North Carolina and Transgender Bathrooms

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's prudish that we all don't use the same bathroom no matter our gender or sexual orientation.

LOL!! Some people are just so dumb, and so naive, and so stupid.

Men would love this rule.

Sorry 13 year old girl feeling insecure about your body- we wouldn't want to be "prudish"- go get naked next to your classmate!

What a wonderful, compassionate stance to take!

You do realize the communal area of a restroom doesn't involve getting naked, right? Or are you saying the 13 year old is insecure about washing their hands?

Do you not understand the concept of locker rooms? This is the second time you seem to have missed it...

locker rooms are not restrooms. I think our missing it.

No, you're missing it. Once restrooms are fair game, so are locker rooms. You are saying that your sex organs don't matter and you go to whatever place you feel most comfortable with. A lot of people take issue with that for all the reasons stated above.

Oh gosh- another person who doesn't realize that locker rooms and restrooms are often in the same room or connecting room! I don't understand- do these people never go to the gym? Did they not go to high school?

Are you saying you would be OK with restrooms only, ones without lockers/showers? Or are you just pontificating?

No? Where did you get that?

But the locker room certainly adds another layer of danger. Frightening stuff.

So what's your issue with non locker/shower rooms?

Oh I dunno... maybe the fact that your pants are down?

Is this stuff really that hard to figure out? I feel like I'm having a conversation with a martian who doesn't understand basic human bathroom processes.

How many walls do you need between you and the opposite sex to feel safe with your pants down? One? Two? Three? Four? ..... Ten?

There are sizable gaps in the doors of most restroom stalls - enough to see through pretty damn easy. The ritzier places, like Neimans has a more solid bathroom door, but the average stall leaves a place to peek through.

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Anonymous wrote:^You can keep denying it, it really doesn't matter.

It says right there, in plain English, under the outcomes of the study:

"Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."

I know it's not what you wanted to hear. But that doesn't invalidate the research.

Jeez, you really can't read that right. The point is, people who feel they are in the wrong-gendered body are at higher risks for those things. And sex reassignment surgery, unfortunately, in this study of a small sample of Swedes, found that reassignment did not necessarily help them feel less suicidal, etc. That, in ADDITION to sex reassignment, they could benefit from humane treatment in the form of psychiatric and somatic care. Okay, does that help you now? In other words, if you want to help these people, it probably helps to not be a dick to them. (haha, so to speak.)

Hopkins came up with the same conclusions and stopped their sex change surgeries years ago. In fact, Hopkins said that studies support that transgender feelings are more linked to other body dysmorphic disorders/OCD disorders and should be treated as such for the greatest success.

These types of arguments remind me of the ones going around in eating disordered communities, where, despite the very solid evidence showing that OCD medications taken concurrently with behavior mod therapy, helps immensely and saves lives, those professionals who treat EDs refuse to believe it...because....shaming. If the goal of these 'professionals' was really to save lives, they would embrace these newer findings. But without dead girls, they can't stand on Capitol Hill, so they do not.

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Anonymous wrote:I would also like to point out, that if violence is the thing you think needs to be addressed as a priority issue, you might also want to acknowledge the fact that transsexuals are among those with the highest rates of violence victimization. or do you think they get what they deserve since they're "weird?"

http://www.ovc.gov/pubs/forge/sexual_numbers.html

Actually, I'm a lesbian, so no, I don't think that.

But you trying to smear opponents of men in women's restrooms certainly says a lot about where your head is at, doesn't it?

For what it's worth, your arguments, pp, have been solid and rational. I've enjoyed reading your posts.

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Anonymous wrote:It is really zero big deal.

I have a very, very close and dear friend whose young teen child (born girl, identifies as male/non)--an extremely lovely, smart, and wonderful kid--who, IMO, should pee wherever the heck they feel is right. Luckily they're growing up in a very accepting household and community. My friend is most nervous about the future, venturing in to college and so on. We know the statistics on violence and suicide are quite high for this group.

My daughter met a cashier at Staples the other day who was probably born male, I referred to her as "he," and she corrected me: "She." I said, "Yes, pardon me, 'she'." My daughter asked, "Wait, are you a girl?" And the person behind the register said, "Yes, very much that's I feel deep down inside. How about you?" My daughter said, "I feel like I'm a girl." The cashier said, "Cool" and they fist bumped. And so it goes... My kid's eight, so if she can roll with it...

