VA MD DC Girls soccer - thoughts, opinions

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Anonymous wrote:News to me reading this thread that GDA is going to take 06s next year. I'm not a top team parent, but how do those parents find out. It is not in the interest of the non-DA clubs to tell them.

Hey, that is a qood question. If you are at McLean Soccer they are not going to tell you anything. They want players to try out for the ECNL later in Spring, not GDA. I bet it is the same at Bethesda.

There was this birth year switch 2 or 3 years ago and we were like the last to find out anything even though nearby clubs had websites about it.

This is something parents need to seek out for themselves. Forums like this are certainly an avenue for that. But no, generally clubs do not advertise other clubs tryouts and to expect that they would is naive.

u hit the nail on the head. clubs do not care at all if you are informed about what may be best for your dd or is there is something she might want to consider. it is a business. we have met parents waiting for their coach or club -- that has neither ecnl or da -- to tell them about what they are supposed to do with their star dd and they act like their trusty top team coach is going to guide or alert them. the pp is correct, it is just naive to drink this kool-aid that they will take care of you. talk to parents read online and meet coaches from outside your network that are in the know and dont have an agenda. good luck to all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:BSC, Mclean, all of them. USSF don't? play that dual-club tune in the DMV.

Could be worse @ Loudoun or Arlington sporting away in U13 CCL next season.

Ask your DOC why USSF is not "circulating" this:

https://ussoccer.app.box.com/s/mzlyw0ld7v1c0wkbojo8o7m5bfy54c69

Thanks for posting this, very helpful to hear it from the horse's mouth.

It is interesting that 03 girls from Frontier will now get an extra year at older ages to be scouted. Nationally, DA is drawing the most D 1 scouts compared to ECNL which is better for D 2- 3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:News to me reading this thread that GDA is going to take 06s next year. I'm not a top team parent, but how do those parents find out. It is not in the interest of the non-DA clubs to tell them.

If your child is ECNL than you already are probably in the loop of what's going on. If you aren’t you should subscribe to soccer news outlets like soccerwire or facebook or twitter services for us club soccer , us soccer, even the league or team feeds.

TBH, I didn’t know how NSCL, ODSL worked or that EDP or ECNL even existed until last year.

Thats why it’s nice to see something like DCUM discussing this, but unfortunately the sub here is just sports and not only soccer. There is some good info in the huge threads but hard to sift through and find.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:BSC, Mclean, all of them. USSF don't? play that dual-club tune in the DMV.

Could be worse @ Loudoun or Arlington sporting away in U13 CCL next season.

Ask your DOC why USSF is not "circulating" this:

https://ussoccer.app.box.com/s/mzlyw0ld7v1c0wkbojo8o7m5bfy54c69

BSC polled the membership and the overwhelming majority of members wanted to play high school, and were interested primarily in College recruiting, over national/international/professional play. Thus, the decision to stick with ECNL

That was pretty short sighted of Bethesda

I guess we will see whether Bethesda can continue to attract great players to play in the ECNL. I doubt they'll lose player #s overall. As indicated by the survey, most of the actual BSC members aren't looking beyond college and didn't want to trade the high school soccer team experience for the DA.

That’s current players who have been in the old system for years. I think it will change as the system shakes out. There will be a few holdouts in the ECNL who will be able to draw the top players(mainly urban areas), but nation wide the DA will win out. The few holdouts will be excluded from the tournaments and find it harder and harder find quality opponents to play(ie a lot more travel). This will drive the cost up. The college coaches will follow the DA. It’s just a matter of time.

Exactly, GDA was never about the hearts and minds of current Juniors and Seniors. The battle will be won with the crop of 06, 07 and 08 players.

Or even the current 04 and 05 players once parents begin comparing the lists of college coaches attending GDA showcases v ECNL events v (yawn) USYS events like the National League stuff, which seems to be the only place left for clubs outside of the DA and ECNL structure to go to try to get a look from college coaches.

Good riddance to the Nat'l League I say...

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Anonymous wrote:BSC, Mclean, all of them. USSF don't? play that dual-club tune in the DMV.

Could be worse @ Loudoun or Arlington sporting away in U13 CCL next season.

