To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics

Anonymous
Are you biddies still at it? Jesus, please tell me you're not representative of MoCo parents. If you are, I'm goign to reconsider my upcoming move to Maryland, stay in DC, and pay for private school. A small price to pay to escape the whackos - and I'm talking to all of you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Are you biddies still at it? Jesus, please tell me you're not representative of MoCo parents. If you are, I'm goign to reconsider my upcoming move to Maryland, stay in DC, and pay for private school. A small price to pay to escape the whackos - and I'm talking to all of you.


It sounds like we'd all be happier if you stayed in DC.
Anonymous
So eliminating math pathways is hurting twice as many white kids as asian kids (23,697/12,150).

By the same numbers, it is hurting 11,547 more white kids than asian kids (23,697 - 12,150).


There are an equal proportion of Asians and whites affected by the policy roughly. If the population denominators stay the same and the gap is widening according to the Post article then they is probably a higher proportion of Asians affected by the MCPS policy. This assumes the numbers provided are somewhat correct
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
So eliminating math pathways is hurting twice as many white kids as asian kids (23,697/12,150).

By the same numbers, it is hurting 11,547 more white kids than asian kids (23,697 - 12,150).


There are an equal proportion of Asians and whites affected by the policy roughly. If the population denominators stay the same and the gap is widening according to the Post article then they is probably a higher proportion of Asians affected by the MCPS policy. This assumes the numbers provided are somewhat correct


You are beyond help.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
There are an equal proportion of Asians and whites affected by the policy roughly. If the population denominators stay the same and the gap is widening according to the Post article then they is probably a higher proportion of Asians affected by the MCPS policy. This assumes the numbers provided are somewhat correct


According to the poster at 16:00, there are 20,949 Asian kids in Moco (she used your own demographic numbers, that Asian students represent 14.3% of Moco's 146,497 students in the system.)

Do you know what this means?

113% of Moco's 20,949 Asian students would have to be in advanced math to equal the 23,697 white students in advanced math. That's right, 113% of Asian students. There are more white kids in advanced math in MoCo than there are Asian kids at any level of math in Moco.

You tell us: can the achievement gap between asian and white students ever widen so much that 113% of Asian students are in advanced math?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Are you biddies still at it? Jesus, please tell me you're not representative of MoCo parents. If you are, I'm goign to reconsider my upcoming move to Maryland, stay in DC, and pay for private school. A small price to pay to escape the whackos - and I'm talking to all of you.


No we're not all like this! I think she's crazy too!

There may be fewer crazies of this flavor the more you head to the east in MoCo.
Anonymous
Sorry. Unfortunately it took about 5 pages to convince her that her own data totally disproved her conspiracy theory.
Anonymous
New Poster:

Professor's Chamless findings in Florida are similar to the findings in Montgomery County regarding the widening achievement gap between Asian Americans and all the rest. I dare say this is true for most States in our Union.



Is it time to think about home schooling your child? from EDUCATION NEWS
Posted by or from a variety of publications on EducationViews.org on June 12, 2012 in Blogs, Daily | 0 Comment
By Jack A. Chambless - For the past 21 years I have taught economics to more than 14,000 college students here in Central Florida.
During that time I have made a concerted effort to glean information from my Valencia students as to their educational background preceding their arrival in college.
Drawing from a sample size this large multiplied by two decades multiplied by hundreds of thousands of test answers has put me in a good position to offer the following advice to any reader of this paper with children in Florida’s K-12 public schools.
Get them out now before you ruin their life. While this may seem to be a bit harsh, let’s look at the facts.
First, my best students every year are in order — Chinese, Eastern European, Indian and home-schooled Americans, and it is not even close when comparing this group to American public-school kids.
Since it is highly unlikely that any of you plan to move to Beijing, Warsaw or Bangalore, you might want to look at the facts concerning public vs. home-schooled American students.

