Is uva a prestigious college?

[Anonymous]

I don’t necessarily disagree that there is a contingent of wealthy folks who prefer private colleges as opposed to large state schools. But Wake Forest is clearly NOT one of the those private colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:World university rankings: Michigan, 21; Wake Forest, 201.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/name/Wake%20for/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

Ah, I get it. So one publication ranks WF higher than UMich and that just can’t possibly be right, and one ranks UMich higher and, well, THAT one is obviously right. Oookay.

The world university rankings is super stem heavy and relies on things like the number of articles published in certain scientific journals. Which is important for a hardcore STEM program. But Wake is not a hardcore STEM school. And it does not pretend to be. No real engineering program, and not a CS or physics powerhouse. Wake shines in providing a liberal arts education. Small classes in the humanities, social sciences, physical sciences, etc. very good at preparing kids for law school, med school, business school and divinity school. Terrible idea for CS Phd.

So yes, if you want engineering or hardcore STEm, which is what the world rankings measure, Wake is a bad choice. But not every kid is attending college for engineering or hardcore STEM. —Wake English major, then attorney

[Anonymous]

UVA is a large public that takes multiple of the number of kids WFU takes. How kids among the “test of the best” are admitted to other top 25 privates?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:World university rankings: Michigan, 21; Wake Forest, 201.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/name/Wake%20for/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

Ah, I get it. So one publication ranks WF higher than UMich and that just can’t possibly be right, and one ranks UMich higher and, well, THAT one is obviously right. Oookay.

The world university rankings is super stem heavy and relies on things like the number of articles published in certain scientific journals. Which is important for a hardcore STEM program. But Wake is not a hardcore STEM school. And it does not pretend to be. No real engineering program, and not a CS or physics powerhouse. Wake shines in providing a liberal arts education. Small classes in the humanities, social sciences, physical sciences, etc. very good at preparing kids for law school, med school, business school and divinity school. Terrible idea for CS Phd.

So yes, if you want engineering or hardcore STEm, which is what the world rankings measure, Wake is a bad choice. But not every kid is attending college for engineering or hardcore STEM. —Wake English major, then attorney

Nice try, but Michigan is also exceptionally strong in the humanities and social sciences, in addition to STEM fields.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t necessarily disagree that there is a contingent of wealthy folks who prefer private colleges as opposed to large state schools. But Wake Forest is clearly NOT one of the those private colleges.

I would agree, although I do think Wake is a good school.

Not sure why I did this other than curiosity, but I looked a the elite private prep schools cited (Georgetown Day, Holton Arms, Choate, Phillips Exeter, St Pauls, Lawrenceville, Hotchkiss, Phillips Andover) and ran the number of matriculants going to UVA, Wake, W&M (because it is usually the other in-state school cited) and Wesleyan (somewhat randomly chosen as a fairly elite LAC). Adjusting for undergraduate enrollment, UVA has 61% more matriculants from these schools than Wake, W&M has 64% more matriculants, and Wesleyan has a whopping 639% more matriculants than Wake. (Sorry Michigan fan, I didn't run numbers on UM.)

Considering UVA (and W&M) are 2/3rds in-state students who are less likely to be attending these OOS private prep schools, the numbers are perhaps understated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t necessarily disagree that there is a contingent of wealthy folks who prefer private colleges as opposed to large state schools. But Wake Forest is clearly NOT one of the those private colleges.

I would agree, although I do think Wake is a good school.

Not sure why I did this other than curiosity, but I looked a the elite private prep schools cited (Georgetown Day, Holton Arms, Choate, Phillips Exeter, St Pauls, Lawrenceville, Hotchkiss, Phillips Andover) and ran the number of matriculants going to UVA, Wake, W&M (because it is usually the other in-state school cited) and Wesleyan (somewhat randomly chosen as a fairly elite LAC). Adjusting for undergraduate enrollment, UVA has 61% more matriculants from these schools than Wake, W&M has 64% more matriculants, and Wesleyan has a whopping 639% more matriculants than Wake. (Sorry Michigan fan, I didn't run numbers on UM.)

Considering UVA (and W&M) are 2/3rds in-state students who are less likely to be attending these OOS private prep schools, the numbers are perhaps understated.