Ask your DOC why USSF is not "circulating" this:

https://ussoccer.app.box.com/s/mzlyw0ld7v1c0wkbojo8o7m5bfy54c69

BSC polled the membership and the overwhelming majority of members wanted to play high school, and were interested primarily in College recruiting, over national/international/professional play. Thus, the decision to stick with ECNL

That was pretty short sighted of Bethesda

I guess we will see whether Bethesda can continue to attract great players to play in the ECNL. I doubt they'll lose player #s overall. As indicated by the survey, most of the actual BSC members aren't looking beyond college and didn't want to trade the high school soccer team experience for the DA.

That’s current players who have been in the old system for years. I think it will change as the system shakes out. There will be a few holdouts in the ECNL who will be able to draw the top players(mainly urban areas), but nation wide the DA will win out. The few holdouts will be excluded from the tournaments and find it harder and harder find quality opponents to play(ie a lot more travel). This will drive the cost up. The college coaches will follow the DA. It’s just a matter of time.

Exactly, GDA was never about the hearts and minds of current Juniors and Seniors. The battle will be won with the crop of 06, 07 and 08 players.

Or even the current 04 and 05 players once parents begin comparing the lists of college coaches attending GDA showcases v ECNL events v (yawn) USYS events like the National League stuff, which seems to be the only place left for clubs outside of the DA and ECNL structure to go to try to get a look from college coaches.

04 attrition to GDA is probably about 50/50. I think 05 will be closer to 60/40 in favor of GDA. By 08/09 GDA will have between 80/20 - 70/30.

Agreed, and really I was one of the people that thought ECNL would ride it out for at least 5 years. They can justify the cost, not sure who will be around to pay for the travel for what is seen as second tier soccer, at that point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:News to me reading this thread that GDA is going to take 06s next year. I'm not a top team parent, but how do those parents find out. It is not in the interest of the non-DA clubs to tell them.

If your child is ECNL than you already are probably in the loop of what's going on. If you aren’t you should subscribe to soccer news outlets like soccerwire or facebook or twitter services for us club soccer , us soccer, even the league or team feeds.

TBH, I didn’t know how NSCL, ODSL worked or that EDP or ECNL even existed until last year.

Thats why it’s nice to see something like DCUM discussing this, but unfortunately the sub here is just sports and not only soccer. There is some good info in the huge threads but hard to sift through and find.

I don't know why the posters on this forum (including me) are so reluctant to start new threads on a variety of soccer topics vs. contributing to the massive threads. Maybe this should be a new year's challenge?

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Anonymous wrote:VDA also shows 2006s. Rumors abound about GDA starting earlier.

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Soon the question won't be "which Clubs are getting DA?", it will be "which Club doesn't have 'DA?". These teams will essentially become just like the good old "A" teams in CCL when every Club in the area offers them.

Won't they all end up playing themselves when there are 6-8 DA clubs in the local area? You know, just like CCL?

Invite-only tryouts is not casting a wide-net. If anyone thinks the way the DA system is currently set-up is casting a wide-net, I want what their smoking.

Maybe the ladies want to stop following the fellows. They aren't a success story.

First of all the purpose of DA is to create an integrated pyramid structure where clubs develop players organically from within and move the players up the pyramid and prepare them for high level professional and national team play.

One of the challenges in the DC area has been that there are lots of small to midsize clubs - many of whom have had success at the regional and national level, but the development of players has been secondary to building teams to win competitions.

There ultimately will not be 6-8 DA clubs in the DC area. There may end up being a total of 3-4 with feeder clubs at the younger ages. US Soccer will encourage clubs to merge or combine forces. Years ago, they tried to actually get the CCL clubs to all support 1 DA squad, but all of the coaching / TD egos prevented it.

As for will they just all play each other like CCL? Maybe a little bit at the younger ages where they are trying to limit travel, but not st the older ages. Yes, the 3-4 teams in the area will play each other but they will be in conferences aligned regionally and then play competition outside of the region at the two yearly showcase events.

This is terrible news... not everyone is going to make it to Pro level, and all this travel/rankings isn't required for college, they basically want fast, strong players. I'm pretty sure they would take a football player that decided he wanted to play soccer in college. However all this structure is setup to give parents and older kids a view that maybe they can make it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:News to me reading this thread that GDA is going to take 06s next year. I'm not a top team parent, but how do those parents find out. It is not in the interest of the non-DA clubs to tell them.