(In Florida, more than 60,000 students in about 42,000 families study in home education programs, which meet the requirement for regular school attendance and were protected under state law in 1985.)
All of us have seen or heard about the annual disaster that is called FCAT results. Thanks to government officials in Washington, D.C. and Tallahassee, kids in government-run schools are failing miserably in a wide range of subjects while teachers face bureaucratic nightmares that strip them of their status as professionals and relegate them to servants of standardized testing.
It is also a fact of public education that incidents of bullying, teacher-student sexual misconduct, abusive behavior by teachers and incessant protection of poor teachers by education unions have put students in public schools in the unenviable position of dealing with issues that no learning environment should impose on them.
Moreover, the public education system in Florida and other states is one of the worst forms of monopoly power.




THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

Anonymous
more from Professor Chambless


...Everywhere in our lives as citizens we have free consumer choice as to where we shop for food, clothes, cellphones and more. However, if you are economically disadvantaged you rarely have this choice in education.
Poorer families in Florida are instead given the school district that their children are forced to attend. Rather than give poor parents choices so that competitive pressure is imposed on public education, we have lower- income families — mostly minorities — who are condemned to 13 years of inferior education just because they live in the wrong zip code.
Everywhere in America where vouchers or other forms of school choice exists, we see competition forcing the unionized public schools to adapt, or lose students.
This used to be the case in Florida, but those options are now lower than in past years and the victims show up in my classes woefully unprepared for challenging college course work.
It is routine that students from Florida’s worst high schools make failing grades in college. These kids have been lied to by a system that tells them that a diploma from an “F” school will not impact them in college.
Meanwhile, the more than 2 million home-schooled kids around America (my two sons included) routinely appear in America’s colleges with an education that prepares them for virtually anything.
The home-education movement has unleashed the forces of capitalism in such a way that anyone can find dozens of types of curricula for any grade level to help educate their kids in areas where one might not be an expert.
Home-school conventions like the one coming at the end of this month in Orlando offer thousands of options and professional speakers who can help guide willing parents through their child’s formative years.
The home-schooled kids who show up in my classes usually arrive at the age of 16 or 17, score in the high 90?s on their exams and then go off to places like Harvard, Penn and other world-class universities.
Jack A. Chambless is an economics professor at Valencia College. via My Word: Jack Chambless Is it time to think about home schooling your child? – Orlando Sentinel.
Anonymous
An in MCPS the old guard is taking away the choice for our children to advance by eliminating pathways.
Anonymous
Starr put out 15 Tweets during today's BOE meeting.


He stopped after this Tweet when he repeated what he had said at the meeting: "If you can Google it, do you need to teach it?"

I wonder of Mr. Starr is reading Professor Chambliss.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:New Poster:

Professor's Chamless findings in Florida are similar to the findings in Montgomery County regarding the widening achievement gap between Asian Americans and all the rest. I dare say this is true for most States in our Union.



Is it time to think about home schooling your child? from EDUCATION NEWS
Posted by or from a variety of publications on EducationViews.org on June 12, 2012 in Blogs, Daily | 0 Comment
By Jack A. Chambless - For the past 21 years I have taught economics to more than 14,000 college students here in Central Florida.
During that time I have made a concerted effort to glean information from my Valencia students as to their educational background preceding their arrival in college.
Drawing from a sample size this large multiplied by two decades multiplied by hundreds of thousands of test answers has put me in a good position to offer the following advice to any reader of this paper with children in Florida’s K-12 public schools.
Get them out now before you ruin their life. While this may seem to be a bit harsh, let’s look at the facts.
First, my best students every year are in order — Chinese, Eastern European, Indian and home-schooled Americans, and it is not even close when comparing this group to American public-school kids.
Since it is highly unlikely that any of you plan to move to Beijing, Warsaw or Bangalore, you might want to look at the facts concerning public vs. home-schooled American students.

