderate candidates. Such ideas are not yet the main stream.

Primaries have been mixed. Some more establishment folks have won, but those further left (tied to Bernie or otherwise) have also done well. Jealous is significantly further left than Baker and he won handily.

They aren't mainstream in the sense of the prevailing viewpoint, but I would call it part of the mainstream in that candidates with this view are winning primaries, are pulling almost all 2020 candidates to the left, and will likely win some races this fall.

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Yes, that is what I would call it. More and more wealth and power are concentrated in the hands of the few, and those few are overwhelmingly white. A true progressive in the Sanders mold, like Jealous, understands the inherent injustice in the current system. He recognizes that strong efforts to transfer money and power from the current elite few to the masses is necessary to create a fair and just society. Much of this can be done through tax policy, be he will push for many other measures to push for a more equal society.

PP, he's going to be governor of Maryland, not emperor of America.

If I were feeling paranoid, I might think that your post was a disinformation campaign to get people to vote for Hogan.

+1 There is a troll on this Board who posts racist offensive stuff in the guise of a supporter of Democratic candidates. Maybe Jeff can out him.

There have been some racist posts, but there is nothing racist about the above.

It is hard to argue that there isn't substantial income inequality and to a very large extent it breaks down along race. Of course what should be done about it is very much open to debate and there are plenty of reasons to criticize the solutions proposed above -- but that doesn't make it racist.

Someone arguing for greater steps to decrease income inequality -- through tax policy and beyond -- is very much in the keeping with the more liberal elements in the Democratic party today, such as Sanders, Warren, the woman from the Bronx who just won, etc.

Agree or disagree, but such thought is entering the mainstream of American politics right now.

Sanders lost the primaries by a landslide, and the “woman from Queens” was one of a handful of Berners to actually win a primary, most lost to more moderate candidates. Such ideas are not yet the main stream.

Primaries have been mixed. Some more establishment folks have won, but those further left (tied to Bernie or otherwise) have also done well. Jealous is significantly further left than Baker and he won handily.

They aren't mainstream in the sense of the prevailing viewpoint, but I would call it part of the mainstream in that candidates with this view are winning primaries, are pulling almost all 2020 candidates to the left, and will likely win some races this fall.

My personal opinion is that Jealous won only because moderate dems are ok with Hogan and didn’t bother to vote. Although the Sun interviewed some Jealous primary voters who said they were probably voting for Hogan in the general, which is harder to understand. The results of thr general will be very interesting.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, that is what I would call it. More and more wealth and power are concentrated in the hands of the few, and those few are overwhelmingly white. A true progressive in the Sanders mold, like Jealous, understands the inherent injustice in the current system. He recognizes that strong efforts to transfer money and power from the current elite few to the masses is necessary to create a fair and just society. Much of this can be done through tax policy, be he will push for many other measures to push for a more equal society.

PP, he's going to be governor of Maryland, not emperor of America.

If I were feeling paranoid, I might think that your post was a disinformation campaign to get people to vote for Hogan.

+1 There is a troll on this Board who posts racist offensive stuff in the guise of a supporter of Democratic candidates. Maybe Jeff can out him.

There have been some racist posts, but there is nothing racist about the above.

It is hard to argue that there isn't substantial income inequality and to a very large extent it breaks down along race. Of course what should be done about it is very much open to debate and there are plenty of reasons to criticize the solutions proposed above -- but that doesn't make it racist.

Someone arguing for greater steps to decrease income inequality -- through tax policy and beyond -- is very much in the keeping with the more liberal elements in the Democratic party today, such as Sanders, Warren, the woman from the Bronx who just won, etc.

Agree or disagree, but such thought is entering the mainstream of American politics right now.

Sanders lost the primaries by a landslide, and the “woman from Queens” was one of a handful of Berners to actually win a primary, most lost to more moderate candidates. Such ideas are not yet the main stream.

