North Carolina and Transgender Bathrooms

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^You can keep denying it, it really doesn't matter.

It says right there, in plain English, under the outcomes of the study:

"Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."

I know it's not what you wanted to hear. But that doesn't invalidate the research.

Jeez, you really can't read that right. The point is, people who feel they are in the wrong-gendered body are at higher risks for those things. And sex reassignment surgery, unfortunately, in this study of a small sample of Swedes, found that reassignment did not necessarily help them feel less suicidal, etc. That, in ADDITION to sex reassignment, they could benefit from humane treatment in the form of psychiatric and somatic care. Okay, does that help you now? In other words, if you want to help these people, it probably helps to not be a dick to them. (haha, so to speak.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^You can keep denying it, it really doesn't matter.

It says right there, in plain English, under the outcomes of the study:

"Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."

I know it's not what you wanted to hear. But that doesn't invalidate the research.

Jeez, you really can't read that right. The point is, people who feel they are in the wrong-gendered body are at higher risks for those things. And sex reassignment surgery, unfortunately, in this study of a small sample of Swedes, found that reassignment did not necessarily help them feel less suicidal, etc. That, in ADDITION to sex reassignment, they could benefit from humane treatment in the form of psychiatric and somatic care. Okay, does that help you now? In other words, if you want to help these people, it probably helps to not be a dick to them. (haha, so to speak.)

"The Transgender Law Center, HRC, GLAAD, ACLU, National Center for Transgender Equality, et al., have failed to cite a single study refuting the evidence that transgender males (“transwomen”) commit crimes against women and girls at exactly the same rate as any other males."

Never forget, these are men. Men with male brains, having grown up with male privilege, and oftentimes added resentment towards women because women were born with the body they want.

They act the same as men, commit crimes the same as men, and endanger women, just like men.

And it's not okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^You can keep denying it, it really doesn't matter.

It says right there, in plain English, under the outcomes of the study:

"Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."

I know it's not what you wanted to hear. But that doesn't invalidate the research.

Jeez, you really can't read that right. The point is, people who feel they are in the wrong-gendered body are at higher risks for those things. And sex reassignment surgery, unfortunately, in this study of a small sample of Swedes, found that reassignment did not necessarily help them feel less suicidal, etc. That, in ADDITION to sex reassignment, they could benefit from humane treatment in the form of psychiatric and somatic care. Okay, does that help you now? In other words, if you want to help these people, it probably helps to not be a dick to them. (haha, so to speak.)

"The Transgender Law Center, HRC, GLAAD, ACLU, National Center for Transgender Equality, et al., have failed to cite a single study refuting the evidence that transgender males (“transwomen”) commit crimes against women and girls at exactly the same rate as any other males."

Never forget, these are men. Men with male brains, having grown up with male privilege, and oftentimes added resentment towards women because women were born with the body they want.

They act the same as men, commit crimes the same as men, and endanger women, just like men.

And it's not okay.

That's not the original research article, that's the stupid article you're quoting. Failing to cite a single study is not a big deal, because the article itself claims only ONE STUDY has every been done, and that's the one I provided. Swedes, 1970s to 2000-somehting. Okay? It's a bogus argument, and if you read clearly you'd see this was the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^You can keep denying it, it really doesn't matter.

It says right there, in plain English, under the outcomes of the study:

"Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."

I know it's not what you wanted to hear. But that doesn't invalidate the research.

Jeez, you really can't read that right. The point is, people who feel they are in the wrong-gendered body are at higher risks for those things. And sex reassignment surgery, unfortunately, in this study of a small sample of Swedes, found that reassignment did not necessarily help them feel less suicidal, etc. That, in ADDITION to sex reassignment, they could benefit from humane treatment in the form of psychiatric and somatic care. Okay, does that help you now? In other words, if you want to help these people, it probably helps to not be a dick to them. (haha, so to speak.)

"The Transgender Law Center, HRC, GLAAD, ACLU, National Center for Transgender Equality, et al., have failed to cite a single study refuting the evidence that transgender males (“transwomen”) commit crimes against women and girls at exactly the same rate as any other males."

Never forget, these are men. Men with male brains, having grown up with male privilege, and oftentimes added resentment towards women because women were born with the body they want.

They act the same as men, commit crimes the same as men, and endanger women, just like men.

And it's not okay.