If history is any guide, we will become less and less uptight and hateful as time goes on. Stand up for these folks. They could use more support and acceptance.

Your friends should be arrested for child abuse.

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Onr of my best friends is a transgender. I don't think he belongs in a woman's restroom. If he was forced to use one due you'd be confused about why he is using the wrong one.

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I'm really appalled at the lack of empathy in this thread. Just because you don't understand the experience of a transgender doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I take heart to the fear of perverted men taking advantage and opportunity to abuse women. However, what's to really stop a man from carrying this out now?

I think the answer and already a trend is towards unisex restrooms and creating family/individual restrooms and changing rooms. This would also solve the problem with dads out with the infants and young daughters as well.

Until then, I think we should just keep our heads down and myob in the bathroom. Remain vigilant to creepy behavior at all times. Don't automatically assume that a transgender woman is a sexual deviant unless their actions show it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really appalled at the lack of empathy in this thread. Just because you don't understand the experience of a transgender doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I take heart to the fear of perverted men taking advantage and opportunity to abuse women. However, what's to really stop a man from carrying this out now?

I think the answer and already a trend is towards unisex restrooms and creating family/individual restrooms and changing rooms. This would also solve the problem with dads out with the infants and young daughters as well.

Until then, I think we should just keep our heads down and myob in the bathroom. Remain vigilant to creepy behavior at all times. Don't automatically assume that a transgender woman is a sexual deviant unless their actions show it.

The difference is a store or gym or community swim pool can not longer ask a man to leave a woman's changing facility if he claims he is transgendrr, even if he is not dressed as a woman, and especially not if he puts on an article of woman's clothing, a wig, or a spot of lipstick. Suddenly, ANY man in a ladies restroomnor locker room is protected if they claim transgendered as an identity, even if they are not (and more than likely they are not as this is such a very rare condition).

These laws teach women and more importantly girls to ignore safety cues in favor of perceived hurt feelings.

It give perverts and deviants a legal way to sccess women and youg girls in a vulnerable location, and the women now have zero ability to speak out of protect themselves as these perverts can now just claim to be transgendered.

If transgendered men have been using women's restrooms and locker rooms for year snd no one is the wiser, then the previous sytem worked and there is no reason to enact laws like tuis that put women and especially young girls at great risk.

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DS goes to Grinnell College where they've had non-gender restrooms for a while. Nobody really pays attention to it and the kids use whatever bathroom is convenient. In his dorm the floor voted on how to handle showers (allocate gender specific times) and the kids voted to just use the shower when it's convenient and comfortable.

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How many walls do you need between you and the opposite sex to feel safe with your pants down? One? Two? Three? Four? ..... Ten?

There are sizable gaps in the doors of most restroom stalls - enough to see through pretty damn easy. The ritzier places, like Neimans has a more solid bathroom door, but the average stall leaves a place to peek through.

The vast majority of people do not peek through cracks in bathroom stalls or care to see anyone going to the bathroom. You have an elevated level of concern about those gaps which suggests you look through them. Now it makes sense why you are so concerned about unisex bathrooms. You don't want men looking at you like you look at other women.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really appalled at the lack of empathy in this thread. Just because you don't understand the experience of a transgender doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I take heart to the fear of perverted men taking advantage and opportunity to abuse women. However, what's to really stop a man from carrying this out now?

I think the answer and already a trend is towards unisex restrooms and creating family/individual restrooms and changing rooms. This would also solve the problem with dads out with the infants and young daughters as well.

Until then, I think we should just keep our heads down and myob in the bathroom. Remain vigilant to creepy behavior at all times. Don't automatically assume that a transgender woman is a sexual deviant unless their actions show it.

Of course it exists, but that doesn't mean that it is right, or normal, or of a person with a sane mind. We don't change our laws to accommodate mental illness. We -- hopefully -- help those who have the problem, but we don't pretend it's a real and OK by rationalizing it in our laws.

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How many walls do you need between you and the opposite sex to feel safe with your pants down? One? Two? Three? Four? ..... Ten?

