Some facts about Holistic Admissions Criteria from Stanford Daily

[Anonymous]

I implore all of you to read up - start with the book "The Gatekeepers", where minority admissions counselors go to schools looking for minority students to round out their classes. Are you Native American? Never mind those Ds and Fs on your transcript - we need you at this baby Ivy, so admitted you are, because we need Native American on campus.

Meanwhile, my friend had a Chinese exchange student. Second in his class, excellent test scores, very personable guy, a demonstrated leader. Rejected by a WHOPPING 30 AMERICAN COLLEGES. Every damn one he applied to. Didn't need a scholarship either or financial help. He has to go to school in Saudi Arabia.

And y'all have the nerve to bitch about legacies and donations in the same breath? I'd do away with that nonsense too. But y'all want your politically correct BS to stay while at the same time, doing away with what you consider privilege.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I implore all of you to read up - start with the book "The Gatekeepers", where minority admissions counselors go to schools looking for minority students to round out their classes. Are you Native American? Never mind those Ds and Fs on your transcript - we need you at this baby Ivy, so admitted you are, because we need Native American on campus.

Meanwhile, my friend had a Chinese exchange student. Second in his class, excellent test scores, very personable guy, a demonstrated leader. Rejected by a WHOPPING 30 AMERICAN COLLEGES. Every damn one he applied to. Didn't need a scholarship either or financial help. He has to go to school in Saudi Arabia.

And y'all have the nerve to bitch about legacies and donations in the same breath? I'd do away with that nonsense too. But y'all want your politically correct BS to stay while at the same time, doing away with what you consider privilege.

You are contrasting a poor Native American kid, probably the first in his family to go to college, with a rich Chinese guy who "had to" go study in Saudi Arabia? Are you for real?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I implore all of you to read up - start with the book "The Gatekeepers", where minority admissions counselors go to schools looking for minority students to round out their classes. Are you Native American? Never mind those Ds and Fs on your transcript - we need you at this baby Ivy, so admitted you are, because we need Native American on campus.

Meanwhile, my friend had a Chinese exchange student. Second in his class, excellent test scores, very personable guy, a demonstrated leader. Rejected by a WHOPPING 30 AMERICAN COLLEGES. Every damn one he applied to. Didn't need a scholarship either or financial help. He has to go to school in Saudi Arabia.

And y'all have the nerve to bitch about legacies and donations in the same breath? I'd do away with that nonsense too. But y'all want your politically correct BS to stay while at the same time, doing away with what you consider privilege.

Bullshit. You are seriously telling me that this kid can't get into a less selective LAC or to a state school? I don't believe you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I implore all of you to read up - start with the book "The Gatekeepers", where minority admissions counselors go to schools looking for minority students to round out their classes. Are you Native American? Never mind those Ds and Fs on your transcript - we need you at this baby Ivy, so admitted you are, because we need Native American on campus.

Meanwhile, my friend had a Chinese exchange student. Second in his class, excellent test scores, very personable guy, a demonstrated leader. Rejected by a WHOPPING 30 AMERICAN COLLEGES. Every damn one he applied to. Didn't need a scholarship either or financial help. He has to go to school in Saudi Arabia.

And y'all have the nerve to bitch about legacies and donations in the same breath? I'd do away with that nonsense too. But y'all want your politically correct BS to stay while at the same time, doing away with what you consider privilege.

Bullshit. You are seriously telling me that this kid can't get into a less selective LAC or to a state school? I don't believe you.

Agreed. This is bullshit, not least because I don't think that foreign kids compete with the same pool as American kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I implore all of you to read up - start with the book "The Gatekeepers", where minority admissions counselors go to schools looking for minority students to round out their classes. Are you Native American? Never mind those Ds and Fs on your transcript - we need you at this baby Ivy, so admitted you are, because we need Native American on campus.

Meanwhile, my friend had a Chinese exchange student. Second in his class, excellent test scores, very personable guy, a demonstrated leader. Rejected by a WHOPPING 30 AMERICAN COLLEGES. Every damn one he applied to. Didn't need a scholarship either or financial help. He has to go to school in Saudi Arabia.

