MS-13 in local schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone give me a balanced reason why school administrators [everywhere] don't seem to care who attends the schools they run? Is it hyper-political correctness? Do they only care about the bottom line, ergo more revenue via inflating headcount by any means necessary? Or do their own kids rarely attend the district they run, so they just don't care?

I suspect it's about inflating revenue, with top priority of keeping pensions funded, but I'm really not sure. You see this exact same type of posture in public school administration everywhere.

What gave you that idea?

DP.. I think there are different things at play here. There is the approach of avoiding kids go from school to jail pipeline. If they kick those kids out of school, the kids have a much more higher chance of ending up in jail. IMO, I think all kids deserve a chance, BUT, there is a point where those kids shouldn't be in schools with the rest of the kids. IMO, I think those kids need rigid structure like military school.

If the are not legal residents here, yes, they should be deported. If they are old enough to be in a gang and commit violence, they are old enough to fend for themselves in their home country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm 18:03 illegal immigrants are not necessarily or even likely to be in MS-13. They do get targeted by these gangs once they are here because they are a more vulnerable population. MS13 in schools also prefers legal immigrants with family members back home. This way they don't lose recruits to ICE and they can pressure the family that is here.

I don't agree with Trump/Sessions policies on the border and think that their actions are simply providing theatrics for their rabid base while its lessoning the focus on getting the actual MS-13 members. I also don't agree with Montgomery County and MCPS letting gangs flourish in schools because they want to look good. The far extremes of either party are a disaster in terms of outcomes because they are simply creating a show.

A moderate Republican or conservative Democrat that is tough on crime in an effective manner is the best bet but these keep getting run out by the extremes on the right and left.

I would love your source for this statement.
Because, much of what I have read indicates the growth of MS 13 is in large part due to the influx of unaccompanied minors, i.e.. illegal aliens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ms-13-is-taking-over-the-school-one-teen-warned-before-she-was-killed/2018/03/09/93ed7c9c-2083-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.4940005bbe7f

What % of illegal immigrants do you think belong to MS-13?

(You can google - it’s an easy answer.)

This is the more important statistic........

Over a 10-year period (2005-2014) ICE arrested approximately 4,000 MS-13 members, leaders, and associates. This represents about 13 percent of all gang members they arrested nationwide (31,000) during that period.
92 percent of the MS-13 affiliated aliens arrested were illegal aliens. Of those, 16 percent had entered illegally at least twice.

https://cis.org/Fact-Sheet/Fact-Sheet-MS13-Arrests-ICE-20052014

So, without illegal immigration, MS 13 would NOT be the problem it is.

And what % of overall illegal immigrants? Also important.

[Anonymous]

The whole WaPo article is over 12 kids at Wirt?

[Anonymous]

MS-13 seems a lot like the mob, they make money through extortion. Except instead of people being vulnerable because of the mob corrupting the police, people are vulnerable because they fear calling the police either because they're undocumented or their family are undocumented.

MS-13 started here. It's an American phenomenon, just like the mob and other gangs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm 18:03 illegal immigrants are not necessarily or even likely to be in MS-13. They do get targeted by these gangs once they are here because they are a more vulnerable population. MS13 in schools also prefers legal immigrants with family members back home. This way they don't lose recruits to ICE and they can pressure the family that is here.

I don't agree with Trump/Sessions policies on the border and think that their actions are simply providing theatrics for their rabid base while its lessoning the focus on getting the actual MS-13 members. I also don't agree with Montgomery County and MCPS letting gangs flourish in schools because they want to look good. The far extremes of either party are a disaster in terms of outcomes because they are simply creating a show.

A moderate Republican or conservative Democrat that is tough on crime in an effective manner is the best bet but these keep getting run out by the extremes on the right and left.

I would love your source for this statement.
Because, much of what I have read indicates the growth of MS 13 is in large part due to the influx of unaccompanied minors, i.e.. illegal aliens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ms-13-is-taking-over-the-school-one-teen-warned-before-she-was-killed/2018/03/09/93ed7c9c-2083-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.4940005bbe7f

What % of illegal immigrants do you think belong to MS-13?

(You can google - it’s an easy answer.)

