Why Some People Convert to Islam
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Anonymous
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Iran rules by a different yardstick, and for what the U.S. calls the Islamic government, one can actually do a lot in Teheran. You can take ballet classes if you want. Try doing that in Jeddah. Jews have a guaranteed government seat.
When I say music, I mean instrumental music, not singing, or singing accompanied with instruments. |
Anonymous
oops, sorry, PP. Confused you with the islamophobe. Hard to determine who wrote what on an anonymous forum. |
Anonymous
As I recall when Khomeini first came to power the regime tried to ban all kinds of things, including music and singing. I recall a lot of ridicule directed at that and them having to beat a hasty retreat on it. Actually bothered to do a quick on this rather than relying on memory about this. Here's the first link I found. It confirms the Islamic regime's early banning of music: http://fis-iran.org/en/irannameh/volxix/iran-status-music Again, repeat my assertion that Islamic fundamentalists really don't have the first grasp on human nature and are doomed to failure because of this. Unfortunately, until that happens, much human misery will occur. |
Anonymous
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Here is a video about Dr. Jeffrey Lang, math professor, on how / why he went from being atheist to a Muslim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H_C0BMyGCA |
Anonymous
Yawn. Can I post about people who went from Islam to atheism? Because there are a lot of them. |
Anonymous
+1. Who cares about one person's personal journey from one religion to another other than those enthralled by the chosen religion and who see the conversion as confirmation of the rightness of their beliefs? Stuff like this should be posted on an Islamic site, not DCUM. |
Anonymous
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There is a whole industry dedicated to proving that the Quran has predicted all modern science and contains all sorts of scientific statements that centuries later, proved to be true. When you look at them closer, these statements are invariably incredibly vague and either meaningless, or a simple reflection of common sense. I remember reading one site that argued that the Quran correctly described the fetal development in humans based on this gem:
"God created man from sperm". Or "God creates you inside the bodies of your mothers." Or "We caused who we will to rest in the womb for the appointed term. I was like, ummmmm, isn't all of that blindingly obvious, even to a 7th-century Arab? That sperm is required for procreation? That babies grow inside their mother's stomach? But no wonder. Saudi Arabia has a very well financed program for scientists and physicians who convert that covers book deals, symposia etc. When you look closer at what they say, there is no other explanation than they do it for the money. |
Anonymous
| There's also the Quranic verse about the invisible pillars that hold up the sky. |
Anonymous
Not to mention that the bits going on and on about creating man from sperm miss a rather obvious part: the egg. |
Anonymous
Could you post the verse this comes from please. |
Anonymous
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2. THE GENDER DETERMINATION HADITH
According to embryology, the crucial event that determines whether the embryo will develop into a male or female occurs in the second half of the sixth week of gestation. See for example: How Is Sex Determined? www.pbs.org The Prophet Muhammad MHMD - upon him and his House blessings and peace - disclosed the exact same timeframe fourteen centuries ago. Imam Muslim narrates from Hudhayfa that the Prophet MHMD said: The sperm-and-ovum drop falls into the uterus [and remains] for forty nights, after which the angel in charge of fashioning it descends upon it and says, "Lord! Male or female?" Then Allah makes it male or female. Another version from Hudhayfa in al-Bukhari and Muslim states: The angel is sent to the sperm-and-ovum drop after it has settled in the uterus for FORTY OR FORTY-FIVE NIGHTS and says, "Lord! Is it to be wretched or happy?" Then this is inscribed. Then he says, "Lord! Is it to be male or female?" Then this is inscribed, together with its deeds, its progeny, its term of life, and its sustenance. Then the records are folded up and nothing more is added nor subtracted. Having just gone through IVF and PGD, which told me the sex of the fetus after FIVE FREAKING DAYS, I couldn't stop laughing at that one. |
Anonymous
| All very ironic considering Muslim men regularly divorce their wives for not producing sons (kind of like Henry the VIII). |
Anonymous
Thats hilarious….BUT -- Is it possible that the Angel did not know but that God knew all along, even before the embryo became a 5 day old blastocyst? Here is an article written by Keith L. Moore, Ph.D., F.I.A.C., Professor of Anatomy and Chairman of the Department, Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada on how astonished he was that the Quran could have identified key stages of the embryo before the microscope was even invented: Keith Moore: "Human beings have always been interested in where they came from and how they developed before birth. We know from the earliest records that primitive peoples realized that the birth of a baby was the sequel to sexual union or intercourse. However, for many centuries the idea about human prenatal development were based on speculation and mysticism. The absence of knowledge about embryological processes and the dominating influence of superstition resulted in a non-scientific approach to human development. As far was we know, Aristotle wrote the first embryology book in the 4th century BC. In it he recorded some observations on comparative embryology, especially on the general progress of the developing chick. He promoted, however, the incorrect idea that the human embryo developed from a formless mass that resulted from the union of the semen with the menstrual blood. Scientific knowledge of embryology did not progress significantly for nearly 2000 years. It was not until the close of the 17th century, when the microscope was developed, that the early stages of human development could be effectively studied. After it was possible to examine cells under the microscope, it was reasoned in the 18th century that development resulted from the growth and differentiation of embryonic cells. Almost a year ago I was consulted about the meaning of certain verses in the Qur’an and some sayings in the Hadiths which referred to human reproduction and embryological development. I was amazed at the scientific accuracy of these statements which were made in the 7th century AD. I have selected verses and sayings for which I shall provide personal interpretations based on my knowledge of embryological history and of the modern science of embryology. The realization that the embryo develops in stages in the uterus (figure 1) was not discussed or illustrated until the 15th century AD., although Galen had mentioned the placenta and fetal membranes in his book On the Formation of the Foetus written in the 2nd century AD and must have known about the uterus. This verse from the Koran (39:6) states that God makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, with in three veils of darkness Figure 1. This verse from the Koran (39:6) states that God makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, with in three veils of darkness. After the microscope was developed in the 17th century, descriptions of the early stages of the developing chick were made, as observed with simple lenses (Arey, 1974). The staging of human embryos was not proposed until the 1940’s (Streeter, 1942), and the stages used nowadays (figure 2) were not adopted worldwide until a few years ago (O’Rahilly, 1972; Nishumura et al., 1974)." |
Anonymous
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In his article, Keith Moore writes: "It is reasonable to interpret the three veils of darkness mentioned in the Koran as: (a) the mother’s abdominal wall (figure 3); (b) the wall of the uterus; and (c) the amniochorionic membrane composed of the fused amnion and chorion. These three anatomical layers protect the embryo from external injury."
So he seemed to think the Quran, if not the hadith, was on point at least in knowing the three stages of fetal development. |
Anonymous
The fact that the baby was surrounded by three veils of darkness, i.e. three layers, can be easily ascertained by unassisted observation, which has been practiced in Rome and by Cleopatra way before Islam, where C-section was pioneered, and where Cleopatra sometimes cut up pregnant women for fun. Arabs were familiar with Greek physician writing so there was nothing revolutionary in what is written in this verse. |