Primaries have been mixed. Some more establishment folks have won, but those further left (tied to Bernie or otherwise) have also done well. Jealous is significantly further left than Baker and he won handily.

They aren't mainstream in the sense of the prevailing viewpoint, but I would call it part of the mainstream in that candidates with this view are winning primaries, are pulling almost all 2020 candidates to the left, and will likely win some races this fall.

They are losimg far more primaries than they have won, at least judged by candidates endorsed by Our Revolution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What has Hogan done for Maryland? Where are the new businesses, transportation initiatives, and stellar education? Baltimore City is still a mess, and MOCO schools are overcrowded. I'm still waiting for people to list all the reasons why Hogan has been a good governor. Please post a list of achievements.

Let's see:

Finally got the Purple Line started
Reduced tolls state-wide
Started an initiative to reduce congestion on 495 and 270
Kept Marriott here; is working hard on Amazon HQ2
Is working to take over B-W parkway so we can widen it
Approved Musk's hyper-loop between DC and B'more
Working on other high-speed rail initiatves between DC and B'more (the Japanese train option)

As for schools, blame the counties on that -- the state has little control over it compared to the counties.

I generally vote Democrat but Hogan has been good for MD. He's Republican in name but is about as moderate as they come.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What has Hogan done for Maryland? Where are the new businesses, transportation initiatives, and stellar education? Baltimore City is still a mess, and MOCO schools are overcrowded. I'm still waiting for people to list all the reasons why Hogan has been a good governor. Please post a list of achievements.

Let's see:

Finally got the Purple Line started
Reduced tolls state-wide
Started an initiative to reduce congestion on 495 and 270
Kept Marriott here; is working hard on Amazon HQ2
Is working to take over B-W parkway so we can widen it
Approved Musk's hyper-loop between DC and B'more
Working on other high-speed rail initiatves between DC and B'more (the Japanese train option)

As for schools, blame the counties on that -- the state has little control over it compared to the counties.

I generally vote Democrat but Hogan has been good for MD. He's Republican in name but is about as moderate as they come.

So let's see.

Stalled the Purple Line, then cut its budget.
Reduced tolls, leading to a hole in the transportation budget.
Spent pocket change in the I-270 corridor, which came from canceling the Red Line in Baltimore and redistributing the money to road projects mostly in rural counties that voted for him.
Didn't get in the way of Montgomery County paying Marriott to stay here.
Is supporting huge highway-widening projects without saying how they will be paid for.
Approved a goofy futuristic transportation concept (the "hyperloop").while failing to invest in current transportation needs.
Approved a goofy futuristic transportation concept (the "maglev") while failing to invest om current transportation needs.

This isn't a Democratic/Republican issue. It's a lousy transportation policies issue.

And yes, I do blame Hogan for forcing all school districts in the state to start and end when he thinks they ought to, rather when they think they ought to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What has Hogan done for Maryland? Where are the new businesses, transportation initiatives, and stellar education? Baltimore City is still a mess, and MOCO schools are overcrowded. I'm still waiting for people to list all the reasons why Hogan has been a good governor. Please post a list of achievements.

Let's see:

Finally got the Purple Line started
Reduced tolls state-wide
Started an initiative to reduce congestion on 495 and 270
Kept Marriott here; is working hard on Amazon HQ2
Is working to take over B-W parkway so we can widen it
Approved Musk's hyper-loop between DC and B'more
Working on other high-speed rail initiatves between DC and B'more (the Japanese train option)

As for schools, blame the counties on that -- the state has little control over it compared to the counties.

I generally vote Democrat but Hogan has been good for MD. He's Republican in name but is about as moderate as they come.

So let's see.

Stalled the Purple Line, then cut its budget.
Reduced tolls, leading to a hole in the transportation budget.
Spent pocket change in the I-270 corridor, which came from canceling the Red Line in Baltimore and redistributing the money to road projects mostly in rural counties that voted for him.
Didn't get in the way of Montgomery County paying Marriott to stay here.
Is supporting huge highway-widening projects without saying how they will be paid for.
Approved a goofy futuristic transportation concept (the "hyperloop").while failing to invest in current transportation needs.
Approved a goofy futuristic transportation concept (the "maglev") while failing to invest om current transportation needs.