There are sizable gaps in the doors of most restroom stalls - enough to see through pretty damn easy. The ritzier places, like Neimans has a more solid bathroom door, but the average stall leaves a place to peek through.

The vast majority of people do not peek through cracks in bathroom stalls or care to see anyone going to the bathroom. You have an elevated level of concern about those gaps which suggests you look through them. Now it makes sense why you are so concerned about unisex bathrooms. You don't want men looking at you like you look at other women.

This post right here shows off the agenda EXACTLY - push your own point of view and when someone brings up something logical, go into 'personal attack mode' in order to try and nullify fact.

It it bullying at its finest and everything that the progressive movement says they hate. It is also why I have such disdain for progressives.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually wish ALL bathrooms were unisex. I'm sick of waiting in line for women's bathrooms while DH never, ever has a line.

Why wait? I just use the men's room if its empty.

Ew! Not very ladylike, to say the least.

Right. And peeing my pants is better? When you gotta go...

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really appalled at the lack of empathy in this thread. Just because you don't understand the experience of a transgender doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I take heart to the fear of perverted men taking advantage and opportunity to abuse women. However, what's to really stop a man from carrying this out now?

I think the answer and already a trend is towards unisex restrooms and creating family/individual restrooms and changing rooms. This would also solve the problem with dads out with the infants and young daughters as well.

Until then, I think we should just keep our heads down and myob in the bathroom. Remain vigilant to creepy behavior at all times. Don't automatically assume that a transgender woman is a sexual deviant unless their actions show it.

The difference is a store or gym or community swim pool can not longer ask a man to leave a woman's changing facility if he claims he is transgendrr, even if he is not dressed as a woman, and especially not if he puts on an article of woman's clothing, a wig, or a spot of lipstick. Suddenly, ANY man in a ladies restroomnor locker room is protected if they claim transgendered as an identity, even if they are not (and more than likely they are not as this is such a very rare condition).

These laws teach women and more importantly girls to ignore safety cues in favor of perceived hurt feelings.

It give perverts and deviants a legal way to sccess women and youg girls in a vulnerable location, and the women now have zero ability to speak out of protect themselves as these perverts can now just claim to be transgendered.

If transgendered men have been using women's restrooms and locker rooms for year snd no one is the wiser, then the previous sytem worked and there is no reason to enact laws like tuis that put women and especially young girls at great risk.

That is absolutely not true.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/peter-st-onge/article62719567.html

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's prudish that we all don't use the same bathroom no matter our gender or sexual orientation.

LOL!! Some people are just so dumb, and so naive, and so stupid.

Men would love this rule.

Sorry 13 year old girl feeling insecure about your body- we wouldn't want to be "prudish"- go get naked next to your classmate!

What a wonderful, compassionate stance to take!

You do realize the communal area of a restroom doesn't involve getting naked, right? Or are you saying the 13 year old is insecure about washing their hands?

Do you not understand the concept of locker rooms? This is the second time you seem to have missed it...

locker rooms are not restrooms. I think our missing it.

No, you're missing it. Once restrooms are fair game, so are locker rooms. You are saying that your sex organs don't matter and you go to whatever place you feel most comfortable with. A lot of people take issue with that for all the reasons stated above.

Oh gosh- another person who doesn't realize that locker rooms and restrooms are often in the same room or connecting room! I don't understand- do these people never go to the gym? Did they not go to high school?

Are you saying you would be OK with restrooms only, ones without lockers/showers? Or are you just pontificating?

No? Where did you get that?

But the locker room certainly adds another layer of danger. Frightening stuff.

So what's your issue with non locker/shower rooms?

Oh I dunno... maybe the fact that your pants are down?

Is this stuff really that hard to figure out? I feel like I'm having a conversation with a martian who doesn't understand basic human bathroom processes.

How many walls do you need between you and the opposite sex to feel safe with your pants down? One? Two? Three? Four? ..... Ten?

There are sizable gaps in the doors of most restroom stalls - enough to see through pretty damn easy. The ritzier places, like Neimans has a more solid bathroom door, but the average stall leaves a place to peek through.

Your real worry is peeping toms?