That's not the original research article, that's the stupid article you're quoting. Failing to cite a single study is not a big deal, because the article itself claims only ONE STUDY has every been done, and that's the one I provided. Swedes, 1970s to 2000-somehting. Okay? It's a bogus argument, and if you read clearly you'd see this was the case.

Do you really not understand the link between psychiatric morbidity and violence?

If not, here you go:
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/190/2/177.2

So actually, these men are at a much HIGHER level than that of men! Thank you for pointing that out.

It points out how very crazy and dangerous and insane these efforts to force women to interact with said individuals are.

[Anonymous]

I would also like to point out, that if violence is the thing you think needs to be addressed as a priority issue, you might also want to acknowledge the fact that transsexuals are among those with the highest rates of violence victimization. or do you think they get what they deserve since they're "weird?"

http://www.ovc.gov/pubs/forge/sexual_numbers.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would also like to point out, that if violence is the thing you think needs to be addressed as a priority issue, you might also want to acknowledge the fact that transsexuals are among those with the highest rates of violence victimization. or do you think they get what they deserve since they're "weird?"

http://www.ovc.gov/pubs/forge/sexual_numbers.html

Actually, I'm a lesbian, so no, I don't think that.

But you trying to smear opponents of men in women's restrooms certainly says a lot about where your head is at, doesn't it?

[Anonymous]

Here you go. If you want to address the violence and psychological problems of trans people, fix yourself. You seem to be a contributor to the social pathology.

http://www.livescience.com/11208-high-suicide-risk-prejudice-plague-transgender-people.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would also like to point out, that if violence is the thing you think needs to be addressed as a priority issue, you might also want to acknowledge the fact that transsexuals are among those with the highest rates of violence victimization. or do you think they get what they deserve since they're "weird?"

http://www.ovc.gov/pubs/forge/sexual_numbers.html

Actually, I'm a lesbian, so no, I don't think that.

But you trying to smear opponents of men in women's restrooms certainly says a lot about where your head is at, doesn't it?

I don't care if you're lesbian or not. There are a group of people who do not pose a threat to you. You need to get over that. I'm speaking as a close ally, friend, and family member of a trans person.

[Anonymous]

^So you have no interest in addressing the link between psychiatric morbidity and violence?

Why am I not surprised.


You go on and on about how "transgender people aren't violent!" then when you are presented with evidence linking their psychological conditions to acts of violence, all of a sudden it's "you're being mean! They have problems and it's all your fault!"

Absurd. Address the facts provided ^^^^

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^You can keep denying it, it really doesn't matter.

It says right there, in plain English, under the outcomes of the study:

"Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."

I know it's not what you wanted to hear. But that doesn't invalidate the research.

Jeez, you really can't read that right. The point is, people who feel they are in the wrong-gendered body are at higher risks for those things. And sex reassignment surgery, unfortunately, in this study of a small sample of Swedes, found that reassignment did not necessarily help them feel less suicidal, etc. That, in ADDITION to sex reassignment, they could benefit from humane treatment in the form of psychiatric and somatic care. Okay, does that help you now? In other words, if you want to help these people, it probably helps to not be a dick to them. (haha, so to speak.)

"The Transgender Law Center, HRC, GLAAD, ACLU, National Center for Transgender Equality, et al., have failed to cite a single study refuting the evidence that transgender males (“transwomen”) commit crimes against women and girls at exactly the same rate as any other males."

Never forget, these are men. Men with male brains, having grown up with male privilege, and oftentimes added resentment towards women because women were born with the body they want.

They act the same as men, commit crimes the same as men, and endanger women, just like men.

And it's not okay.

That's not the original research article, that's the stupid article you're quoting. Failing to cite a single study is not a big deal, because the article itself claims only ONE STUDY has every been done, and that's the one I provided. Swedes, 1970s to 2000-somehting. Okay? It's a bogus argument, and if you read clearly you'd see this was the case.

Do you really not understand the link between psychiatric morbidity and violence?

If not, here you go:
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/190/2/177.2

So actually, these men are at a much HIGHER level than that of men! Thank you for pointing that out.

It points out how very crazy and dangerous and insane these efforts to force women to interact with said individuals are.

The study does not seem to describe a link. The authors note: "We do not want our finding of a sixfold increase in reporting five or more violent incidents in persons with psychosis to give a misleading impression regarding the association of violence with mental illness."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^So you have no interest in addressing the link between psychiatric morbidity and violence?