If your child is ECNL than you already are probably in the loop of what's going on. If you aren’t you should subscribe to soccer news outlets like soccerwire or facebook or twitter services for us club soccer , us soccer, even the league or team feeds.

TBH, I didn’t know how NSCL, ODSL worked or that EDP or ECNL even existed until last year.

Thats why it’s nice to see something like DCUM discussing this, but unfortunately the sub here is just sports and not only soccer. There is some good info in the huge threads but hard to sift through and find.

I don't know why the posters on this forum (including me) are so reluctant to start new threads on a variety of soccer topics vs. contributing to the massive threads. Maybe this should be a new year's challenge?

I started this thread because of the boys vs girls comments on the "Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part I and II " threads hoping to allow those that didn't want to be confused or talk about the nuances of the girls side an outlet. so far. so good.. I think more threads would exacerbate the inability to find certain things as they get pushed back into the older threads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VDA also shows 2006s. Rumors abound about GDA starting earlier.

?

Soon the question won't be "which Clubs are getting DA?", it will be "which Club doesn't have 'DA?". These teams will essentially become just like the good old "A" teams in CCL when every Club in the area offers them.

Won't they all end up playing themselves when there are 6-8 DA clubs in the local area? You know, just like CCL?

Invite-only tryouts is not casting a wide-net. If anyone thinks the way the DA system is currently set-up is casting a wide-net, I want what their smoking.

Maybe the ladies want to stop following the fellows. They aren't a success story.

First of all the purpose of DA is to create an integrated pyramid structure where clubs develop players organically from within and move the players up the pyramid and prepare them for high level professional and national team play.

One of the challenges in the DC area has been that there are lots of small to midsize clubs - many of whom have had success at the regional and national level, but the development of players has been secondary to building teams to win competitions.

There ultimately will not be 6-8 DA clubs in the DC area. There may end up being a total of 3-4 with feeder clubs at the younger ages. US Soccer will encourage clubs to merge or combine forces. Years ago, they tried to actually get the CCL clubs to all support 1 DA squad, but all of the coaching / TD egos prevented it.

As for will they just all play each other like CCL? Maybe a little bit at the younger ages where they are trying to limit travel, but not st the older ages. Yes, the 3-4 teams in the area will play each other but they will be in conferences aligned regionally and then play competition outside of the region at the two yearly showcase events.

This is terrible news... not everyone is going to make it to Pro level, and all this travel/rankings isn't required for college, they basically want fast, strong players. I'm pretty sure they would take a football player that decided he wanted to play soccer in college. However all this structure is setup to give parents and older kids a view that maybe they can make it.

Why is this terrible news?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:News to me reading this thread that GDA is going to take 06s next year. I'm not a top team parent, but how do those parents find out. It is not in the interest of the non-DA clubs to tell them.

If your child is ECNL than you already are probably in the loop of what's going on. If you aren’t you should subscribe to soccer news outlets like soccerwire or facebook or twitter services for us club soccer , us soccer, even the league or team feeds.

TBH, I didn’t know how NSCL, ODSL worked or that EDP or ECNL even existed until last year.

Thats why it’s nice to see something like DCUM discussing this, but unfortunately the sub here is just sports and not only soccer. There is some good info in the huge threads but hard to sift through and find.

I don't know why the posters on this forum (including me) are so reluctant to start new threads on a variety of soccer topics vs. contributing to the massive threads. Maybe this should be a new year's challenge?

I started this thread because of the boys vs girls comments on the "Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part I and II " threads hoping to allow those that didn't want to be confused or talk about the nuances of the girls side an outlet. so far. so good.. I think more threads would exacerbate the inability to find certain things as they get pushed back into the older threads.

I would like to see a thread on girls travel team tryouts. I remember when we started with our dd - very confusing(all the terms and acronyms), what to expect, rec coaches clueless or holding back so not lose the “better” girls, when are the tryouts, what are the clubs in the area, some clubs are bad in term of development, what to look for in a club, etc. Also good advice from people who have been through it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:News to me reading this thread that GDA is going to take 06s next year. I'm not a top team parent, but how do those parents find out. It is not in the interest of the non-DA clubs to tell them.

