ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

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Sounds good! Oh you know what though? We don't have much power in Washington.

You know who did? President Obama. And he decided not to go for single payer.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.alternet.org/story/139959/obama_for_single-payer_before_he_was_against_it.%3famp

Who's we?? The Republicans have all the power in Washington right now. If they chose to squander it and be completely incompetent, that's there problem (and the country's gain)

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

OK, so it's also safe to say that if the GOP did a better, the ACA wouldn't suck so much.

The GOP is basically saying "Be rich or die, if you have a serious health issue." Who needs Al Qaeda trying to bomb us when half our reps are pushing this policy outcome?

This is true today under Obamacare. Americans are dying every day in America because they can't afford care.

Not true. There is no lifetime limit, no restrictions on pre-existing conditions under Obamacare today. More people can afford to pay off $25K related to cancer ($15K for premiums, plus $10K out of pocket max for Obamacare). Those people will NEVER be able to afford to pay $150K, which is what is what a bout of cancer will cost if the GOP passes the current legislation on the table.

Do the math: $25K under Obamacare today vs. six-figures under the GOP proposal. Which is more affordable?

Of course, if the GOP wants to adopt single-payer I will happily support them! Let's make it truly affordable.

God, some of you are gullible idiots.

Yes, lots of sick people in America still die from lack of care. Millions of people still don't have insurance. Lots of sick people with nominal insurance still can't afford treatment.

If you are horrified by the Republican plan but are A-OK with Obamacare, then you're a joke. The difference is a matter of degree.

Great, so you're pushing the Dems and GOP to adopt single payer? Let's do it! I'll join you in that effort.

Sounds good! Oh you know what though? We don't have much power in Washington.

You know who did? President Obama. And he decided not to go for single payer.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.alternet.org/story/139959/obama_for_single-payer_before_he_was_against_it.%3famp

Well, why don't we fix what we have today? You seem focused on a magical fantasy scenario that didn't exist in reality. Obama didn't have the votes for single payer back in 2009. GOP wasn't voting for it (100% bought off by the Koch's) and neither were a large portion of the Dems (50% were in the pocket of healthcare companies). So yeah, Obama couldn't magically conjure up single payer.

Again, if I have to face cancer today under the ACA at $25K, that's much more affordable than $100K+ under the GOP plan. I like the ACA, even if it is a sh#t-sandwich.

You (and people like you) can't be trusted. You lie. The fact that Obama didn't support single payer has nothing to do with whether he had the votes. He balked on single payer well before it even got to that point.

It's obvious that most politicians are corporate sell outs, but I don't understand why peons like you carry their water. At least they are getting paid off. What do you get out of it?

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

OK, so it's also safe to say that if the GOP did a better, the ACA wouldn't suck so much.

The GOP is basically saying "Be rich or die, if you have a serious health issue." Who needs Al Qaeda trying to bomb us when half our reps are pushing this policy outcome?

This is true today under Obamacare. Americans are dying every day in America because they can't afford care.

Not true. There is no lifetime limit, no restrictions on pre-existing conditions under Obamacare today. More people can afford to pay off $25K related to cancer ($15K for premiums, plus $10K out of pocket max for Obamacare). Those people will NEVER be able to afford to pay $150K, which is what is what a bout of cancer will cost if the GOP passes the current legislation on the table.

Do the math: $25K under Obamacare today vs. six-figures under the GOP proposal. Which is more affordable?

Of course, if the GOP wants to adopt single-payer I will happily support them! Let's make it truly affordable.

God, some of you are gullible idiots.

Yes, lots of sick people in America still die from lack of care. Millions of people still don't have insurance. Lots of sick people with nominal insurance still can't afford treatment.

If you are horrified by the Republican plan but are A-OK with Obamacare, then you're a joke. The difference is a matter of degree.

so you are saying that because ACA leaves some without insurance, the solution is a plan that would leave 20 additional millions or more without insurance? sounds smart

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

OK, so it's also safe to say that if the GOP did a better, the ACA wouldn't suck so much.

The GOP is basically saying "Be rich or die, if you have a serious health issue." Who needs Al Qaeda trying to bomb us when half our reps are pushing this policy outcome?

This is true today under Obamacare. Americans are dying every day in America because they can't afford care.

Not true. There is no lifetime limit, no restrictions on pre-existing conditions under Obamacare today. More people can afford to pay off $25K related to cancer ($15K for premiums, plus $10K out of pocket max for Obamacare). Those people will NEVER be able to afford to pay $150K, which is what is what a bout of cancer will cost if the GOP passes the current legislation on the table.

Do the math: $25K under Obamacare today vs. six-figures under the GOP proposal. Which is more affordable?

Of course, if the GOP wants to adopt single-payer I will happily support them! Let's make it truly affordable.