And y'all have the nerve to bitch about legacies and donations in the same breath? I'd do away with that nonsense too. But y'all want your politically correct BS to stay while at the same time, doing away with what you consider privilege.

Bullshit. You are seriously telling me that this kid can't get into a less selective LAC or to a state school? I don't believe you.

Could have been rejected for obvious plagiarism in the essay or fraud on his Chinese transcript. At my alma mater, a large proportion of the international applicants get tossed out for those reasons. There is a whole industry of "college counselors" in China that produce ridiculously glossy application books for their clients and they have few ethical restraints to prevent fake transcripts and essays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I implore all of you to read up - start with the book "The Gatekeepers", where minority admissions counselors go to schools looking for minority students to round out their classes. Are you Native American? Never mind those Ds and Fs on your transcript - we need you at this baby Ivy, so admitted you are, because we need Native American on campus.

Meanwhile, my friend had a Chinese exchange student. Second in his class, excellent test scores, very personable guy, a demonstrated leader. Rejected by a WHOPPING 30 AMERICAN COLLEGES. Every damn one he applied to. Didn't need a scholarship either or financial help. He has to go to school in Saudi Arabia.

And y'all have the nerve to bitch about legacies and donations in the same breath? I'd do away with that nonsense too. But y'all want your politically correct BS to stay while at the same time, doing away with what you consider privilege.

Bullshit. You are seriously telling me that this kid can't get into a less selective LAC or to a state school? I don't believe you.

Could have been rejected for obvious plagiarism in the essay or fraud on his Chinese transcript. At my alma mater, a large proportion of the international applicants get tossed out for those reasons. There is a whole industry of "college counselors" in China that produce ridiculously glossy application books for their clients and they have few ethical restraints to prevent fake transcripts and essays.

Racist. The post says "exchange student" so the student attended school in the US not in China. Chinese do not have monopoly on "fraud". Other races including whites commit all kinds of fraud.

[Anonymous]

There is a really interesting book about how rich people game the admissions process. I don't remember what t's called, but it's kind of scary.

[Anonymous]

It's always "attack the Asians." Whites are too too timid and scared to attack blacks or Hispanics. Grow some spine if you really want to be an equal opportunity racist idiots.

Or, is it that you secretly wonder if the Asians are indeed superior in intellect and work ethic, you know the great American principle?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's always "attack the Asians." Whites are too too timid and scared to attack blacks or Hispanics. Grow some spine if you really want to be an equal opportunity racist idiots.

Or, is it that you secretly wonder if the Asians are indeed superior in intellect and work ethic, you know the great American principle? [/quoteYou are so full of bullshit! LOL!! Folks, this idiot isn't worth your time. ]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's always "attack the Asians." Whites are too too timid and scared to attack blacks or Hispanics. Grow some spine if you really want to be an equal opportunity racist idiots.

Or, is it that you secretly wonder if the Asians are indeed superior in intellect and work ethic, you know the great American principle? [/quoteYou are so full of bullshit! LOL!! Folks, this idiot isn't worth your time. ]

Use profanity if you have no legitimate arguments or valid points to make.

[Anonymous]

Read the Price of Admission by Daniel Golden. It is not just minorities who get preferable treatment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I implore all of you to read up - start with the book "The Gatekeepers", where minority admissions counselors go to schools looking for minority students to round out their classes. Are you Native American? Never mind those Ds and Fs on your transcript - we need you at this baby Ivy, so admitted you are, because we need Native American on campus.

Meanwhile, my friend had a Chinese exchange student. Second in his class, excellent test scores, very personable guy, a demonstrated leader. Rejected by a WHOPPING 30 AMERICAN COLLEGES. Every damn one he applied to. Didn't need a scholarship either or financial help. He has to go to school in Saudi Arabia.

And y'all have the nerve to bitch about legacies and donations in the same breath? I'd do away with that nonsense too. But y'all want your politically correct BS to stay while at the same time, doing away with what you consider privilege.

Bullshit. You are seriously telling me that this kid can't get into a less selective LAC or to a state school? I don't believe you.

