That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.

Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.

Regret sex? She was unconscious. There are no circumstances in which an unconscious person can consent to sex. NONE.

Do you have a specific timeframe re: when she passed out? None of you know if he dragged her behind the dumpster. Or carried her, for that matter. They were snuggly inside the house - she could have passed out while in the act, and he, being drunk too, didn't notice.

Then why the injuries to her vagina? Then why did the swedes know she was unconscious? She was clearly passed out long enough for it to be a crime. The jury agreed.

Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?

I wonder if they took is blood alcohol level when the cops came. Just curious

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Anonymous wrote:Why else do you go to a frat party where you don't know anyone and drink shots and drinks? Yes, the hookup culture is unhealthy. Yes, he shouldn't have run off. Beyond that, he's going to jail, going on the sex offender register, and lost his scholarship and Olympics hopes.

Her letter was powerful. But changing hookup culture would be more to the point.

This wasn't a hookup. This was sexual assault.

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Actually, the father is correct.

Both of them were drunk. Both. She was so drunk, she had no idea of anything, and didn't come-to until she was in the hospital, with no recollection. She was black-out drunk. While no one deserves to be raped, she placed herself in a very dangerous state. I do want to know where her friends were, where her sister was, where ANY responsible person was - probably drunk themselves. It would have been a cold day in hell, in college, when I would have left one of my friends (or a perfect stranger) alone, that dangerously drunk.

His son, in his drunken state, assaulted this girl. Very, very wrong. He IS taking responsibility for his actions. What disturbs me, is not only is she NOT taking responsibility for her own stupidity, but she has all the pity in the world. The net result of that is the message that people can get as stupid-drunk as they want and expect NO harm to come of them. That is NOT a message I have EVER given my children, and ever will.

This statement from the victim? “You took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today,” she read in court from her victim impact statement,

What kind of worth does one have when one is so drunk, one can't even function? What kind of confidence? What kind of intimacy?

And this? "I was the wounded antelope of the herd, completely alone and vulnerable, physically unable to fend for myself, and he chose me."

She completely brushes aside her responsibility in becoming a 'wounded antelope'.

The judge did good in this case.

You're a horrible person. And I hope you don't have children.

Facts are pretty horrible things. She can't get that stinking drunk, and then complain about not being able to physically fend for herself. He didn't pour the liquor down her throat. She drank it herself. She made HERSELF vulnerable. It sucks, but it is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:By law, the penetrator is ultimately responsible, yes.

Er, yeah, a guy can get raped, when he's not drunk.

06/06/2016 12:57

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.

Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.

Regret sex? She was unconscious. There are no circumstances in which an unconscious person can consent to sex. NONE.

Do you have a specific timeframe re: when she passed out? None of you know if he dragged her behind the dumpster. Or carried her, for that matter. They were snuggly inside the house - she could have passed out while in the act, and he, being drunk too, didn't notice.

Then why the injuries to her vagina? Then why did the swedes know she was unconscious? She was clearly passed out long enough for it to be a crime. The jury agreed.

Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?

If he was so drunk he couldn't run away, I might tend to agree, but this wasn't the case. He had enough sense to run. Most people who are so drunk they don't know what they are doing can barely walk.

Sure he could! I've seen drunk people run pretty freaking fast. Adrenaline.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.

Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.

Regret sex? She was unconscious. There are no circumstances in which an unconscious person can consent to sex. NONE.

Do you have a specific timeframe re: when she passed out? None of you know if he dragged her behind the dumpster. Or carried her, for that matter. They were snuggly inside the house - she could have passed out while in the act, and he, being drunk too, didn't notice.

Then why the injuries to her vagina? Then why did the swedes know she was unconscious? She was clearly passed out long enough for it to be a crime. The jury agreed.

Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?

I wonder if they took is blood alcohol level when the cops came. Just curious

They did. They have the BAC of both of them. Both pretty high, way above the legal limit (neither were driving, but it's a point of reference).

06/06/2016 12:58

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.

Are you intentionally misinterpreting, restating, and omitting portions of people's comments? Have you read the comments about no one can be completely safe? Have you listened to any grieving parent after the death of a high school or college-aged student where drinking and/or drugs were involved?

