ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?

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Anonymous wrote:Obama's only legacy is the ACA which is why he is so vocal about keeping it intact and not seeing it repealed. Absent the ACA he would be remembered as the first black president and that is about it.

The goal with ACA was laudable but Obama's greatest failing was that he would come up with half-baked solutions to significant issues - which is what ACA is in the form that it was passed - and then leave it to others to fix when it began to fall apart. He did it with ACA and he did it with DACA where he signed an EO to offer temporary respite to 800K young people in the country illegally and left it to others to fix when the $hit hit the fan.

In both instances he feigns indignation when the "fix" that he wants is one that is not palatable to the successor administration. The reality is that if he wanted something that was more enduring he should have crafted it that way in the first place. ACA was passed entirely by Democrats when they had an almost filibuster proof majority in the senate and a sizable majority in the House. They squarely are to blame for coming up with a flawed piece of legislation that was bound to fall apart.

He didn't leave it to others to fix. The democrats and Obama had all sorts of fixes that the GOP refused to bring to a vote. It is incredibly disingenuous not to acknowledge that.

Why would anyone think Republicans would vote in favor of supposed fixes to the ACA when they wouldn't vote for the ACA in the first place?

Why would anything think Republicans would vote in favor of anything that actually helps Americans rather than their bank accounts?

Okay. Let's say I agree with you. Then why did Obama and the Dems go for a half-assed "compromise" measure like the ACA? Why did they try so hard to get Republican support?

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NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

OK, so it's also safe to say that if the GOP did a better, the ACA wouldn't suck so much.

The GOP is basically saying "Be rich or die, if you have a serious health issue." Who needs Al Qaeda trying to bomb us when half our reps are pushing this policy outcome?

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

OK, so it's also safe to say that if the GOP did a better, the ACA wouldn't suck so much.

The GOP is basically saying "Be rich or die, if you have a serious health issue." Who needs Al Qaeda trying to bomb us when half our reps are pushing this policy outcome?

This is true today under Obamacare. Americans are dying every day in America because they can't afford care.

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To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

The ACA was the Heritage Foundation solution for healthcare. Obama based his legislation on it in the hopes it would get bipartisan support. They held hundreds of hearing, town halls and floor debate, accepted amendments from the GOP etc and yet the GOP is still fighting it. THIS IS THEIR PLAN. The reason they have nothing but the crap they are offering now is because Obama used the GOP plan.

If it doesn't work, then fix it or replace it with single payer. But the current bill being offered is horrendous and the only reason the GOP is pushing it is to eliminate the black man form the national lexicon.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

OK, so it's also safe to say that if the GOP did a better, the ACA wouldn't suck so much.

The GOP is basically saying "Be rich or die, if you have a serious health issue." Who needs Al Qaeda trying to bomb us when half our reps are pushing this policy outcome?

This is true today under Obamacare. Americans are dying every day in America because they can't afford care.

Not true. There is no lifetime limit, no restrictions on pre-existing conditions under Obamacare today. More people can afford to pay off $25K related to cancer ($15K for premiums, plus $10K out of pocket max for Obamacare). Those people will NEVER be able to afford to pay $150K, which is what is what a bout of cancer will cost if the GOP passes the current legislation on the table.

Do the math: $25K under Obamacare today vs. six-figures under the GOP proposal. Which is more affordable?

Of course, if the GOP wants to adopt single-payer I will happily support them! Let's make it truly affordable.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

OK, so it's also safe to say that if the GOP did a better, the ACA wouldn't suck so much.

The GOP is basically saying "Be rich or die, if you have a serious health issue." Who needs Al Qaeda trying to bomb us when half our reps are pushing this policy outcome?

This is true today under Obamacare. Americans are dying every day in America because they can't afford care.

Not true. There is no lifetime limit, no restrictions on pre-existing conditions under Obamacare today. More people can afford to pay off $25K related to cancer ($15K for premiums, plus $10K out of pocket max for Obamacare). Those people will NEVER be able to afford to pay $150K, which is what is what a bout of cancer will cost if the GOP passes the current legislation on the table.

Do the math: $25K under Obamacare today vs. six-figures under the GOP proposal. Which is more affordable?

Of course, if the GOP wants to adopt single-payer I will happily support them! Let's make it truly affordable.

God, some of you are gullible idiots.

Yes, lots of sick people in America still die from lack of care. Millions of people still don't have insurance. Lots of sick people with nominal insurance still can't afford treatment.

If you are horrified by the Republican plan but are A-OK with Obamacare, then you're a joke. The difference is a matter of degree.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

OK, so it's also safe to say that if the GOP did a better, the ACA wouldn't suck so much.

The GOP is basically saying "Be rich or die, if you have a serious health issue." Who needs Al Qaeda trying to bomb us when half our reps are pushing this policy outcome?

This is true today under Obamacare. Americans are dying every day in America because they can't afford care.

Not true. There is no lifetime limit, no restrictions on pre-existing conditions under Obamacare today. More people can afford to pay off $25K related to cancer ($15K for premiums, plus $10K out of pocket max for Obamacare). Those people will NEVER be able to afford to pay $150K, which is what is what a bout of cancer will cost if the GOP passes the current legislation on the table.

Do the math: $25K under Obamacare today vs. six-figures under the GOP proposal. Which is more affordable?

