Yeah, right. |
Do you have personal experience with any of these schools (esp the NE boarding schools)? Of course kids want to get into a top college, but they also value the experience of being at the school. It’s not like most high schools, where kids just want to get through it. |
I agree with this. I honestly think that much of the anti UVA bias comes from parents whose kids were already rejected or who anticipate that they won’t or can’t get in. |
It sucks in all the hard majors. It excels in the easy majors. That's why it's not respected globally. |
I’ve been posting a lot on this thread. I don’t have a kid who is applying to uva anytime soon. I just know a lot about higher ed (DH works in higher ed) and am the person with personal experience at prep schools. I’m just a knowleadable person trying to correct misperceptions. UVA is a fine school, but it’s just not in the same league as even the very top publics (Berkeley and Michigan). |
NP. You are focking clueless. |
As an undergraduate institution, I think UVA is clearly in the same league as Michigan and Berkeley. Don't forget, it was actually ranked the top public on USNews for many years. Only Berkeley and UCLA are ahead now. Michigan has been moving up in selectivity recently by admitting many more students from OOS. Michigan and Berkeley are both huge schools that are significantly larger than top privates (only NYU and USC are similar size, and I am not thinking of them as top privates.) UVA stays within the size range of Harvard, Penn, and Cornell for instance, which perhaps has contributed to its historical appeal. Although it is off topic for this thread, I will also say William & Mary is a great in-state option at the undergraduate level. UVA graduate law and business schools are comparable to Berkeley and Michigan. They are all top notch. UVA's medical school is well respected, but perhaps a level below Michigan. (Berkeley does not have a medical school, but it has strong ties to the nearby UC San Francisco, which is one of the tops in the country.) Where UVA cannot match Berkeley and Michigan is as a research university and for across-the-board graduate programs. Berkeley is particularly strong here and has historically been viewed as one of the tops in the world, even rivaling Harvard. They are both strong in graduate STEM and research. This is really what is being rated in the global university rankings, and this explains why UVA is ranked much lower in those rankings. It does not have research citations and scholarly output at the same level as Berkeley and Michigan. |
You are incorrect. UVA is now always ranked higher for public university than Michigan and sometimes even higher than UCLA and Berkeley. UVA is ahead of Michigan in all the public university rankings. In some, UVA is even ahead of UCLA and Berkeley. UVA no. 1 public university in the nation. http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2016/09/uva-r...ublic-college-business-insider No. 2 public university: https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-el...no-2-public-university-ranking UVA no. 3 behind berkely and UCLA but ahead of Michigan. https://news.virginia.edu/content/us-news-lists-uv...iversities-27th-straight-year' UCLA and UVA tied for no. 2. http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/ucla-named-among...news-and-world-report-rankings UVA ranks 2nd public universities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Virginia |
Virginia is clearly the higher ranked undergraduate university - I think we can all agree on that.
And it takes mostly Virginia students unlike Michigan which is mostly out of state students. |
Because it’s three spots ahead in US News? That’s margin of error, not clear superiority. |
o.k., I just said it's "higher ranked." |
+1. Statistically, UVA is ahead of Michigan. It's now become very difficult to get into. I agree with those above who think the UVA-bashing may be disgruntled students or parents. Many families close to me did not get their UVA legacy admitted this year. These are triple-legacy families who have extensively supported UVA and, of course, their kids have the 4.44+ GPA and 35-36 ACT and necessary ECs. This is a very upsetting issue for NoVA families, especially legacies, trying to get in from NoVA. |
Not a NoVA family. My kid isn’t applying to UVA any time soon. I still think UVA is overrated. |
Where are you applying? Could your DC get in if he/she did apply? Be honest. |
My kid isn’t applying this year. I go on this board to see what the discussions are like around various colleges. My assertions come from being married to someone who works in higher ed and from my own experiences at both public and prep schools. |