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgence-Immigration-Enforcement-Needed-Take-Back-Our-Streets

"Center researchers reviewed more than 500 cases of MS-13 gang members arrested nationwide since 2012. We conclude that this resurgence represents a very serious threat to public safety in communities where MS-13 has rebuilt itself. The resurgence is directly connected to the illegal arrival and resettlement of more than 300,000 Central American youths and families that has continued unabated for six years, and to a de-prioritization of immigration enforcement in the interior of the country that occurred at the same time.
Nevertheless, because such a large share of MS-13 members are not citizens, they are especially vulnerable to law enforcement, and many can be removed from the communities they terrorize. Strategic use of immigration enforcement is a necessary element to disrupting and dismantling MS-13 gangs and any other transnational criminal organization operating in our communities."
The proliferation of sanctuary policies that interfere with cooperation between state and local law enforcement agencies threatens to hamper efforts to stifle MS-13 activity. The federal government must take steps to clarify how federal law permits such cooperation and also must set up consequences for those jurisdictions and officials who impose sanctuary policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The whole WaPo article is over 12 kids at Wirt?

This is seriously your takeaway from the article? Wow. Great critical thinking skills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MS-13 seems a lot like the mob, they make money through extortion. Except instead of people being vulnerable because of the mob corrupting the police, people are vulnerable because they fear calling the police either because they're undocumented or their family are undocumented.

MS-13 started here. It's an American phenomenon, just like the mob and other gangs.

Are you actually defending a violent gang?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm 18:03 illegal immigrants are not necessarily or even likely to be in MS-13. They do get targeted by these gangs once they are here because they are a more vulnerable population. MS13 in schools also prefers legal immigrants with family members back home. This way they don't lose recruits to ICE and they can pressure the family that is here.

I don't agree with Trump/Sessions policies on the border and think that their actions are simply providing theatrics for their rabid base while its lessoning the focus on getting the actual MS-13 members. I also don't agree with Montgomery County and MCPS letting gangs flourish in schools because they want to look good. The far extremes of either party are a disaster in terms of outcomes because they are simply creating a show.

A moderate Republican or conservative Democrat that is tough on crime in an effective manner is the best bet but these keep getting run out by the extremes on the right and left.

I would love your source for this statement.
Because, much of what I have read indicates the growth of MS 13 is in large part due to the influx of unaccompanied minors, i.e.. illegal aliens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ms-13-is-taking-over-the-school-one-teen-warned-before-she-was-killed/2018/03/09/93ed7c9c-2083-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.4940005bbe7f

What % of illegal immigrants do you think belong to MS-13?

(You can google - it’s an easy answer.)

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgence-Immigration-Enforcement-Needed-Take-Back-Our-Streets

"Center researchers reviewed more than 500 cases of MS-13 gang members arrested nationwide since 2012. We conclude that this resurgence represents a very serious threat to public safety in communities where MS-13 has rebuilt itself. The resurgence is directly connected to the illegal arrival and resettlement of more than 300,000 Central American youths and families that has continued unabated for six years, and to a de-prioritization of immigration enforcement in the interior of the country that occurred at the same time.
Nevertheless, because such a large share of MS-13 members are not citizens, they are especially vulnerable to law enforcement, and many can be removed from the communities they terrorize. Strategic use of immigration enforcement is a necessary element to disrupting and dismantling MS-13 gangs and any other transnational criminal organization operating in our communities."
The proliferation of sanctuary policies that interfere with cooperation between state and local law enforcement agencies threatens to hamper efforts to stifle MS-13 activity. The federal government must take steps to clarify how federal law permits such cooperation and also must set up consequences for those jurisdictions and officials who impose sanctuary policies.

1. You still haven’t answered the question. Do you have the intellectual honesty to actually provide an answer?

2. Your source is terrible - could be considered a hate group:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-immigration-studies-cis/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MS-13 seems a lot like the mob, they make money through extortion. Except instead of people being vulnerable because of the mob corrupting the police, people are vulnerable because they fear calling the police either because they're undocumented or their family are undocumented.

MS-13 started here. It's an American phenomenon, just like the mob and other gangs.

MS-13 did not start in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MS-13 seems a lot like the mob, they make money through extortion. Except instead of people being vulnerable because of the mob corrupting the police, people are vulnerable because they fear calling the police either because they're undocumented or their family are undocumented.

MS-13 started here. It's an American phenomenon, just like the mob and other gangs.

MS-13 did not start in the US.

Yes it did. It started in Los Angeles. This is well known.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MS-13 seems a lot like the mob, they make money through extortion. Except instead of people being vulnerable because of the mob corrupting the police, people are vulnerable because they fear calling the police either because they're undocumented or their family are undocumented.

MS-13 started here. It's an American phenomenon, just like the mob and other gangs.

MS-13 did not start in the US.

Yes it did. It started in Los Angeles. This is well known.

Well, one thing for sure, it appears to be composed mostly of immigrants. At least, the ones who we read about in the paper who are murderers--and, the victims, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MS-13 seems a lot like the mob, they make money through extortion. Except instead of people being vulnerable because of the mob corrupting the police, people are vulnerable because they fear calling the police either because they're undocumented or their family are undocumented.

