That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.

Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.

Regret sex? She was unconscious. There are no circumstances in which an unconscious person can consent to sex. NONE.

Do you have a specific timeframe re: when she passed out? None of you know if he dragged her behind the dumpster. Or carried her, for that matter. They were snuggly inside the house - she could have passed out while in the act, and he, being drunk too, didn't notice.

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Anonymous wrote:Every single woman in this thread knows she has at some point drank too much and if she has a daughter, her daughter will undoubtedly one night or more in college drink too much because that's what happens. You misjudge your tolerance, you're having a good time, and suddenly you're hammered. There but for the grace of God did I never end up raped behind a dumpster when I had too much to drink at 21, and same goes for all of you. And if you have a daughter who at some point will go to parties or bars, you need to think very, very carefully about assigning blame to this girl because it could happen to your daughter just as easily and I highly doubt you would be so sanguine about her "role" in being victimized as you are right now

nope. Never. And I know other women who have never been that drunk. Not an excuse for what happened, though, but your blanket statement is incorrect.

The rape counselor at my daughter's college said that on that particular campus, 100% of rapes involved alcohol on the part of at least one person. Alcohol allows one person to make bad choices more easily.

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Anonymous wrote:What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.

Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

Is this real? Very hard to believe.

I find it hard to believe too. That the website it actually real. But who knows!

One would think that if it's the father's or his friends, the legal team would tell them to take it down.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.

Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.

She was unconscious. I don't know about you, but I don't have consensual "regret" sex while unconscious.

She was at the end. Was she at the beginning?

It doesn't matter at all. If you're having sex with someone and they pass out, ALL CONSENT CEASES. Saying "yes" to sex (which I doubt he did, since it took him a year to remember she supposedly said it) does not extend to when someone is unconscious. A non-rapist would try to get someone who suddenly passed out help, not keep fucking them.

If he's drunk too, he might not have noticed. And he was drunk.

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Anonymous wrote:This case is disgusting to me, in pretty much every way.

The survivor has shared her perspective. Read the entire impact statement if you are interested in her insight. It is not "regret" speaking but sexual trauma.

But he didn't do that. This is a situation where the victim was not able to give consent. The assault was broken up by TWO witnesses unknown to either the victim or the perpetrator. A rape kit was done. This isn't a case of he said/she said, and the jury agreed with that assessment. This man was found guilty of three felony charges, which he still denies. If he had been found guilty of those charges and, at his sentencing hearing, he had spoken about his remorse and admitted responsibility for his actions, I would be a lot more sympathetic to the impact on his life.

As for the people saying that we should teach our children about safety, I completely agree. I think that what we should be focusing on in this situation, if we are teaching our children about safety, is that two strangers stopped to investigate something that seemed off to them. We should be teaching our children that, in addition to paying attention to their own safety, if they are concerned that someone is being hurt, they should stop and investigate, or call 911, or both, rather than just walking by.

If you see something, say something, right?

good post. yes we should teach them to pay attention if someone else is being hurt or appears to be. good thing those 2 guys came along. or she might just have woken up alone behind the dumpster with no idea what happened

PP here. I will say for the record that I think that discussions about personal safety in situations like this is a complete red herring. If she had gotten drunk at a party and lost her purse, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. If she had gotten drunk at a party and gotten into an argument with her boyfriend, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. That's not what happened. She got drunk at a party and was sexually assaulted behind a dumpster by someone she did not know. That is a CRIME and discussing what SHE did wrong should be so fucking far down on the list of things to talk about that it's barely visible.

He should be on the sex offender registry list. He is a sex offender. That is what we call people who sexually assault people. "Sexual assault" is what we call "removing the clothing of a drunk stranger and touching them sexually when they are unconscious." The jury thought so. Why didn't the sentencing judge?

It sounds awful to say he sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster. It was on the frat house back yard. It's possible he was raping her and would have left her there naked and unconscious. Or maybe he would have realized she was unconscious, straightened her clothes, and returned her ... to the frat house? to somewhere else? No one will know what he would have done.

It's true that, by the new Yes means Yes definition, all college party drunk hookups are rape now. Under the law, he is definitely a rapist. Whether he had gone with her or another girl who remembered better, it would all be rape if the girl had had a drink.