Of course, if the GOP wants to adopt single-payer I will happily support them! Let's make it truly affordable.

God, some of you are gullible idiots.

Yes, lots of sick people in America still die from lack of care. Millions of people still don't have insurance. Lots of sick people with nominal insurance still can't afford treatment.

If you are horrified by the Republican plan but are A-OK with Obamacare, then you're a joke. The difference is a matter of degree.

Great, so you're pushing the Dems and GOP to adopt single payer? Let's do it! I'll join you in that effort.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I'm 44 years old, lifelong Republican, and switched my registration in November.
The repubs are governing purely to undo any D victory and simply to "win" regardless of what's best for the country or their constituents. I'm done with them, and plenty outraged.

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Russian troll! Russian troll! Russian troll!

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

OK, so it's also safe to say that if the GOP did a better, the ACA wouldn't suck so much.

The GOP is basically saying "Be rich or die, if you have a serious health issue." Who needs Al Qaeda trying to bomb us when half our reps are pushing this policy outcome?

This is true today under Obamacare. Americans are dying every day in America because they can't afford care.

Not true. There is no lifetime limit, no restrictions on pre-existing conditions under Obamacare today. More people can afford to pay off $25K related to cancer ($15K for premiums, plus $10K out of pocket max for Obamacare). Those people will NEVER be able to afford to pay $150K, which is what is what a bout of cancer will cost if the GOP passes the current legislation on the table.

Do the math: $25K under Obamacare today vs. six-figures under the GOP proposal. Which is more affordable?

Of course, if the GOP wants to adopt single-payer I will happily support them! Let's make it truly affordable.

God, some of you are gullible idiots.

Yes, lots of sick people in America still die from lack of care. Millions of people still don't have insurance. Lots of sick people with nominal insurance still can't afford treatment.

If you are horrified by the Republican plan but are A-OK with Obamacare, then you're a joke. The difference is a matter of degree.

Great, so you're pushing the Dems and GOP to adopt single payer? Let's do it! I'll join you in that effort.

Sounds good! Oh you know what though? We don't have much power in Washington.

You know who did? President Obama. And he decided not to go for single payer.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.alternet.org/story/139959/obama_for_single-payer_before_he_was_against_it.%3famp

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Anonymous wrote:Russian troll! Russian troll! Russian troll!

Does it ever embarrass you that you're unable to make a substantive contribution to the conversation? Just curious.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I am 50 years old. I consider myself an Independent voter. In the past, I believe that Democrats and Republicans could and should work together in Congress to pass legislation in the best interests of the American people. I am not seeing this anymore. In my opinion, a good part of the blame falls on the Republicans. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past, but have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again, for any office at the local, state or Federal level.

+1 I am 47 and a former R, switched to I. I don't think I can vote for a R ever again, certainly not the R party as it is now. Spineless, corrupt, and do-nothing but sabotage. I can't stand the attitude that if a Dem thought of it then it must be bad.

To be fair, the ACA is pretty bad. (It helps some folks at the expense of other Americans, who are getting screwed. Basically, any health care system designed around making a profit by denying care is necessarily going to be expensive and crappy from the perspective of the health care consumer.)

It's ok to admit the Dems did a bad job, and if they had done a better job, we wouldn't be stuck in this predicament.

OK, so it's also safe to say that if the GOP did a better, the ACA wouldn't suck so much.

The GOP is basically saying "Be rich or die, if you have a serious health issue." Who needs Al Qaeda trying to bomb us when half our reps are pushing this policy outcome?

This is true today under Obamacare. Americans are dying every day in America because they can't afford care.

Not true. There is no lifetime limit, no restrictions on pre-existing conditions under Obamacare today. More people can afford to pay off $25K related to cancer ($15K for premiums, plus $10K out of pocket max for Obamacare). Those people will NEVER be able to afford to pay $150K, which is what is what a bout of cancer will cost if the GOP passes the current legislation on the table.

Do the math: $25K under Obamacare today vs. six-figures under the GOP proposal. Which is more affordable?

Of course, if the GOP wants to adopt single-payer I will happily support them! Let's make it truly affordable.

God, some of you are gullible idiots.

Yes, lots of sick people in America still die from lack of care. Millions of people still don't have insurance. Lots of sick people with nominal insurance still can't afford treatment.

If you are horrified by the Republican plan but are A-OK with Obamacare, then you're a joke. The difference is a matter of degree.

Great, so you're pushing the Dems and GOP to adopt single payer? Let's do it! I'll join you in that effort.

Sounds good! Oh you know what though? We don't have much power in Washington.

You know who did? President Obama. And he decided not to go for single payer.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.alternet.org/story/139959/obama_for_single-payer_before_he_was_against_it.%3famp

Well, why don't we fix what we have today? You seem focused on a magical fantasy scenario that didn't exist in reality. Obama didn't have the votes for single payer back in 2009. GOP wasn't voting for it (100% bought off by the Koch's) and neither were a large portion of the Dems (50% were in the pocket of healthcare companies). So yeah, Obama couldn't magically conjure up single payer.

Again, if I have to face cancer today under the ACA at $25K, that's much more affordable than $100K+ under the GOP plan. I like the ACA, even if it is a sh#t-sandwich.