Could have been rejected for obvious plagiarism in the essay or fraud on his Chinese transcript. At my alma mater, a large proportion of the international applicants get tossed out for those reasons. There is a whole industry of "college counselors" in China that produce ridiculously glossy application books for their clients and they have few ethical restraints to prevent fake transcripts and essays.

Racist. The post says "exchange student" so the student attended school in the US not in China. Chinese do not have monopoly on "fraud". Other races including whites commit all kinds of fraud.

He might have sat for SATs in China before coming here as exchange student, and we all have read the articles about the SAT fraud in Asia. The College Board even nixed SAT results from Korea (?) one time. I noticed how the PP said "excellent test scores" but not grades
And I am really sorry for the kids in Asia. It's like even if they do not want to cheat, they are forced to because everyone is doing it and the stakes are so high. I am not OK with bringing this attitude stateside though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I implore all of you to read up - start with the book "The Gatekeepers", where minority admissions counselors go to schools looking for minority students to round out their classes. Are you Native American? Never mind those Ds and Fs on your transcript - we need you at this baby Ivy, so admitted you are, because we need Native American on campus.

Meanwhile, my friend had a Chinese exchange student. Second in his class, excellent test scores, very personable guy, a demonstrated leader. Rejected by a WHOPPING 30 AMERICAN COLLEGES. Every damn one he applied to. Didn't need a scholarship either or financial help. He has to go to school in Saudi Arabia.

And y'all have the nerve to bitch about legacies and donations in the same breath? I'd do away with that nonsense too. But y'all want your politically correct BS to stay while at the same time, doing away with what you consider privilege.

Bullshit. You are seriously telling me that this kid can't get into a less selective LAC or to a state school? I don't believe you.

Could have been rejected for obvious plagiarism in the essay or fraud on his Chinese transcript. At my alma mater, a large proportion of the international applicants get tossed out for those reasons. There is a whole industry of "college counselors" in China that produce ridiculously glossy application books for their clients and they have few ethical restraints to prevent fake transcripts and essays.

Racist. The post says "exchange student" so the student attended school in the US not in China. Chinese do not have monopoly on "fraud". Other races including whites commit all kinds of fraud.

He might have sat for SATs in China before coming here as exchange student, and we all have read the articles about the SAT fraud in Asia. The College Board even nixed SAT results from Korea (?) one time. I noticed how the PP said "excellent test scores" but not grades
And I am really sorry for the kids in Asia. It's like even if they do not want to cheat, they are forced to because everyone is doing it and the stakes are so high. I am not OK with bringing this attitude stateside though.

Unlikely the kid took SAT in China before high school and used it for college admissions and there was a huge SAT scandal involving bunch of white kids in New York state few years ago where kids were paid to take the SAT for other students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unlikely the kid took SAT in China before high school and used it for college admissions and there was a huge SAT scandal involving bunch of white kids in New York state few years ago where kids were paid to take the SAT for other students.

Exchange students usually come to the US for a year or two, so he may have completed 1-2 years of HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I implore all of you to read up - start with the book "The Gatekeepers", where minority admissions counselors go to schools looking for minority students to round out their classes. Are you Native American? Never mind those Ds and Fs on your transcript - we need you at this baby Ivy, so admitted you are, because we need Native American on campus.

Meanwhile, my friend had a Chinese exchange student. Second in his class, excellent test scores, very personable guy, a demonstrated leader. Rejected by a WHOPPING 30 AMERICAN COLLEGES. Every damn one he applied to. Didn't need a scholarship either or financial help. He has to go to school in Saudi Arabia.

And y'all have the nerve to bitch about legacies and donations in the same breath? I'd do away with that nonsense too. But y'all want your politically correct BS to stay while at the same time, doing away with what you consider privilege.

You are contrasting a poor Native American kid, probably the first in his family to go to college, with a rich Chinese guy who "had to" go study in Saudi Arabia? Are you for real?

Yes. Because the school chose him over others simply due to his Native American status. Against the law. Ds and Fs do not traditionally get into a baby Ivy