This did not have anything to do with alcohol! You are not to blame for being raped because you were drunk. You do not GET to rape because you're drunk. I'm ignoring anything that tries to equate RAPE with being a natural and unfortunate byproduct of drinking. The dude was a rapist because that's who he is not because he was drunk and, most importantly, not because SHE was drunk.

Alcohol and drugs often play a huge part in criminal behavior.

Yes, I think he probably roofied her too with something that can't be traced. Athletes are more aware of substances that can be manipulated for different effects but are untraceable. I believe her. I think she probably took a shot or two, and was nursing a beer or other drink that he spiked the shit out of, forced her to drink more, and then she called her boyfriend but was totally incoherent, and then lost consiousness, at which point he led her behind a dumpster and put needles and dirt inside of her. I hope he gets destroyed in prison.

You made up an entire story, then convict him. I can't even...

Eh. People seem to be making up entire stories to excuse his felony sexual assault. Why not make up facts on both sides?

Those 'excuses' are called reasonable doubt. Which is why he wasn't convicted of rape.

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Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?

One person was unconscious. The other person engaged in a criminal act.

Do you also excuse drunk drivers?

06/06/2016 12:59

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.

Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.

Regret sex? She was unconscious. There are no circumstances in which an unconscious person can consent to sex. NONE.

Do you have a specific timeframe re: when she passed out? None of you know if he dragged her behind the dumpster. Or carried her, for that matter. They were snuggly inside the house - she could have passed out while in the act, and he, being drunk too, didn't notice.

Then why the injuries to her vagina? Then why did the swedes know she was unconscious? She was clearly passed out long enough for it to be a crime. The jury agreed.

Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?

If he was so drunk he couldn't run away, I might tend to agree, but this wasn't the case. He had enough sense to run. Most people who are so drunk they don't know what they are doing can barely walk.

Sure he could! I've seen drunk people run pretty freaking fast. Adrenaline.

Not agreeing or disagreeing with previous posts - but people drive so drunk they don't even remember it. So yeah, he could run

06/06/2016 13:01

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He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.

Are you intentionally misinterpreting, restating, and omitting portions of people's comments? Have you read the comments about no one can be completely safe? Have you listened to any grieving parent after the death of a high school or college-aged student where drinking and/or drugs were involved?

This did not have anything to do with alcohol! You are not to blame for being raped because you were drunk. You do not GET to rape because you're drunk. I'm ignoring anything that tries to equate RAPE with being a natural and unfortunate byproduct of drinking. The dude was a rapist because that's who he is not because he was drunk and, most importantly, not because SHE was drunk.

Alcohol and drugs often play a huge part in criminal behavior.

Yes, I think he probably roofied her too with something that can't be traced. Athletes are more aware of substances that can be manipulated for different effects but are untraceable. I believe her. I think she probably took a shot or two, and was nursing a beer or other drink that he spiked the shit out of, forced her to drink more, and then she called her boyfriend but was totally incoherent, and then lost consiousness, at which point he led her behind a dumpster and put needles and dirt inside of her. I hope he gets destroyed in prison.

You made up an entire story, then convict him. I can't even...

Yeah, she said she had a history of getting blackout drunk, and then had a bunch of shots. He didn't drug her, nor did he ply her with drinks. He led her outside the frat house, and beyond that, I'm not clear if she went with him all the way or if she fell and he carried her.

Let's stick with the facts while getting righteously angry.

You're not sticking with facts, though. She didn't say she regularly got blackout drunk. She said that she was surprised her tolerance had gone down since college. It is true we don't know if he mounted her immediately after she fell over or dragged her closer to the dumpster, but that seems like the most trivial of shit not to know, since we do know that he then climbed on top of her when she was behind a dumpster and sexually assaulted her while she was unconscious.

06/06/2016 13:01

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Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?

One person was unconscious. The other person engaged in a criminal act.

Do you also excuse drunk drivers?

Usually, only the driver was drunk. Not the innocents he hit. That's the difference. We know the other party didn't say "yes, please hit us with your car and kill/maim us please"

You don't know if she consented before falling unconscious. Both were well above the legal limit. So he was not of his right mind either. End of.

06/06/2016 13:03

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Anonymous wrote:What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.

Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

Is this real? Very hard to believe.

I find it hard to believe too. That the website it actually real. But who knows!

It can't be. Has to be made up to get a rise out of people.

But if it is, this country has waaaay bigger issues than I thought!