This isn't a Democratic/Republican issue. It's a lousy transportation policies issue.

And yes, I do blame Hogan for forcing all school districts in the state to start and end when he thinks they ought to, rather when they think they ought to.

Dp, but also a democrat. I would agree that Hogan basically has done nothing but at this point, that is what makes him an attractive candidate. The legislature has him reined in, and has passed some decent legislation, sometimes overturning his veto. Hogan is anti -Trump and in any case, Frosh will continue to contest Trump’s most egregious policies in court.

I’m fine with the high taxes I pay now, but don’t want to pay huge increases for Jealous’s experiments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And how do you all suggest paying for universal pre-k when we are already faced with overcrowded schools from K on up?

Tax the rich!

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Tax the sh!t out of them!!!!!!

Tax the rich? Not sure what the Jealous definition of rich is, but I bet anyone with a HHI of $200K and up will be screwed. Around here thats a lot of people. How else are we going to pay for free pre-k and college?

+1 The true rich will continue to benefit from federal tax policies that give them a lower tax rate than middle class families, and people with the means to leave will move across the border to Virginia or DC.

I support universal pre-K and a robust social safety net, but these are policies that need to be pursued as a region. Pursuing them unilaterally, while transferring education dollars out of Montgomery County per the Kirwan Commission report? It's a recipe for hollowing out the middle class in Montgomery County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And how do you all suggest paying for universal pre-k when we are already faced with overcrowded schools from K on up?

Tax the rich!

+100!!!!

Tax the sh!t out of them!!!!!!

Tax the rich? Not sure what the Jealous definition of rich is, but I bet anyone with a HHI of $200K and up will be screwed. Around here thats a lot of people. How else are we going to pay for free pre-k and college?

+1 The true rich will continue to benefit from federal tax policies that give them a lower tax rate than middle class families, and people with the means to leave will move across the border to Virginia or DC.

I support universal pre-K and a robust social safety net, but these are policies that need to be pursued as a region. Pursuing them unilaterally, while transferring education dollars out of Montgomery County per the Kirwan Commission report? It's a recipe for hollowing out the middle class in Montgomery County.

Exactly

Lots of great policies.. but they need to be done at a less local level to not drive people out who would pay for them but barely use them

This applies to our MD governor election and our MoCo Exec election

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What has Hogan done for Maryland? Where are the new businesses, transportation initiatives, and stellar education? Baltimore City is still a mess, and MOCO schools are overcrowded. I'm still waiting for people to list all the reasons why Hogan has been a good governor. Please post a list of achievements.

Let's see:

Finally got the Purple Line started
Reduced tolls state-wide
Started an initiative to reduce congestion on 495 and 270
Kept Marriott here; is working hard on Amazon HQ2
Is working to take over B-W parkway so we can widen it
Approved Musk's hyper-loop between DC and B'more
Working on other high-speed rail initiatves between DC and B'more (the Japanese train option)

As for schools, blame the counties on that -- the state has little control over it compared to the counties.

I generally vote Democrat but Hogan has been good for MD. He's Republican in name but is about as moderate as they come.

So let's see.

Stalled the Purple Line, then cut its budget.
Reduced tolls, leading to a hole in the transportation budget.
Spent pocket change in the I-270 corridor, which came from canceling the Red Line in Baltimore and redistributing the money to road projects mostly in rural counties that voted for him.
Didn't get in the way of Montgomery County paying Marriott to stay here.
Is supporting huge highway-widening projects without saying how they will be paid for.
Approved a goofy futuristic transportation concept (the "hyperloop").while failing to invest in current transportation needs.
Approved a goofy futuristic transportation concept (the "maglev") while failing to invest om current transportation needs.

