Ebola patient in Texas has died

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Anonymous wrote:Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan told his fiancee the day he was diagnosed last week that he regrets exposing her to the deadly virus and had he known he was carrying Ebola, he would have “preferred to stay in Liberia and died than bring this to you,” a family friend said.

“He apologized to Louise the day they told him what he had,” said Saymendy Lloyd, a close friend of Louise Troh, the fiancee of Duncan, who is in critical condition and no longer responsive. “He told her, ‘I’m so sorry all of this is happening. .?.?. I would not put the love of my life in danger.’ ”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/ebola-patient-in-dallas-rues-bringing-virus-to-love-of-my-life/2014/10/07/a1eb8ba8-4e55-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story.html

Not really buying it, given the state of Liberia worh Ebola.

If he really believed he'd been exposed to Ebola (which I don't buy) he could have still come to the US but quarantined himself from his family. The fact that he didn't seems telling.

But why? It's so hard to actually get here in the US. Why would he quarantine himself?

And why would his nephew suspect he had Ebola when it never ever crossed anyone else's mind?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ebola-nephew-sought-cdc-help-story.htmlWeeks said he suspected his uncle had contracted the Ebola virus in Liberia before flying to Dallas last month, his first trip to the United States, to attend his son’s school graduation.

Weeks was probably closely following the situation in Liberia (as some of us here have been). When someone arrives from Liberia and has a fever, vomiting, and abdominal pain such that they go to a hospital, my first fear would be Ebola. That seems to be what happened here.

Imagine if you went to the hospital with those symptoms and they sent you home with antibiotics. Would that be good care for what is most likely a virus? If you had recently been in West Africa, wouldn't that be very poor care? Calling the CDC was a great decision by Weeks.

I agree it was a great decision by Weeks. This guy was like a brother to Duncan - you don't think he's passing along information? Concerned for him? Telling him what he knows from here?
I wish he would have called the CDC when the plane landed in the US.

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This makes no sense. Weeks didn't suspect Ebola until after the uncle began exhibiting symptoms, which was 4-5 days after his plane landed.

Good point. However, since they're so close and keeping in touch I'm sure Duncan's telling him of the perplexing deaths in his own home and Weeks has to know he's been at the least exposed.

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Anonymous wrote:Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan told his fiancee the day he was diagnosed last week that he regrets exposing her to the deadly virus and had he known he was carrying Ebola, he would have “preferred to stay in Liberia and died than bring this to you,” a family friend said.

“He apologized to Louise the day they told him what he had,” said Saymendy Lloyd, a close friend of Louise Troh, the fiancee of Duncan, who is in critical condition and no longer responsive. “He told her, ‘I’m so sorry all of this is happening. .?.?. I would not put the love of my life in danger.’ ”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/ebola-patient-in-dallas-rues-bringing-virus-to-love-of-my-life/2014/10/07/a1eb8ba8-4e55-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story.html

Not really buying it, given the state of Liberia worh Ebola.

If he really believed he'd been exposed to Ebola (which I don't buy) he could have still come to the US but quarantined himself from his family. The fact that he didn't seems telling.

But why? It's so hard to actually get here in the US. Why would he quarantine himself?

And why would his nephew suspect he had Ebola when it never ever crossed anyone else's mind?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ebola-nephew-sought-cdc-help-story.htmlWeeks said he suspected his uncle had contracted the Ebola virus in Liberia before flying to Dallas last month, his first trip to the United States, to attend his son’s school graduation.

The nephew became concerned *after* his uncle started to develop symptoms that could be consistent with Ebola. If I knew someone who had just travelled here from Liberia and was feeling ill with fever and stomach pains, I'd worry about the same thing. That says nothing about whether or not Duncan knew he had been exposed before leaving Liberia.

Yes, you'd worry about them and tell them too, right?

Sure, but that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not he believed he'd been exposed before he left Liberia and before he had symptoms.

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Anonymous wrote:Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan told his fiancee the day he was diagnosed last week that he regrets exposing her to the deadly virus and had he known he was carrying Ebola, he would have “preferred to stay in Liberia and died than bring this to you,” a family friend said.

“He apologized to Louise the day they told him what he had,” said Saymendy Lloyd, a close friend of Louise Troh, the fiancee of Duncan, who is in critical condition and no longer responsive. “He told her, ‘I’m so sorry all of this is happening. .?.?. I would not put the love of my life in danger.’ ”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/ebola-patient-in-dallas-rues-bringing-virus-to-love-of-my-life/2014/10/07/a1eb8ba8-4e55-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story.html

Not really buying it, given the state of Liberia worh Ebola.