Why am I not surprised.


You go on and on about how "transgender people aren't violent!" then when you are presented with evidence linking their psychological conditions to acts of violence, all of a sudden it's "you're being mean! They have problems and it's all your fault!"

Absurd. Address the facts provided ^^^^

If you want to be serious about this, you need to cite data that demonstrates clearly that A (transsexualism) is correlated with B (increased risk of violence to women). But there is no such data at all. There's a smidge of something here, a smidge of something there, but it's not in any way substantiated. You'd have a much, much stronger argument based on violence statistics if you wanted to keep black people out of white people's bathrooms.

[Anonymous]

^ Can you provide that direct quote? I'm not seeing that anywhere in the link from above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^So you have no interest in addressing the link between psychiatric morbidity and violence?

Why am I not surprised.


You go on and on about how "transgender people aren't violent!" then when you are presented with evidence linking their psychological conditions to acts of violence, all of a sudden it's "you're being mean! They have problems and it's all your fault!"

Absurd. Address the facts provided ^^^^

If you want to be serious about this, you need to cite data that demonstrates clearly that A (transsexualism) is correlated with B (increased risk of violence to women). But there is no such data at all. There's a smidge of something here, a smidge of something there, but it's not in any way substantiated. You'd have a much, much stronger argument based on violence statistics if you wanted to keep black people out of white people's bathrooms.

Actually there is:
"The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9–8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0–3.9). Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results. Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls."

And comparing this to black/white segregation is disgusting. Truly. Please check yourself, considering women have been the historically marginalized group, not men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^So you have no interest in addressing the link between psychiatric morbidity and violence?

Why am I not surprised.


You go on and on about how "transgender people aren't violent!" then when you are presented with evidence linking their psychological conditions to acts of violence, all of a sudden it's "you're being mean! They have problems and it's all your fault!"

Absurd. Address the facts provided ^^^^

If you want to be serious about this, you need to cite data that demonstrates clearly that A (transsexualism) is correlated with B (increased risk of violence to women). But there is no such data at all. There's a smidge of something here, a smidge of something there, but it's not in any way substantiated. You'd have a much, much stronger argument based on violence statistics if you wanted to keep black people out of white people's bathrooms.

Actually there is:
"The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9–8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0–3.9). Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results. Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls."

And comparing this to black/white segregation is disgusting. Truly. Please check yourself, considering women have been the historically marginalized group, not men.

FIRST OF ALL: If you want to use a data argument against one group, you use that argument against ALL GROUPS. You need to get that in your head.

SECOND OF ALL: There is ONE STUDY. ONE. That is not sufficient for making a reasoned claim that data indicate.... anything.

THIRD: Sweden. Different violence statistics, culture, etc.

FOURT: Read that last sentence, please. Read it again. Again. Again. You got it now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^So you have no interest in addressing the link between psychiatric morbidity and violence?

Why am I not surprised.


You go on and on about how "transgender people aren't violent!" then when you are presented with evidence linking their psychological conditions to acts of violence, all of a sudden it's "you're being mean! They have problems and it's all your fault!"

Absurd. Address the facts provided ^^^^

If you want to be serious about this, you need to cite data that demonstrates clearly that A (transsexualism) is correlated with B (increased risk of violence to women). But there is no such data at all. There's a smidge of something here, a smidge of something there, but it's not in any way substantiated. You'd have a much, much stronger argument based on violence statistics if you wanted to keep black people out of white people's bathrooms.

Actually there is:
"The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9–8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0–3.9). Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results. Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls."

And comparing this to black/white segregation is disgusting. Truly. Please check yourself, considering women have been the historically marginalized group, not men.

FIRST OF ALL: If you want to use a data argument against one group, you use that argument against ALL GROUPS. You need to get that in your head.

SECOND OF ALL: There is ONE STUDY. ONE. That is not sufficient for making a reasoned claim that data indicate.... anything.

THIRD: Sweden. Different violence statistics, culture, etc.

FOURT: Read that last sentence, please. Read it again. Again. Again. You got it now?

You're really, genuinely trying to claim that a study is completely invalid because it was done in another country?

Wow. I just....

I didn't know anyone was this stupid. Or had such a poor grasp on how scientific studies are carried out.