MS-13 started here. It's an American phenomenon, just like the mob and other gangs.

MS-13 did not start in the US.

Yes it did. It started in Los Angeles. This is well known.

Well, one thing for sure, it appears to be composed mostly of immigrants. At least, the ones who we read about in the paper who are murderers--and, the victims, too.

Some history:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39645640

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm 18:03 illegal immigrants are not necessarily or even likely to be in MS-13. They do get targeted by these gangs once they are here because they are a more vulnerable population. MS13 in schools also prefers legal immigrants with family members back home. This way they don't lose recruits to ICE and they can pressure the family that is here.

I don't agree with Trump/Sessions policies on the border and think that their actions are simply providing theatrics for their rabid base while its lessoning the focus on getting the actual MS-13 members. I also don't agree with Montgomery County and MCPS letting gangs flourish in schools because they want to look good. The far extremes of either party are a disaster in terms of outcomes because they are simply creating a show.

A moderate Republican or conservative Democrat that is tough on crime in an effective manner is the best bet but these keep getting run out by the extremes on the right and left.

I would love your source for this statement.
Because, much of what I have read indicates the growth of MS 13 is in large part due to the influx of unaccompanied minors, i.e.. illegal aliens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ms-13-is-taking-over-the-school-one-teen-warned-before-she-was-killed/2018/03/09/93ed7c9c-2083-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.4940005bbe7f

What % of illegal immigrants do you think belong to MS-13?

(You can google - it’s an easy answer.)

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgence-Immigration-Enforcement-Needed-Take-Back-Our-Streets

"Center researchers reviewed more than 500 cases of MS-13 gang members arrested nationwide since 2012. We conclude that this resurgence represents a very serious threat to public safety in communities where MS-13 has rebuilt itself. The resurgence is directly connected to the illegal arrival and resettlement of more than 300,000 Central American youths and families that has continued unabated for six years, and to a de-prioritization of immigration enforcement in the interior of the country that occurred at the same time.
Nevertheless, because such a large share of MS-13 members are not citizens, they are especially vulnerable to law enforcement, and many can be removed from the communities they terrorize. Strategic use of immigration enforcement is a necessary element to disrupting and dismantling MS-13 gangs and any other transnational criminal organization operating in our communities."
The proliferation of sanctuary policies that interfere with cooperation between state and local law enforcement agencies threatens to hamper efforts to stifle MS-13 activity. The federal government must take steps to clarify how federal law permits such cooperation and also must set up consequences for those jurisdictions and officials who impose sanctuary policies.

1. You still haven’t answered the question. Do you have the intellectual honesty to actually provide an answer?

2. Your source is terrible - could be considered a hate group:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-immigration-studies-cis/

Hint: check the ICE website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm 18:03 illegal immigrants are not necessarily or even likely to be in MS-13. They do get targeted by these gangs once they are here because they are a more vulnerable population. MS13 in schools also prefers legal immigrants with family members back home. This way they don't lose recruits to ICE and they can pressure the family that is here.

I don't agree with Trump/Sessions policies on the border and think that their actions are simply providing theatrics for their rabid base while its lessoning the focus on getting the actual MS-13 members. I also don't agree with Montgomery County and MCPS letting gangs flourish in schools because they want to look good. The far extremes of either party are a disaster in terms of outcomes because they are simply creating a show.

A moderate Republican or conservative Democrat that is tough on crime in an effective manner is the best bet but these keep getting run out by the extremes on the right and left.

I would love your source for this statement.
Because, much of what I have read indicates the growth of MS 13 is in large part due to the influx of unaccompanied minors, i.e.. illegal aliens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ms-13-is-taking-over-the-school-one-teen-warned-before-she-was-killed/2018/03/09/93ed7c9c-2083-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.4940005bbe7f

What % of illegal immigrants do you think belong to MS-13?

(You can google - it’s an easy answer.)

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgence-Immigration-Enforcement-Needed-Take-Back-Our-Streets

"Center researchers reviewed more than 500 cases of MS-13 gang members arrested nationwide since 2012. We conclude that this resurgence represents a very serious threat to public safety in communities where MS-13 has rebuilt itself. The resurgence is directly connected to the illegal arrival and resettlement of more than 300,000 Central American youths and families that has continued unabated for six years, and to a de-prioritization of immigration enforcement in the interior of the country that occurred at the same time.
Nevertheless, because such a large share of MS-13 members are not citizens, they are especially vulnerable to law enforcement, and many can be removed from the communities they terrorize. Strategic use of immigration enforcement is a necessary element to disrupting and dismantling MS-13 gangs and any other transnational criminal organization operating in our communities."
The proliferation of sanctuary policies that interfere with cooperation between state and local law enforcement agencies threatens to hamper efforts to stifle MS-13 activity. The federal government must take steps to clarify how federal law permits such cooperation and also must set up consequences for those jurisdictions and officials who impose sanctuary policies.