If he really believed he'd been exposed to Ebola (which I don't buy) he could have still come to the US but quarantined himself from his family. The fact that he didn't seems telling.

But why? It's so hard to actually get here in the US. Why would he quarantine himself?

And why would his nephew suspect he had Ebola when it never ever crossed anyone else's mind?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ebola-nephew-sought-cdc-help-story.htmlWeeks said he suspected his uncle had contracted the Ebola virus in Liberia before flying to Dallas last month, his first trip to the United States, to attend his son’s school graduation.

Weeks was probably closely following the situation in Liberia (as some of us here have been). When someone arrives from Liberia and has a fever, vomiting, and abdominal pain such that they go to a hospital, my first fear would be Ebola. That seems to be what happened here.

Imagine if you went to the hospital with those symptoms and they sent you home with antibiotics. Would that be good care for what is most likely a virus? If you had recently been in West Africa, wouldn't that be very poor care? Calling the CDC was a great decision by Weeks.

I agree it was a great decision by Weeks. This guy was like a brother to Duncan - you don't think he's passing along information? Concerned for him? Telling him what he knows from here?
I wish he would have called the CDC when the plane landed in the US.

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This makes no sense. Weeks didn't suspect Ebola until after the uncle began exhibiting symptoms, which was 4-5 days after his plane landed.

Good point. However, since they're so close and keeping in touch I'm sure Duncan's telling him of the perplexing deaths in his own home and Weeks has to know he's been at the least exposed.

That's a huge assumption that I'm not sure we can make.

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Anyone with half a brain who visited Liberia and helped a woman who was dying to the disease to the hospital and back would be able to - at a minimum - but two and two together and think there was a POSSIBILITY they had Ebola when symtpoms like fever and stomach pains emerged.

Not sure why so many people on this thread are pretending that Duncan didn't know there was an excellent chance he had Ebola. And the fact that he concealed the truth from so many officials and medical personnel about his travels to Liberia and exposure to Ebola there, only confirms that he was likely aware (though probably terrified) that he likely had Ebola.

Feel bad for the guy and am sad that he died, mostly for his family. But he was no hero in this scenario and potentially put many other people at risk. Frankly it's pure luck that we haven't seen more cases pop up among his friends and close loved ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone with half a brain who visited Liberia and helped a woman who was dying to the disease to the hospital and back would be able to - at a minimum - but two and two together and think there was a POSSIBILITY they had Ebola when symtpoms like fever and stomach pains emerged.

Not sure why so many people on this thread are pretending that Duncan didn't know there was an excellent chance he had Ebola. And the fact that he concealed the truth from so many officials and medical personnel about his travels to Liberia and exposure to Ebola there, only confirms that he was likely aware (though probably terrified) that he likely had Ebola.

Feel bad for the guy and am sad that he died, mostly for his family. But he was no hero in this scenario and potentially put many other people at risk. Frankly it's pure luck that we haven't seen more cases pop up among his friends and close loved ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone with half a brain who visited Liberia and helped a woman who was dying to the disease to the hospital and back would be able to - at a minimum - but two and two together and think there was a POSSIBILITY they had Ebola when symtpoms like fever and stomach pains emerged.

Not sure why so many people on this thread are pretending that Duncan didn't know there was an excellent chance he had Ebola. And the fact that he concealed the truth from so many officials and medical personnel about his travels to Liberia and exposure to Ebola there, only confirms that he was likely aware (though probably terrified) that he likely had Ebola.

Feel bad for the guy and am sad that he died, mostly for his family. But he was no hero in this scenario and potentially put many other people at risk. Frankly it's pure luck that we haven't seen more cases pop up among his friends and close loved ones.

How in the world does telling people you don't have (and haven't been exposed) to Ebola mean you probably have it? This is quite possibly the most warped logic I've ever heard.

And he did not conceal the fact that he was from Liberia. Hospital workers were told of the Africa connection at his first admission.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't you fools get it? He could have KILLED YOU and your whole family. He may still do so! He does not deserve your pity or compassion.

I am Catholic and in my religion you never speak badly about the dead. Yes he made a grave mistake and it was wrong. However, he is dead now and it is sad and I hope he rests in peace. I hope those of you quoting the bible constantly remember to turn the other cheek and forgive... No one should celebrate death.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't you fools get it? He could have KILLED YOU and your whole family. He may still do so! He does not deserve your pity or compassion.

