Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If having the bravery to go into combat, to fly into energy fire, withstanding torture and years of captivity by the enemy and still having the strength and loyalty to stand up for and not leave fellow soldiers behind is "not even worthy of a shrug"

(shrug) I did not say that was true. Read for comprehension, dolt.

Everyone who goes into combat is not a hero.
Everyone who gets shot down is not a hero.
Everyone who is captured is not a hero.
Everyone who is tortured is not a hero.

If you knew anything about the military, you would know this, dolt.

Anonymous wrote: then in comparison, what does it make the PP who expounded on that opinion? Considering the PP probably never served, much less in combat, much less directly faced the enemy, much less ever had to deal with captivity and torture, much less had the strength to stand up for fellow soldiers? In my opinion, it makes the PP even lower than a dog turd.

Your idiotic ad hominem argument here shows that you have a dog turd for a brain.

I think you meant to say "Not" everyone who does those things is a hero. The way you have it written now, none of them are. Or maybe that's what you meant. You don't seem terribly bright.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
where's the false premise? That heroes can be heroes when acting unjust?

Two false premises:
1. Vietnam was an unjust war.
2. Anyone participating in an unjust war is a coward.

Vietnam was was unjust. It wasn't a existential national security threat.

War is a tool to use to obtain a certain strategic outcome. If that strategic outcome is unjust, then participating or using the tool of war is unjust and therefore unheroic.

#2 is the reasoning that has the south waving stars and bars and have confederate statues and memorials everywhere.

[Anonymous]

The PP saying McCain isn't a hero is just trolling. Just like Trump, the PP never served, never saw combat, never saw that kind of adversity and has zero clue.

Nothing but an empty opinion not worthy of any further breath.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The PP saying McCain isn't a hero is just trolling. Just like Trump, the PP never served, never saw combat, never saw that kind of adversity and has zero clue.

Nothing but an empty opinion not worthy of any further breath.

It would've taken greater strength by McCain to say "no, I cannot go along with military action in Vietnam. It is wrong". Imagine the son of an admiral saying that during that time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP saying McCain isn't a hero is just trolling. Just like Trump, the PP never served, never saw combat, never saw that kind of adversity and has zero clue.

Nothing but an empty opinion not worthy of any further breath.

It would've taken greater strength by McCain to say "no, I cannot go along with military action in Vietnam. It is wrong". Imagine the son of an admiral saying that during that time?

But that is *NOT* what Trump is saying. Trump is saying McCain isn't a hero because wasn't "Rambo" enough for his liking. Trump is lost in fantasy land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP saying McCain isn't a hero is just trolling. Just like Trump, the PP never served, never saw combat, never saw that kind of adversity and has zero clue.

Nothing but an empty opinion not worthy of any further breath.

It would've taken greater strength by McCain to say "no, I cannot go along with military action in Vietnam. It is wrong". Imagine the son of an admiral saying that during that time?

But that is *NOT* what Trump is saying. Trump is saying McCain isn't a hero because wasn't "Rambo" enough for his liking. Trump is lost in fantasy land.

Yes this is true. I didn't address anything about what trump was saying is right or wrong.

I'm just saying that I do not think one can be called a hero if they participate in something that is horrifically unjust.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP saying McCain isn't a hero is just trolling. Just like Trump, the PP never served, never saw combat, never saw that kind of adversity and has zero clue.

Nothing but an empty opinion not worthy of any further breath.

It would've taken greater strength by McCain to say "no, I cannot go along with military action in Vietnam. It is wrong". Imagine the son of an admiral saying that during that time?

But that is *NOT* what Trump is saying. Trump is saying McCain isn't a hero because wasn't "Rambo" enough for his liking. Trump is lost in fantasy land.

Yes this is true. I didn't address anything about what trump was saying is right or wrong.

I'm just saying that I do not think one can be called a hero if they participate in something that is horrifically unjust.

Ah, I see... so you are just interjecting your own arbitrary and unrelated commentary into a thread about Trump. Wow, you must have an even bigger ego than Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP saying McCain isn't a hero is just trolling. Just like Trump, the PP never served, never saw combat, never saw that kind of adversity and has zero clue.

Nothing but an empty opinion not worthy of any further breath.

It would've taken greater strength by McCain to say "no, I cannot go along with military action in Vietnam. It is wrong". Imagine the son of an admiral saying that during that time?

But that is *NOT* what Trump is saying. Trump is saying McCain isn't a hero because wasn't "Rambo" enough for his liking. Trump is lost in fantasy land.

Yes this is true. I didn't address anything about what trump was saying is right or wrong.

I'm just saying that I do not think one can be called a hero if they participate in something that is horrifically unjust.

Ah, I see... so you are just interjecting your own arbitrary and unrelated commentary into a thread about Trump. Wow, you must have an even bigger ego than Trump.

Well there's two discussions here. Is Donald Trump an asshole? Question # 1. And is John McCain a war hero? Question 2.