I've got news for you. Many already were. Intoxicated people cannot give consent and sex with them is therefore rape by definition.

The Yes means Yes laws should include both parties, to be fair. If that's what we're after.

what makes you think they don't? Or that preexisting laws didn't apply the same to both sexes, just as, say, domestic abuse laws do?

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.

Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.

Regret sex? She was unconscious. There are no circumstances in which an unconscious person can consent to sex. NONE.

Do you have a specific timeframe re: when she passed out? None of you know if he dragged her behind the dumpster. Or carried her, for that matter. They were snuggly inside the house - she could have passed out while in the act, and he, being drunk too, didn't notice.

Then why the injuries to her vagina? Then why did the swedes know she was unconscious? She was clearly passed out long enough for it to be a crime. The jury agreed.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.

Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.

She was unconscious. I don't know about you, but I don't have consensual "regret" sex while unconscious.

She was at the end. Was she at the beginning?

It doesn't matter at all. If you're having sex with someone and they pass out, ALL CONSENT CEASES. Saying "yes" to sex (which I doubt he did, since it took him a year to remember she supposedly said it) does not extend to when someone is unconscious. A non-rapist would try to get someone who suddenly passed out help, not keep fucking them.

If he's drunk too, he might not have noticed. And he was drunk.

Tough shit. It's not a defense.

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.

Are you intentionally misinterpreting, restating, and omitting portions of people's comments? Have you read the comments about no one can be completely safe? Have you listened to any grieving parent after the death of a high school or college-aged student where drinking and/or drugs were involved?

This did not have anything to do with alcohol! You are not to blame for being raped because you were drunk. You do not GET to rape because you're drunk. I'm ignoring anything that tries to equate RAPE with being a natural and unfortunate byproduct of drinking. The dude was a rapist because that's who he is not because he was drunk and, most importantly, not because SHE was drunk.

Alcohol and drugs often play a huge part in criminal behavior.

Yes, I think he probably roofied her too with something that can't be traced. Athletes are more aware of substances that can be manipulated for different effects but are untraceable. I believe her. I think she probably took a shot or two, and was nursing a beer or other drink that he spiked the shit out of, forced her to drink more, and then she called her boyfriend but was totally incoherent, and then lost consiousness, at which point he led her behind a dumpster and put needles and dirt inside of her. I hope he gets destroyed in prison.

You made up an entire story, then convict him. I can't even...

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.

Are you intentionally misinterpreting, restating, and omitting portions of people's comments? Have you read the comments about no one can be completely safe? Have you listened to any grieving parent after the death of a high school or college-aged student where drinking and/or drugs were involved?

This did not have anything to do with alcohol! You are not to blame for being raped because you were drunk. You do not GET to rape because you're drunk. I'm ignoring anything that tries to equate RAPE with being a natural and unfortunate byproduct of drinking. The dude was a rapist because that's who he is not because he was drunk and, most importantly, not because SHE was drunk.

Alcohol and drugs often play a huge part in criminal behavior.

Yes, I think he probably roofied her too with something that can't be traced. Athletes are more aware of substances that can be manipulated for different effects but are untraceable. I believe her. I think she probably took a shot or two, and was nursing a beer or other drink that he spiked the shit out of, forced her to drink more, and then she called her boyfriend but was totally incoherent, and then lost consiousness, at which point he led her behind a dumpster and put needles and dirt inside of her. I hope he gets destroyed in prison.

You made up an entire story, then convict him. I can't even...

Yeah, she said she had a history of getting blackout drunk, and then had a bunch of shots. He didn't drug her, nor did he ply her with drinks. He led her outside the frat house, and beyond that, I'm not clear if she went with him all the way or if she fell and he carried her.

Let's stick with the facts while getting righteously angry.

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.

Are you intentionally misinterpreting, restating, and omitting portions of people's comments? Have you read the comments about no one can be completely safe? Have you listened to any grieving parent after the death of a high school or college-aged student where drinking and/or drugs were involved?

This did not have anything to do with alcohol! You are not to blame for being raped because you were drunk. You do not GET to rape because you're drunk. I'm ignoring anything that tries to equate RAPE with being a natural and unfortunate byproduct of drinking. The dude was a rapist because that's who he is not because he was drunk and, most importantly, not because SHE was drunk.

