School residency cheaters investigated

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question: can't issues of residency be solved by cross-checking other government databases? For example, why doesn't DCPS cross-check the homestead tax exemption and property tax records? And DC taxes?

Wouldn't this type of cross checking go a long way to establishing residency in most circumstances?

That would be too logical. There is simply little poltical will to deal with this problem.

My child's school is one of the ones mentioned in the article. I know of 3 kids in his class who live in MD. They have their birthday parties in pg county, parents drive cars with MD plates, have md phone numbers, etc. They've been at the school for 5 years. There's just no desire by administraton to deal with this.

Most scammers seem to operate with a feeling of impunity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the article is infuriating and the only race card is the one being played by central office or by black principals who don't want to see their schools gentrified. every tax payer should be disgusted by this.

Do you even live here? Because you would be aware that the principals of the schools named are NOT African American.

I do live here. 20 years now with a kid starting in pk3 this fall. There are cheaters at probably every DCPS and charter school in DC. Every one of them. The racist leadership does not want to do anything about it.

You need help. And please, save yourself some grief and place the kid in private school where you can dictate what races he or she gets to mix with.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I do believe there is residency fraud. However, I believe this reporter out right lied in this article. How many people would stop and share their family situations with a stranger? Would any of you? And he states that he pulled tax records among other things to determine their lack of residency. Who gave them the names to pull? How many people would share their names with a stranger standing on the street asking questions.

You don't need a name if you have an address.

+1

They followed these people to their home. Once you have the address, you can pull all sorts of property and tax records from the District and MD county websites. Then once you have a name, you can cross-reference it with property in the District. They can also then look up marriage and divorce records to establish the household make-up.

My guess is that these parents didn't willingly volunteer information. More likely is that they were ambushed by these reporters with rhetorical questions - "Why do you live in MD and send your child to school in DC? Are you paying tuition to DCPS? Can you confirm that you are Joe Smith that works at the Department of Labor?" - that the reporters already knew the answers to. Using public records, you can easily figure out with 95% certainty if someone is a cheater. If these parents work for the government, they're even dumber - all their salary info is public record.

So why doesn't OSSE do this level of investigation?

The Chancellor does't give them the resources. There's a lot of solidly middle class and UMC families that would get caught up in the investigations. These people are fellow church goers and relatives of DC pols, business folks, and bureaucrats. And there is certainly a very strong element that folks who left the District but grew up here still have "rights" to their old block and former schools. Lots of messy inter-personal relationships that just make it easier to ignore the problem.

Plus, DCPS is primarily spending Federal government money. The more kids in the system, the more DCPS pulls from Congress. They have every incentive to keep headcount high.

Finally, I think there is a feeling that kids in PG County are getting shafted by the MD state government. District pols feel the need to protect those kids and families by offering them District resources.

I was going to say that you should have stopped with the first sentence because it was the only thing even approaching reality in your entire post, but even that sentence was the dregs of PulledOutofMyAss.com.

I'll confess that even I didn't know what the Office of the State Superintendent of Education did until your bullshit post set off alarms. If you can read text for the amount of time that it took you to post your made-up rationale, you might come to the conclusion that OSSE's mission has several high-cost priorities in front of catching resident fraudsters.

I realize that, in the Age of Trump, I'm in the minority of American citizens who want to create more taxpaying citizens than mouth-breathing, hate-filled, criminally-minded people who couldn't hold a job with a gun to their heads BUT it has to be said with purpose and whatnot that the creation of said tax-paying citizens is the primary objective of OSSE and I'm fine with that. So fine, in fact, that I have no problem with them focusing on the tens of thousands of kids in my city of choice who have limited prospects of gaining or holding down a job that will actually pay taxes. Fuck whatever the federal government will actually come up with because our passel of brainiac lawmakers can't even figure out that preventing birth defects (or HEY, unwanted births) is a cost-saving measure - for all of us.

All of which is to say, that I, along with the majority of your tax-paying comrades, have no interest in paying for the extra resources required to police residency fraud. The funds cooped in penalty come no where near the the investment in resources. You would need an entire department, pay their salaries, benefits, administrative costs to chase down 3-5 families per school, per year. If you made it 10 families, the chances of you finding and capturing that much fraud actually goes down. There would be fewer people caught. Fewer still who would actually repay the debt.

The OSSE budget is not decided by the Chancellor. The mayor submits a budget proposal each year, and our sorry-ass City Council decides what the budget will be. If you tihnk that wastefulness and nepotism is just a character trait of the DC government, you're a naive little cog in politics much larger than your tiny existence. But if you're going to gripe about how it all works, at least take the time to understand how it all works.

In the scheme of things, I think we would be so much better off if more people could at least do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I do believe there is residency fraud. However, I believe this reporter out right lied in this article. How many people would stop and share their family situations with a stranger? Would any of you? And he states that he pulled tax records among other things to determine their lack of residency. Who gave them the names to pull? How many people would share their names with a stranger standing on the street asking questions.

You don't need a name if you have an address.

+1

They followed these people to their home. Once you have the address, you can pull all sorts of property and tax records from the District and MD county websites. Then once you have a name, you can cross-reference it with property in the District. They can also then look up marriage and divorce records to establish the household make-up.

My guess is that these parents didn't willingly volunteer information. More likely is that they were ambushed by these reporters with rhetorical questions - "Why do you live in MD and send your child to school in DC? Are you paying tuition to DCPS? Can you confirm that you are Joe Smith that works at the Department of Labor?" - that the reporters already knew the answers to. Using public records, you can easily figure out with 95% certainty if someone is a cheater. If these parents work for the government, they're even dumber - all their salary info is public record.