This isn't a Democratic/Republican issue. It's a lousy transportation policies issue.

And yes, I do blame Hogan for forcing all school districts in the state to start and end when he thinks they ought to, rather when they think they ought to.

Let's unpack these.

You say "cut the budget" of the purple line, I'd say he managed to get it across the finish line, while also getting cost control.

-The only thing shortchanged in the transportation budget was Omalley's constant raiding of it, and preferring mass transit (used by less than 10% of Marylanders), over roadways.

-The red line in Baltimore was a controversial boondoggle that not even all of Baltimore was in support of.


As for Maglev- that will never happen, cmon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What has Hogan done for Maryland? Where are the new businesses, transportation initiatives, and stellar education? Baltimore City is still a mess, and MOCO schools are overcrowded. I'm still waiting for people to list all the reasons why Hogan has been a good governor. Please post a list of achievements.

Let's see:

Finally got the Purple Line started
Reduced tolls state-wide
Started an initiative to reduce congestion on 495 and 270
Kept Marriott here; is working hard on Amazon HQ2
Is working to take over B-W parkway so we can widen it
Approved Musk's hyper-loop between DC and B'more
Working on other high-speed rail initiatves between DC and B'more (the Japanese train option)

As for schools, blame the counties on that -- the state has little control over it compared to the counties.

I generally vote Democrat but Hogan has been good for MD. He's Republican in name but is about as moderate as they come.

So let's see.

Stalled the Purple Line, then cut its budget.
Reduced tolls, leading to a hole in the transportation budget.
Spent pocket change in the I-270 corridor, which came from canceling the Red Line in Baltimore and redistributing the money to road projects mostly in rural counties that voted for him.
Didn't get in the way of Montgomery County paying Marriott to stay here.
Is supporting huge highway-widening projects without saying how they will be paid for.
Approved a goofy futuristic transportation concept (the "hyperloop").while failing to invest in current transportation needs.
Approved a goofy futuristic transportation concept (the "maglev") while failing to invest om current transportation needs.

This isn't a Democratic/Republican issue. It's a lousy transportation policies issue.

And yes, I do blame Hogan for forcing all school districts in the state to start and end when he thinks they ought to, rather when they think they ought to.

And Hogan has yet to tell us how the school calendar executive order (aka loss of spring break) has worked out. Is Ocean City now better off? We were promised data by last fall...

[Anonymous]

^while I agree that Hogan has been terrible for MCPS, Jealous will be even worse.

[Anonymous]

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And Hogan has yet to tell us how the school calendar executive order (aka loss of spring break) has worked out. Is Ocean City now better off? We were promised data by last fall...

According to Ocean City businesses, they are, by a lot:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/an-extra-week-of-summer-for-almost-900000-kids-is-a-boon-for-one-beach-town/2017/09/01/8e490c12-8eab-11e7-84c0-02cc069f2c37_story.html?utm_term=.5c16623c7b7f

MD state fair numbers up also:
http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/opinion/columnists/cc-op-tomlinson-20170914-story.html

So just by shifting the calendar a few days, MD sees a big economic benefit. That seems like a worthy compromise to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And Hogan has yet to tell us how the school calendar executive order (aka loss of spring break) has worked out. Is Ocean City now better off? We were promised data by last fall...

According to Ocean City businesses, they are, by a lot:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/an-extra-week-of-summer-for-almost-900000-kids-is-a-boon-for-one-beach-town/2017/09/01/8e490c12-8eab-11e7-84c0-02cc069f2c37_story.html?utm_term=.5c16623c7b7f

MD state fair numbers up also:
http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/opinion/columnists/cc-op-tomlinson-20170914-story.html

So just by shifting the calendar a few days, MD sees a big economic benefit. That seems like a worthy compromise to me.

Similarly, my kids will tell you that unlimited cell phone time is great for their education and psychological well-being.

[Anonymous]

Democrat here, but I'm voting Hogan. Jealous is too black for me