Alcohol and drugs often play a huge part in criminal behavior.

Yes, I think he probably roofied her too with something that can't be traced. Athletes are more aware of substances that can be manipulated for different effects but are untraceable. I believe her. I think she probably took a shot or two, and was nursing a beer or other drink that he spiked the shit out of, forced her to drink more, and then she called her boyfriend but was totally incoherent, and then lost consiousness, at which point he led her behind a dumpster and put needles and dirt inside of her. I hope he gets destroyed in prison.

You made up an entire story, then convict him. I can't even...

Eh. People seem to be making up entire stories to excuse his felony sexual assault. Why not make up facts on both sides?

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.

Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.

Regret sex? She was unconscious. There are no circumstances in which an unconscious person can consent to sex. NONE.

Do you have a specific timeframe re: when she passed out? None of you know if he dragged her behind the dumpster. Or carried her, for that matter. They were snuggly inside the house - she could have passed out while in the act, and he, being drunk too, didn't notice.

Then why the injuries to her vagina? Then why did the swedes know she was unconscious? She was clearly passed out long enough for it to be a crime. The jury agreed.

Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?

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Actually, the father is correct.

Both of them were drunk. Both. She was so drunk, she had no idea of anything, and didn't come-to until she was in the hospital, with no recollection. She was black-out drunk. While no one deserves to be raped, she placed herself in a very dangerous state. I do want to know where her friends were, where her sister was, where ANY responsible person was - probably drunk themselves. It would have been a cold day in hell, in college, when I would have left one of my friends (or a perfect stranger) alone, that dangerously drunk.

His son, in his drunken state, assaulted this girl. Very, very wrong. He IS taking responsibility for his actions. What disturbs me, is not only is she NOT taking responsibility for her own stupidity, but she has all the pity in the world. The net result of that is the message that people can get as stupid-drunk as they want and expect NO harm to come of them. That is NOT a message I have EVER given my children, and ever will.

This statement from the victim? “You took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today,” she read in court from her victim impact statement,

What kind of worth does one have when one is so drunk, one can't even function? What kind of confidence? What kind of intimacy?

And this? "I was the wounded antelope of the herd, completely alone and vulnerable, physically unable to fend for myself, and he chose me."

She completely brushes aside her responsibility in becoming a 'wounded antelope'.


The judge did good in this case.

You're a horrible person. And I hope you don't have children.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.

Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.

She was unconscious. I don't know about you, but I don't have consensual "regret" sex while unconscious.

She was at the end. Was she at the beginning?

It doesn't matter at all. If you're having sex with someone and they pass out, ALL CONSENT CEASES. Saying "yes" to sex (which I doubt he did, since it took him a year to remember she supposedly said it) does not extend to when someone is unconscious. A non-rapist would try to get someone who suddenly passed out help, not keep fucking them.

If he's drunk too, he might not have noticed. And he was drunk.

Tough shit. It's not a defense.

But it WAS a defense for her, i.e. she was too drunk to give consent. How do people know that? She was kissing him inside the house, right? How do you know if in both their drunken state, she DID say yes.

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By law, the penetrator is ultimately responsible, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this rape and not regret sex? He ran, which makes him a jerk. Bit it doesn't make him a rapist, it means he didn't want to be caught having sex with a stranger outside.

Hope it was rape and she didn't send a man to jail for regret sex.

Regret sex? She was unconscious. There are no circumstances in which an unconscious person can consent to sex. NONE.

Do you have a specific timeframe re: when she passed out? None of you know if he dragged her behind the dumpster. Or carried her, for that matter. They were snuggly inside the house - she could have passed out while in the act, and he, being drunk too, didn't notice.

Then why the injuries to her vagina? Then why did the swedes know she was unconscious? She was clearly passed out long enough for it to be a crime. The jury agreed.

Again, if he was drunk, he will not be of his right mind either. Too rough, etc. All you people screaming 'rapist' are explaining away her drunk (and she was drunk with a capital D) and not even considering that he was drunk too. If she's not of his right mind, neither is he. Or do guys have to be responsible when drunk and women don't?

If he was so drunk he couldn't run away, I might tend to agree, but this wasn't the case. He had enough sense to run. Most people who are so drunk they don't know what they are doing can barely walk.