So why doesn't OSSE do this level of investigation?

The Chancellor does't give them the resources. There's a lot of solidly middle class and UMC families that would get caught up in the investigations. These people are fellow church goers and relatives of DC pols, business folks, and bureaucrats. And there is certainly a very strong element that folks who left the District but grew up here still have "rights" to their old block and former schools. Lots of messy inter-personal relationships that just make it easier to ignore the problem.

Plus, DCPS is primarily spending Federal government money. The more kids in the system, the more DCPS pulls from Congress. They have every incentive to keep headcount high.

Finally, I think there is a feeling that kids in PG County are getting shafted by the MD state government. District pols feel the need to protect those kids and families by offering them District resources.

I was going to say that you should have stopped with the first sentence because it was the only thing even approaching reality in your entire post, but even that sentence was the dregs of PulledOutofMyAss.com.

I'll confess that even I didn't know what the Office of the State Superintendent of Education did until your bullshit post set off alarms. If you can read text for the amount of time that it took you to post your made-up rationale, you might come to the conclusion that OSSE's mission has several high-cost priorities in front of catching resident fraudsters.

I realize that, in the Age of Trump, I'm in the minority of American citizens who want to create more taxpaying citizens than mouth-breathing, hate-filled, criminally-minded people who couldn't hold a job with a gun to their heads BUT it has to be said with purpose and whatnot that the creation of said tax-paying citizens is the primary objective of OSSE and I'm fine with that. So fine, in fact, that I have no problem with them focusing on the tens of thousands of kids in my city of choice who have limited prospects of gaining or holding down a job that will actually pay taxes. Fuck whatever the federal government will actually come up with because our passel of brainiac lawmakers can't even figure out that preventing birth defects (or HEY, unwanted births) is a cost-saving measure - for all of us.

All of which is to say, that I, along with the majority of your tax-paying comrades, have no interest in paying for the extra resources required to police residency fraud. The funds cooped in penalty come no where near the the investment in resources. You would need an entire department, pay their salaries, benefits, administrative costs to chase down 3-5 families per school, per year. If you made it 10 families, the chances of you finding and capturing that much fraud actually goes down. There would be fewer people caught. Fewer still who would actually repay the debt.

The OSSE budget is not decided by the Chancellor. The mayor submits a budget proposal each year, and our sorry-ass City Council decides what the budget will be. If you tihnk that wastefulness and nepotism is just a character trait of the DC government, you're a naive little cog in politics much larger than your tiny existence. But if you're going to gripe about how it all works, at least take the time to understand how it all works.

In the scheme of things, I think we would be so much better off if more people could at least do that.

The poster you're responding to made so much more sense than your stream of consciousness. I can't decipher it.

[Anonymous]

It's time to take this away from OSSE to investigate and hand it off to the feds and the US attorney to investigate and prosecute residency fraud. Some very public indictments for fraud and theft and services and civil suits for past due tuition should have at least some deterrent effect.

[Anonymous]

Part 2: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/05/rampant-fraud-means-even-govt-contractors-can-illegally-send-kids-to-dc-schools/

[Anonymous]

Note- it's residency, not boundary.
Residency = tax issues. Boundaries = race/class issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Part 2: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/05/rampant-fraud-means-even-govt-contractors-can-illegally-send-kids-to-dc-schools/

Damn. They blew up that lady's life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part 2: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/05/rampant-fraud-means-even-govt-contractors-can-illegally-send-kids-to-dc-schools/

Damn. They blew up that lady's life.

Welp, she broke the law. Hundreds of others do too but she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part 2: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/05/rampant-fraud-means-even-govt-contractors-can-illegally-send-kids-to-dc-schools/

Damn. They blew up that lady's life.

Damn she's scamming and siphoning off tax dollars everywhere, DC, federal contractor etc.. she's the example of where wrong with these people, sure probably was on welfare

[Anonymous]

Ugh. this is all about right wingers creating a new "welfare mom" for their racist pleasure. But more importantly it is a slam on DC for using "taxpayer dollars" as a way for Congress to sadistically stick it to DC for being a democratic stronghold and black-run (see also: refusal to fund Metro). With the ultimate purpose of fighting DC statehood and the additional Ds it would bring to the House and Senate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part 2: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/05/rampant-fraud-means-even-govt-contractors-can-illegally-send-kids-to-dc-schools/

Damn. They blew up that lady's life.

Damn she's scamming and siphoning off tax dollars everywhere, DC, federal contractor etc.. she's the example of where wrong with these people, sure probably was on welfare

"These people"

"THESE PEOPLE"

Really?

I hope your racist self doesn't go to my kids' school. If you did, you'd know that family situations in DC are very complicated. There's a whole different set of rules for students who are homeless or in transitional housing, who are wards of the state, or have uncertain custody battles. Don't get butt hurt about the 4 kids who are residency fraud cases in your upper NW school. I bet you wouldn't set foot near Excel Academy.

[Anonymous]

Residency fraud is a huge problem in DC schools, and anyone who says otherwise has his head in the sand. It's a shame that the race-baiting Daily Caller is the outlet that decided to take this on. I am all in favor of cracking down on cheaters, but these articles are really gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part 2: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/05/rampant-fraud-means-even-govt-contractors-can-illegally-send-kids-to-dc-schools/

Damn. They blew up that lady's life.

How do you figure?

[Anonymous]

The cheaters I know of are white and asian.