God, some of you are gullible idiots.

Yes, lots of sick people in America still die from lack of care. Millions of people still don't have insurance. Lots of sick people with nominal insurance still can't afford treatment.

If you are horrified by the Republican plan but are A-OK with Obamacare, then you're a joke. The difference is a matter of degree.

so you are saying that because ACA leaves some without insurance, the solution is a plan that would leave 20 additional millions or more without insurance? sounds smart

No, Sherlock. Learn to read.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

OK, so it's also safe to say that if the GOP did a better, the ACA wouldn't suck so much.

The GOP is basically saying "Be rich or die, if you have a serious health issue." Who needs Al Qaeda trying to bomb us when half our reps are pushing this policy outcome?

This is true today under Obamacare. Americans are dying every day in America because they can't afford care.

Not true. There is no lifetime limit, no restrictions on pre-existing conditions under Obamacare today. More people can afford to pay off $25K related to cancer ($15K for premiums, plus $10K out of pocket max for Obamacare). Those people will NEVER be able to afford to pay $150K, which is what is what a bout of cancer will cost if the GOP passes the current legislation on the table.

Do the math: $25K under Obamacare today vs. six-figures under the GOP proposal. Which is more affordable?

Of course, if the GOP wants to adopt single-payer I will happily support them! Let's make it truly affordable.

God, some of you are gullible idiots.

Yes, lots of sick people in America still die from lack of care. Millions of people still don't have insurance. Lots of sick people with nominal insurance still can't afford treatment.

If you are horrified by the Republican plan but are A-OK with Obamacare, then you're a joke. The difference is a matter of degree.

Great, so you're pushing the Dems and GOP to adopt single payer? Let's do it! I'll join you in that effort.

Sounds good! Oh you know what though? We don't have much power in Washington.

You know who did? President Obama. And he decided not to go for single payer.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.alternet.org/story/139959/obama_for_single-payer_before_he_was_against_it.%3famp

Well, why don't we fix what we have today? You seem focused on a magical fantasy scenario that didn't exist in reality. Obama didn't have the votes for single payer back in 2009. GOP wasn't voting for it (100% bought off by the Koch's) and neither were a large portion of the Dems (50% were in the pocket of healthcare companies). So yeah, Obama couldn't magically conjure up single payer.

Again, if I have to face cancer today under the ACA at $25K, that's much more affordable than $100K+ under the GOP plan. I like the ACA, even if it is a sh#t-sandwich.

So far, the Republicans don't have the votes for their plan either. But they aren't giving up on it. They're pushing for it. Because that's what you do when you want something.

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To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

The ACA was the Heritage Foundation solution for healthcare. Obama based his legislation on it in the hopes it would get bipartisan support. They held hundreds of hearing, town halls and floor debate, accepted amendments from the GOP etc and yet the GOP is still fighting it. THIS IS THEIR PLAN. The reason they have nothing but the crap they are offering now is because Obama used the GOP plan.

If it doesn't work, then fix it or replace it with single payer. But the current bill being offered is horrendous and the only reason the GOP is pushing it is to eliminate the black man form the national lexicon.

ACA may have been based on the Heritage Foundation plan but the reality is that it passed with a totally partisan vote. The Democrats voted for it and the Republicans were opposed to it. Those who voted against it were the ones who saw how seriously flawed the legislation was and how it would end up - namely a fiasco which would require endless additional funding to keep it viable.

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To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

The ACA was the Heritage Foundation solution for healthcare. Obama based his legislation on it in the hopes it would get bipartisan support. They held hundreds of hearing, town halls and floor debate, accepted amendments from the GOP etc and yet the GOP is still fighting it. THIS IS THEIR PLAN. The reason they have nothing but the crap they are offering now is because Obama used the GOP plan.

If it doesn't work, then fix it or replace it with single payer. But the current bill being offered is horrendous and the only reason the GOP is pushing it is to eliminate the black man form the national lexicon.

ACA may have been based on the Heritage Foundation plan but the reality is that it passed with a totally partisan vote. The Democrats voted for it and the Republicans were opposed to it. Those who voted against it were the ones who saw how seriously flawed the legislation was and how it would end up - namely a fiasco which would require endless additional funding to keep it viable.

But they had input, regardless of their vote. There was months of debate. Republican amendments were offered and voted on. Government estimates were developed. So, this was not a partisan endeavor like this one is.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

OK, so it's also safe to say that if the GOP did a better, the ACA wouldn't suck so much.

The GOP is basically saying "Be rich or die, if you have a serious health issue." Who needs Al Qaeda trying to bomb us when half our reps are pushing this policy outcome?

This is true today under Obamacare. Americans are dying every day in America because they can't afford care.