If your child is ECNL than you already are probably in the loop of what's going on. If you aren’t you should subscribe to soccer news outlets like soccerwire or facebook or twitter services for us club soccer , us soccer, even the league or team feeds.

TBH, I didn’t know how NSCL, ODSL worked or that EDP or ECNL even existed until last year.

Thats why it’s nice to see something like DCUM discussing this, but unfortunately the sub here is just sports and not only soccer. There is some good info in the huge threads but hard to sift through and find.

I don't know why the posters on this forum (including me) are so reluctant to start new threads on a variety of soccer topics vs. contributing to the massive threads. Maybe this should be a new year's challenge?

I started this thread because of the boys vs girls comments on the "Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part I and II " threads hoping to allow those that didn't want to be confused or talk about the nuances of the girls side an outlet. so far. so good.. I think more threads would exacerbate the inability to find certain things as they get pushed back into the older threads.

I would like to see a thread on girls travel team tryouts. I remember when we started with our dd - very confusing(all the terms and acronyms), what to expect, rec coaches clueless or holding back so not lose the “better” girls, when are the tryouts, what are the clubs in the area, some clubs are bad in term of development, what to look for in a club, etc. Also good advice from people who have been through it.

You do understand that you have the ability to make any thread you like. You don't need to ask for it, just post it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:News to me reading this thread that GDA is going to take 06s next year. I'm not a top team parent, but how do those parents find out. It is not in the interest of the non-DA clubs to tell them.

If your child is ECNL than you already are probably in the loop of what's going on. If you aren’t you should subscribe to soccer news outlets like soccerwire or facebook or twitter services for us club soccer , us soccer, even the league or team feeds.

TBH, I didn’t know how NSCL, ODSL worked or that EDP or ECNL even existed until last year.

Thats why it’s nice to see something like DCUM discussing this, but unfortunately the sub here is just sports and not only soccer. There is some good info in the huge threads but hard to sift through and find.

I don't know why the posters on this forum (including me) are so reluctant to start new threads on a variety of soccer topics vs. contributing to the massive threads. Maybe this should be a new year's challenge?

Thank you. The thread has been a nice one of late, and the focus on girls' developments is very helpful. The other big thread had too much going on with league debates and the fight over the future of US Soccer. There is a lot going on in girls soccer in the area, and a lot of posters in that thread did not like the discussions tracking all the youth soccer stuff on the girls side.

Newbies can search Part 1 of the main big thread for many answers to their basic questions.

I started this thread because of the boys vs girls comments on the "Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part I and II " threads hoping to allow those that didn't want to be confused or talk about the nuances of the girls side an outlet. so far. so good.. I think more threads would exacerbate the inability to find certain things as they get pushed back into the older threads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Arlington doesn't have the field space for DA expansion

Arlington Soccer Association apparently thinks so. It submitted an application for DA expansion back in December and will receive an answer in February.

In addition to applying for a full academy for the boys, with all six of the boys' age groups, it applied for all four current age groups for the girls.

I cannot envision more talent dilution with yet another full USGDA, this time based geographically inside the beltway, but these are crazy times.

Maybe they receive only a U13 pilot USGDA program, but if it is a full girls academy, it will be the nail in the coffin of the three nearby ECNL clubs.

I also remember discussion on these boards that ECNL may slowly phase out over 5 years ...... hmmmmmmmm ......

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington doesn't have the field space for DA expansion

Arlington Soccer Association apparently thinks so. It submitted an application for DA expansion back in December and will receive an answer in February.

In addition to applying for a full academy for the boys, with all six of the boys' age groups, it applied for all four current age groups for the girls.

I cannot envision more talent dilution with yet another full USGDA, this time based geographically inside the beltway, but these are crazy times.

Maybe they receive only a U13 pilot USGDA program, but if it is a full girls academy, it will be the nail in the coffin of the three nearby ECNL clubs.

I also remember discussion on these boards that ECNL may slowly phase out over 5 years ...... hmmmmmmmm .....

Really?!

Fingers crossed for something inside the beltway.

[Anonymous]

^^ DOC reported it at an ASA meeting back in December so looks legit with U14, U15, U16/17, U18/19, plus the U13 Atlantic trial presumably, all for girls. USSDA has to approve it.