I am Catholic and in my religion you never speak badly about the dead. Yes he made a grave mistake and it was wrong. However, he is dead now and it is sad and I hope he rests in peace. I hope those of you quoting the bible constantly remember to turn the other cheek and forgive... No one should celebrate death.

Never EVER forgive evil. Any church that tells you to do so? Find another

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Anonymous wrote:Don't you fools get it? He could have KILLED YOU and your whole family. He may still do so! He does not deserve your pity or compassion.

I am Catholic and in my religion you never speak badly about the dead. Yes he made a grave mistake and it was wrong. However, he is dead now and it is sad and I hope he rests in peace. I hope those of you quoting the bible constantly remember to turn the other cheek and forgive... No one should celebrate death.

Never EVER forgive evil. Any church that tells you to do so? Find another

You sound pretty evil to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't you fools get it? He could have KILLED YOU and your whole family. He may still do so! He does not deserve your pity or compassion.

I am Catholic and in my religion you never speak badly about the dead. Yes he made a grave mistake and it was wrong. However, he is dead now and it is sad and I hope he rests in peace. I hope those of you quoting the bible constantly remember to turn the other cheek and forgive... No one should celebrate death.

Never EVER forgive evil. Any church that tells you to do so? Find another

You sound pretty evil to me.

You would forgive a child molester? I would not, not even in death

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Anonymous wrote:Don't you fools get it? He could have KILLED YOU and your whole family. He may still do so! He does not deserve your pity or compassion.

I am Catholic and in my religion you never speak badly about the dead. Yes he made a grave mistake and it was wrong. However, he is dead now and it is sad and I hope he rests in peace. I hope those of you quoting the bible constantly remember to turn the other cheek and forgive... No one should celebrate death.

Never EVER forgive evil. Any church that tells you to do so? Find another

You sound pretty evil to me.

You would forgive a child molester? I would not, not even in death

Thomas Duncan was not a child molester. In fact, it's not even clear that he did anything wrong (at least not knowingly and deliberately).

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Anonymous wrote:Don't you fools get it? He could have KILLED YOU and your whole family. He may still do so! He does not deserve your pity or compassion.

I am Catholic and in my religion you never speak badly about the dead. Yes he made a grave mistake and it was wrong. However, he is dead now and it is sad and I hope he rests in peace. I hope those of you quoting the bible constantly remember to turn the other cheek and forgive... No one should celebrate death.

Never EVER forgive evil. Any church that tells you to do so? Find another

You sound pretty evil to me.

You would forgive a child molester? I would not, not even in death

Thomas Duncan was not a child molester. In fact, it's not even clear that he did anything wrong (at least not knowingly and deliberately).

He knew there was a dangerous virus killing people in his town. He knew she had those symptoms. He knew he was exposed to it, and he knew others died

Do you think Duncan was stupid? I don't

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Anonymous wrote:Don't you fools get it? He could have KILLED YOU and your whole family. He may still do so! He does not deserve your pity or compassion.

I am Catholic and in my religion you never speak badly about the dead. Yes he made a grave mistake and it was wrong. However, he is dead now and it is sad and I hope he rests in peace. I hope those of you quoting the bible constantly remember to turn the other cheek and forgive... No one should celebrate death.

Never EVER forgive evil. Any church that tells you to do so? Find another

You sound pretty evil to me.

You would forgive a child molester? I would not, not even in death

Thomas Duncan was not a child molester. In fact, it's not even clear that he did anything wrong (at least not knowingly and deliberately).

He knew there was a dangerous virus killing people in his town. He knew she had those symptoms. He knew he was exposed to it, and he knew others died

Do you think Duncan was stupid? I don't

No, I think he was told that she had malaria (which is also very common in Africa, by the way) and pregnancy complications and he wanted desperately to believe that story, so he did. Why do you think he helped her to begin with? How can the same person be selfless enough to help a dying woman knowing she had Ebola, but selfish enough to subsequently expose his family to the disease? He was a saint one day and a devil the next? It doesn't add up. The only explanation is that he truly didn't believe she had Ebola. Denial can be a very powerful force, and it has been well-documented in the media that denial is a big part of the problem in West Africa.

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Since malaria is very common, and the symptoms ate different, that reinforces the fact he knew this was ebola

You are reaching, unless you think him stupid

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And since denial is so prevalent, makes sense to shut down flights from those areas even more. You want SO badly to pity these folks that you are willing to risk lives here

You can feel badly for them and STILL not bring it here.

Obama sending our military without a plan? He hates military and doesn't care what happens to them.