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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]NP here.  I am 50 years old.  I consider myself an Independent voter.  In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people.  I am not seeing this anymore.  In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans.  I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.[/quote]
+1  I am 47 and a former R, switched to I.  I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage.  I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.  [/quote]

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

[b]It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament. [/b][/quote]

OK, so it's also safe to say that if the GOP did a better, the ACA wouldn't suck so much.

The GOP is basically saying "[b]Be rich or die, if you have a serious health issue."[/b] Who needs Al Qaeda trying to bomb us when half our reps are pushing this policy outcome?[/quote]

This is true today under Obamacare. Americans are dying every day in America because they can't afford care. [/quote]

Not true. There is no lifetime limit, no restrictions on pre-existing conditions under Obamacare today. More people can afford to pay off $25K related to cancer ($15K for premiums, plus $10K out of pocket max for Obamacare). Those people will NEVER be able to afford to pay $150K, which is what is what a bout of cancer will cost if the GOP passes the current legislation on the table.

Do the math: $25K under Obamacare today vs. six-figures under the GOP proposal. Which is more affordable?

Of course, if the GOP wants to adopt single-payer I will happily support them! Let's make it truly affordable.
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God, some of you are gullible idiots.

Yes, lots of sick people in America still die from lack of care. Millions of people still don't have insurance. Lots of sick people with nominal insurance still can't afford treatment.

If you are horrified by the Republican plan but are A-OK with Obamacare, then you're a joke. The difference is a matter of degree. [/quote]

Great, so you're pushing the Dems and GOP to adopt single payer? Let's do it! I'll join you in that effort.[/quote]

Sounds good! Oh you know what though? We don't have much power in Washington.

You know who did? President Obama. And he decided not to go for single payer.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.alternet.org/story/139959/obama_for_single-payer_before_he_was_against_it.%3famp

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[b]Well, why don't we fix what we have today? You seem focused on a magical fantasy scenario that didn't exist in reality. Obama didn't have the votes for single payer back in 2009. [/b]GOP wasn't voting for it (100% bought off by the Koch's) and neither were a large portion of the Dems (50% were in the pocket of healthcare companies). So yeah, Obama couldn't magically conjure up single payer.

Again, if I have to face cancer today under the ACA at $25K, that's much more affordable than $100K+ under the GOP plan. I like the ACA, even if it is a sh#t-sandwich. [/quote]

You (and people like you) can't be trusted. You lie. The fact that Obama didn't support single payer has nothing to do with whether he had the votes. He balked on single payer well before it even got to that point.

It's obvious that most politicians are corporate sell outs, but I don't understand why peons like you carry their water. At least they are getting paid off. What do you get out of it?[/quote]

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