Not true. There is no lifetime limit, no restrictions on pre-existing conditions under Obamacare today. More people can afford to pay off $25K related to cancer ($15K for premiums, plus $10K out of pocket max for Obamacare). Those people will NEVER be able to afford to pay $150K, which is what is what a bout of cancer will cost if the GOP passes the current legislation on the table.

Do the math: $25K under Obamacare today vs. six-figures under the GOP proposal. Which is more affordable?

Of course, if the GOP wants to adopt single-payer I will happily support them! Let's make it truly affordable.

God, some of you are gullible idiots.

Yes, lots of sick people in America still die from lack of care. Millions of people still don't have insurance. Lots of sick people with nominal insurance still can't afford treatment.

If you are horrified by the Republican plan but are A-OK with Obamacare, then you're a joke. The difference is a matter of degree.

so you are saying that because ACA leaves some without insurance, the solution is a plan that would leave 20 additional millions or more without insurance? sounds smart

No, Sherlock. Learn to read.

It is what you're saying. Learn to think and to write. The ACA is not all things, but I don't hear anyone on the R side putting forth a bill that is an improvement or that will increase access or affordability. You want to bring single payer to the floor? DO IT. Obama tried to start the healthcare discussion from a place of compromise, which is why he didn't start with single payer. He made the mistake of giving the Republicans any credit for being honorable or willing to work across the aisle. Disgraceful.

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To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

The ACA was the Heritage Foundation solution for healthcare. Obama based his legislation on it in the hopes it would get bipartisan support. They held hundreds of hearing, town halls and floor debate, accepted amendments from the GOP etc and yet the GOP is still fighting it. THIS IS THEIR PLAN. The reason they have nothing but the crap they are offering now is because Obama used the GOP plan.

If it doesn't work, then fix it or replace it with single payer. But the current bill being offered is horrendous and the only reason the GOP is pushing it is to eliminate the black man form the national lexicon.

ACA may have been based on the Heritage Foundation plan but the reality is that it passed with a totally partisan vote. The Democrats voted for it and the Republicans were opposed to it. Those who voted against it were the ones who saw how seriously flawed the legislation was and how it would end up - namely a fiasco which would require endless additional funding to keep it viable.

And yet the ACA saved my sibling's life. So FU to all of you who are saying it is better for 10-30 million Americans NOT to have insurance and millions more not to be covered when they have cancer or some other life-threatening disease.

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ACA may have been based on the Heritage Foundation plan but the reality is that it passed with a totally partisan vote. The Democrats voted for it and the Republicans were opposed to it. Those who voted against it were the ones who saw how seriously flawed the legislation was and how it would end up - namely a fiasco which would require endless additional funding to keep it viable.

You had one group of people who opposed it because it was the black man.
You had another (like Rand Paul) who opposed because libertarian.

If you could go back in a time machine, you would understand how flawed our previous system was and how costs were already spiraling out of control. While it was and is harmful to many, the ACA reduced the societal cost of healthcare significantly.

It needs to be fixed or changed to single payer, but the GOP plan is awful.

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What? The ACA should not have mixed insurance and entitlements, went overboard in coverage [yes you can get paid medical transport to the dentist if the state didn't get a waiver], No hard penalties.

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Anonymous wrote:Why threads on hillary's book and other crap when Rs are about to repeal ACA? Why no outrage? Im not counting more than 2 No votes. Collins & Murkowski.

Oh, sweetie - check your outrage. It's just politics, OK?

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To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

The ACA was the Heritage Foundation solution for healthcare. Obama based his legislation on it in the hopes it would get bipartisan support. They held hundreds of hearing, town halls and floor debate, accepted amendments from the GOP etc and yet the GOP is still fighting it. THIS IS THEIR PLAN. The reason they have nothing but the crap they are offering now is because Obama used the GOP plan.

If it doesn't work, then fix it or replace it with single payer. But the current bill being offered is horrendous and the only reason the GOP is pushing it is to eliminate the black man form the national lexicon.

ACA may have been based on the Heritage Foundation plan but the reality is that it passed with a totally partisan vote. The Democrats voted for it and the Republicans were opposed to it. Those who voted against it were the ones who saw how seriously flawed the legislation was and how it would end up - namely a fiasco which would require endless additional funding to keep it viable.

No, they didn't oppose it "because it was flawed" - they opposed it to obstruct Obama. If they were truly so brilliant and insightful as to be looking at flaws, they would have proposed amendments to fix them. They did after all get almost 200 amendments into what finally passed as ACA.

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forgot a great analysis link. It's dated 4-1-16 and that is before Trump was elected. http://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/report/year-six-the-affordable-care-act-obamacares-mounting-problems#_ftnref28

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So they are bribing Murkowski by telling her Alaska can keep Obamacare if she is willing to repeal for the rest of the country

WTAF