1. You still haven’t answered the question. Do you have the intellectual honesty to actually provide an answer?

2. Your source is terrible - could be considered a hate group:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-immigration-studies-cis/

If you'd like to go ahead and put your liberal spin on what is violent criminal organization, please feel free. I'm sure you'll continue defending these absolute animals - at least until the day one of your loved ones is brutally attacked at school and/or murdered by them. Then I wonder what you'll have to say. Oh, wait - your kids don't have to go to school with them, do they? So really, this doesn't affect you in the least. It's just a convenient way for you to pose as "enlightened" while calling the people who are actually concerned about this blight, a "hate group." Typical.

Also, I'm confused. Should we just recognize that gangs are simply poor, misunderstood young kids who shouldn't be criminalized for their heinous behavior? Let's just twist some statistics to show they're not as bad as some people think, and really, just an exaggerated nuisance. In fact, trying to get rid of them may actually make the problem worse. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm 18:03 illegal immigrants are not necessarily or even likely to be in MS-13. They do get targeted by these gangs once they are here because they are a more vulnerable population. MS13 in schools also prefers legal immigrants with family members back home. This way they don't lose recruits to ICE and they can pressure the family that is here.

I don't agree with Trump/Sessions policies on the border and think that their actions are simply providing theatrics for their rabid base while its lessoning the focus on getting the actual MS-13 members. I also don't agree with Montgomery County and MCPS letting gangs flourish in schools because they want to look good. The far extremes of either party are a disaster in terms of outcomes because they are simply creating a show.

A moderate Republican or conservative Democrat that is tough on crime in an effective manner is the best bet but these keep getting run out by the extremes on the right and left.

I would love your source for this statement.
Because, much of what I have read indicates the growth of MS 13 is in large part due to the influx of unaccompanied minors, i.e.. illegal aliens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ms-13-is-taking-over-the-school-one-teen-warned-before-she-was-killed/2018/03/09/93ed7c9c-2083-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.4940005bbe7f

What % of illegal immigrants do you think belong to MS-13?

(You can google - it’s an easy answer.)

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgence-Immigration-Enforcement-Needed-Take-Back-Our-Streets

"Center researchers reviewed more than 500 cases of MS-13 gang members arrested nationwide since 2012. We conclude that this resurgence represents a very serious threat to public safety in communities where MS-13 has rebuilt itself. The resurgence is directly connected to the illegal arrival and resettlement of more than 300,000 Central American youths and families that has continued unabated for six years, and to a de-prioritization of immigration enforcement in the interior of the country that occurred at the same time.
Nevertheless, because such a large share of MS-13 members are not citizens, they are especially vulnerable to law enforcement, and many can be removed from the communities they terrorize. Strategic use of immigration enforcement is a necessary element to disrupting and dismantling MS-13 gangs and any other transnational criminal organization operating in our communities."
The proliferation of sanctuary policies that interfere with cooperation between state and local law enforcement agencies threatens to hamper efforts to stifle MS-13 activity. The federal government must take steps to clarify how federal law permits such cooperation and also must set up consequences for those jurisdictions and officials who impose sanctuary policies.

1. You still haven’t answered the question. Do you have the intellectual honesty to actually provide an answer?

2. Your source is terrible - could be considered a hate group:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-immigration-studies-cis/

If you'd like to go ahead and put your liberal spin on what is violent criminal organization, please feel free. I'm sure you'll continue defending these absolute animals - at least until the day one of your loved ones is brutally attacked at school and/or murdered by them. Then I wonder what you'll have to say. Oh, wait - your kids don't have to go to school with them, do they? So really, this doesn't affect you in the least. It's just a convenient way for you to pose as "enlightened" while calling the people who are actually concerned about this blight, a "hate group." Typical.

Also, I'm confused. Should we just recognize that gangs are simply poor, misunderstood young kids who shouldn't be criminalized for their heinous behavior? Let's just twist some statistics to show they're not as bad as some people think, and really, just an exaggerated nuisance. In fact, trying to get rid of them may actually make the problem worse. Got it.

That’s all BS. No one said they aren’t horribly vile criminals. No one said they should be addressed (which has been happening since the 90s!). It might be worth reevaluating our approach because shipping them back in the 90s just lead towards HUGE growth in #s.

But they really aren’t as prevelant as Trump’s propaganda machine implies. They are not the face of illegal immigration. They are a tiny fraction.