Trump's analysis is wrong and disrespectful because he asserts, as you say, that McCain is not a hero because he wasn't rambo.

However, I do not think McCain is a war hero because he participated in an unjust campaign that was unjust.

The logic of calling McCain a war hero is the same logic used to call confederate officers war heroes.

There is nothing heroic in taking up arms for an unjust cause.

[Anonymous]

There is no shortage of morons willing to go off and get shot at or captired. The real heros are the ones who are back home, building up the economy, to pay for this whole thing.

The US doesnt win wars because of the quality of our soldiers, but because of our economic weight that allows us to spend more on our military than the rest of the world put together. So yes, the billionaires are the real war heros, not some thrice-crashing loser.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no shortage of morons willing to go off and get shot at or captired. The real heros are the ones who are back home, building up the economy, to pay for this whole thing.

The US doesnt win wars because of the quality of our soldiers, but because of our economic weight that allows us to spend more on our military than the rest of the world put together. So yes, the billionaires are the real war heros, not some thrice-crashing loser.

Oh, FUCK your idiocy. The billionaires are the ones who've been getting us into unneeded wars which put us trillions into debt. Iraq, for one.

[Anonymous]

And the latest in the Trump Hit Parade - after disrespecting McCain and Vietnam era vets, Trump tweeted out the picture of someone who he considered to be a Vietnam-era hero - a man who turned out to have murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/07/21/donald-trump-attempts-to-praise-vietnam-veteran-accidentally-tweets-photo-of-murderer-instead-images/

Face it, Trump wouldn't know a war hero from his own ass.

[Anonymous]

Oh look, Ron Paul agrees with me:

“‘Service’ in our military to invade, occupy, and oppress countries in order to extend U.S. Empire must not be glorified as a ‘heroic’ and sacred effort,” Paul writes. “My five years in the Air Force during the 1960s did not qualify me as any sort of hero.”

“My primary thoughts now about that period of time are: ‘Why was I so complacent, and why did I so rarely seriously question the wisdom of the Vietnam War?’” Paul writes. “The sad part is that the military personnel who march off to war are more victims and dupes than heroes.”

Our culture that praises war and punishes truth -tellers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh look, Ron Paul agrees with me:

“‘Service’ in our military to invade, occupy, and oppress countries in order to extend U.S. Empire must not be glorified as a ‘heroic’ and sacred effort,” Paul writes. “My five years in the Air Force during the 1960s did not qualify me as any sort of hero.”

“My primary thoughts now about that period of time are: ‘Why was I so complacent, and why did I so rarely seriously question the wisdom of the Vietnam War?’” Paul writes. “The sad part is that the military personnel who march off to war are more victims and dupes than heroes.”

Our culture that praises war and punishes truth -tellers

This is not a Ron Paul thread, it is a Donald Trump thread.

But that said, Ron Paul was never sent to war, never saw combat, never faced the enemy, never went through any of what McCain did, never sacrificed as much, never suffered as much, either. His experience and McCains do not compare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no shortage of morons willing to go off and get shot at or captired. The real heros are the ones who are back home, building up the economy, to pay for this whole thing.

The US doesnt win wars because of the quality of our soldiers, but because of our economic weight that allows us to spend more on our military than the rest of the world put together. So yes, the billionaires are the real war heros, not some thrice-crashing loser.

Oh geez. Look, I think it was absolutely ridiculous for the U.S. To get involved in Vietnam. The toll there was horrific, if anyone is ever there I encourage you to check out the War Renembrance museum in HCMC. Very poignant. It's amazing that the country doesn't appear to harbor a great deal of ill will towards the U.S., I wouldn't blame them if they did.

That said, most of the U.S. soldiers who served were drafted. What were feasible alternative options for draftees besides having a legal deferment or moving to Canada? The soldiers were largely pawns in a larger game that they didn't control, and many vets are still suffering the consequences today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no shortage of morons willing to go off and get shot at or captired. The real heros are the ones who are back home, building up the economy, to pay for this whole thing.

The US doesnt win wars because of the quality of our soldiers, but because of our economic weight that allows us to spend more on our military than the rest of the world put together. So yes, the billionaires are the real war heros, not some thrice-crashing loser.

Oh geez. Look, I think it was absolutely ridiculous for the U.S. To get involved in Vietnam. The toll there was horrific, if anyone is ever there I encourage you to check out the War Renembrance museum in HCMC. Very poignant. It's amazing that the country doesn't appear to harbor a great deal of ill will towards the U.S., I wouldn't blame them if they did.

That said, most of the U.S. soldiers who served were drafted. What were feasible alternative options for draftees besides having a legal deferment or moving to Canada? The soldiers were largely pawns in a larger game that they didn't control, and many vets are still suffering the consequences today.

Not to mention that, at least early on, most men really had no idea what they were getting themselves into or what it was like over there. Military commanders were boasting that it would be a short, victorious military effort.