+1. Also UVA is attracting a huge class of students from TJ for fall 2018

[Anonymous]

There are a lot of people on this board with an odd bias against UVA. It has been a top ranked school for as long as I can remember and prestigious in the eyes of the many who consider it a public Ivy along with Michigan and Cal. Increasingly selective, it clearly has national cache due to intense competition from out of state students (not to mention many in state who are disappointed when they don't get in). It's not only popular with Virginia students or mid Atlantic, students come from all across the country and internationally to study at UVA. Don't let anyone tell you it isn't a top school or prestigious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t necessarily disagree that there is a contingent of wealthy folks who prefer private colleges as opposed to large state schools. But Wake Forest is clearly NOT one of the those private colleges.

I would agree, although I do think Wake is a good school.

Not sure why I did this other than curiosity, but I looked a the elite private prep schools cited (Georgetown Day, Holton Arms, Choate, Phillips Exeter, St Pauls, Lawrenceville, Hotchkiss, Phillips Andover) and ran the number of matriculants going to UVA, Wake, W&M (because it is usually the other in-state school cited) and Wesleyan (somewhat randomly chosen as a fairly elite LAC). Adjusting for undergraduate enrollment, UVA has 61% more matriculants from these schools than Wake, W&M has 64% more matriculants, and Wesleyan has a whopping 639% more matriculants than Wake. (Sorry Michigan fan, I didn't run numbers on UM.)

Considering UVA (and W&M) are 2/3rds in-state students who are less likely to be attending these OOS private prep schools, the numbers are perhaps understated.

Almost all of those schools are in the NE. Students from the NE are likely to stay in NE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t necessarily disagree that there is a contingent of wealthy folks who prefer private colleges as opposed to large state schools. But Wake Forest is clearly NOT one of the those private colleges.

I would agree, although I do think Wake is a good school.

Not sure why I did this other than curiosity, but I looked a the elite private prep schools cited (Georgetown Day, Holton Arms, Choate, Phillips Exeter, St Pauls, Lawrenceville, Hotchkiss, Phillips Andover) and ran the number of matriculants going to UVA, Wake, W&M (because it is usually the other in-state school cited) and Wesleyan (somewhat randomly chosen as a fairly elite LAC). Adjusting for undergraduate enrollment, UVA has 61% more matriculants from these schools than Wake, W&M has 64% more matriculants, and Wesleyan has a whopping 639% more matriculants than Wake. (Sorry Michigan fan, I didn't run numbers on UM.)

Considering UVA (and W&M) are 2/3rds in-state students who are less likely to be attending these OOS private prep schools, the numbers are perhaps understated.

Almost all of those schools are in the NE. Students from the NE are likely to stay in NE.

Huh? Since when is UVA in the NE?

I got into 8 boarding schools (including 5 of the schools PP looked at, plus Taft, Milton, and Deerfield) and ended up at Andover. I can tell you for a fact that no one was talking about Wake Forest. UVA and Michigan were considered fine destinations, but mostly it was expected that you would go to an Ivy, MIT, CalTech, Stanford, a top 5 LAC, or something somewhat specialized like Georgetown SFS (not the College, which wasn’t considered good enough).

[Anonymous]

Not a lot of reading comp at Andover, evidently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest has a serious cachet among wealthy prep school families. It sounds like a lot of public university alums post here, so the allure of a selective private education full of snobby rich kids is over your head.

Wow, way to be an elitist douche. I graduated with honors from Andover. I'm well versed in "the allure of a selective private education." You know how many kids went to Wake Forest from Andover last year? 0. 5 kids went to Michigan and 10 went to UVA. Why? Because UVA and Michigan are better than Wake Forest.

(https://www.andover.edu/files/PhillipsAcademySchoolProfile2017-2018.pdf)

Cherry picking from the #1 prep school in the world. What does that prove? The median family income of a student from Wake Forest is $221,500, it is top 10 in wealthiest student bodies in the US.

The median family income of a student from Virginia is $155,500.

As I said, WF has serious cachet among wealthy. While UVA is fantastic, but there's a segment of rich people that turn their nose down on a big public U education - they want their kids in small classes, around very high % of other smart rich kids.

https://www.gds.org/page/academics/college-counseling/matriculation-map
GDS Past three years:
11 to Michigan
4 to UVA
1 to Wake Forest

https://www.holton-arms.edu/scholar/college-counseling/matriculation
Holton Arms, class of 2014-2017:
15 to UVA
3 to Michigan
0 to Wake Forest

Choate Rosemary, past 5 years:
22 to Michigan
7 to UVA
0 to Wake Forest
https://www.choate.edu/uploaded/Documents/Academics/College_Profile.pdf

Phillips Exeter, class of 2015-2017:
25 to Michigan
4 to UVA
0 to Wake Forest
https://www.exeter.edu/sites/default/files/documents/college_matriculation.pdf

St. Paul’s, class of 2013-2016:
11 to UMich
9 to UVA
5 to Wake Forest
https://s3.amazonaws.com/k12-prod-us-east-1-media-pub/36/misc/misc_134107.pdf

Lawrenceville, class 2015-2017:
15 to UMich
15 to UVA
5 to Wake Forest
https://www.lawrenceville.org/page/academics/college-counseling

I find it somewhat bizarre that all this money is spent simply to get into excellent public schools that are still fairly easy to get into from Michigan and VA instate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people on this board with an odd bias against UVA. It has been a top ranked school for as long as I can remember and prestigious in the eyes of the many who consider it a public Ivy along with Michigan and Cal. Increasingly selective, it clearly has national cache due to intense competition from out of state students (not to mention many in state who are disappointed when they don't get in). It's not only popular with Virginia students or mid Atlantic, students come from all across the country and internationally to study at UVA. Don't let anyone tell you it isn't a top school or prestigious.

It has become an unbelievably popular school over the past 12 or so years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hard to get into? Yes, but I wouldn’t call it prestigious. It’s just a well regarded big state school like Michigan or UCLA.

I think Michigan is more highly regarded. Never even heard of UVA until I moved to DC eight years ago.

I wouldn't admit this in public.

Lots of people could care less abou uva

Not in my NOVA neighborhood. It's the holy grail.

That’s the case in pretty much every nova neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest has a serious cachet among wealthy prep school families. It sounds like a lot of public university alums post here, so the allure of a selective private education full of snobby rich kids is over your head.

Wow, way to be an elitist douche. I graduated with honors from Andover. I'm well versed in "the allure of a selective private education." You know how many kids went to Wake Forest from Andover last year? 0. 5 kids went to Michigan and 10 went to UVA. Why? Because UVA and Michigan are better than Wake Forest.

(https://www.andover.edu/files/PhillipsAcademySchoolProfile2017-2018.pdf)

Cherry picking from the #1 prep school in the world. What does that prove? The median family income of a student from Wake Forest is $221,500, it is top 10 in wealthiest student bodies in the US.

The median family income of a student from Virginia is $155,500.

As I said, WF has serious cachet among wealthy. While UVA is fantastic, but there's a segment of rich people that turn their nose down on a big public U education - they want their kids in small classes, around very high % of other smart rich kids.

https://www.gds.org/page/academics/college-counseling/matriculation-map
GDS Past three years:
11 to Michigan
4 to UVA
1 to Wake Forest

https://www.holton-arms.edu/scholar/college-counseling/matriculation
Holton Arms, class of 2014-2017:
15 to UVA
3 to Michigan
0 to Wake Forest

Choate Rosemary, past 5 years:
22 to Michigan
7 to UVA
0 to Wake Forest
https://www.choate.edu/uploaded/Documents/Academics/College_Profile.pdf

Phillips Exeter, class of 2015-2017:
25 to Michigan
4 to UVA
0 to Wake Forest
https://www.exeter.edu/sites/default/files/documents/college_matriculation.pdf

St. Paul’s, class of 2013-2016:
11 to UMich
9 to UVA
5 to Wake Forest
https://s3.amazonaws.com/k12-prod-us-east-1-media-pub/36/misc/misc_134107.pdf

Lawrenceville, class 2015-2017:
15 to UMich
15 to UVA
5 to Wake Forest
https://www.lawrenceville.org/page/academics/college-counseling

I find it somewhat bizarre that all this money is spent simply to get into excellent public schools that are still fairly easy to get into from Michigan and VA instate.

Kids at these HS don’t consider HS simply a way to get into a certain college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a lot of reading comp at Andover, evidently.

PP’s comment about NE schools was very vague and unclear.