(In Florida, more than 60,000 students in about 42,000 families study in home education programs, which meet the requirement for regular school attendance and were protected under state law in 1985.)
All of us have seen or heard about the annual disaster that is called FCAT results. Thanks to government officials in Washington, D.C. and Tallahassee, kids in government-run schools are failing miserably in a wide range of subjects while teachers face bureaucratic nightmares that strip them of their status as professionals and relegate them to servants of standardized testing.
It is also a fact of public education that incidents of bullying, teacher-student sexual misconduct, abusive behavior by teachers and incessant protection of poor teachers by education unions have put students in public schools in the unenviable position of dealing with issues that no learning environment should impose on them.
Moreover, the public education system in Florida and other states is one of the worst forms of monopoly power.




THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU



Er not exactly.... if the argument is that the American school system is what is failing the children of Asian/Eastern European implants will also be brought up in the failed system. Hence the argument in an earlier post that any advantage Asian immigrants have will diminish over time.

By the way, homeschooling isn't exactly big in China and India....
Anonymous
Everywhere in our lives as citizens we have free consumer choice as to where we shop for food, clothes, cellphones and more. However, if you are economically disadvantaged you rarely have this choice in education.
Poorer families in Florida are instead given the school district that their children are forced to attend. Rather than give poor parents choices so that competitive pressure is imposed on public education, we have lower- income families — mostly minorities — who are condemned to 13 years of inferior education just because they live in the wrong zip code.
Everywhere in America where vouchers or other forms of school choice exists, we see competition forcing the unionized public schools to adapt, or lose students.
This used to be the case in Florida, but those options are now lower than in past years and the victims show up in my classes woefully unprepared for challenging college course work.
It is routine that students from Florida’s worst high schools make failing grades in college. These kids have been lied to by a system that tells them that a diploma from an “F” school will not impact them in college.
Meanwhile, the more than 2 million home-schooled kids around America (my two sons included) routinely appear in America’s colleges with an education that prepares them for virtually anything.
The home-education movement has unleashed the forces of capitalism in such a way that anyone can find dozens of types of curricula for any grade level to help educate their kids in areas where one might not be an expert.
Home-school conventions like the one coming at the end of this month in Orlando offer thousands of options and professional speakers who can help guide willing parents through their child’s formative years.
The home-schooled kids who show up in my classes usually arrive at the age of 16 or 17, score in the high 90?s on their exams and then go off to places like Harvard, Penn and other world-class universities.
Jack A. Chambless is an economics professor at Valencia College. via My Word: Jack Chambless Is it time to think about home schooling your child? – Orlando Sentinel.



Is the zip code issue a problem in MCPS? How does eliminating math pathways address this? Or does the elimination of math pathways address the zip code issue and restore social justice?

By the way, I agree with those acknowledging a widening achievement gap between Asian Americans and all the rest in the County. It's true in my classroom circuits.
Anonymous
Dear crazy one: you seem to have forgotten this. So I'll repost.

Anonymous wrote:

According to the poster at 16:00, there are 20,949 Asian kids in Moco (she used your own demographic numbers, that Asian students represent 14.3% of Moco's 146,497 students in the system.)

Do you know what this means?

113% of Moco's 20,949 Asian students would have to be in advanced math to equal the 23,697 white students in advanced math. That's right, 113% of Asian students. There are more white kids in advanced math in MoCo than there are Asian kids at any level of math in Moco.

You tell us: can the achievement gap between asian and white students ever widen so much that 113% of Asian students are in advanced math?
Anonymous
Dear crazy one: you seem to have forgotten this. So I'll repost.

Anonymous wrote:


According to the poster at 16:00, there are 20,949 Asian kids in Moco (she used your own demographic numbers, that Asian students represent 14.3% of Moco's 146,497 students in the system.)

Do you know what this means?

113% of Moco's 20,949 Asian students would have to be in advanced math to equal the 23,697 white students in advanced math. That's right, 113% of Asian students. There are more white kids in advanced math in MoCo than there are Asian kids at any level of math in Moco.

You tell us: can the achievement gap between asian and white students ever widen so much that 113% of Asian students are in advanced math?


You can repost until the cows come home. Is this citation here from the school of garbage in and garbage out or Warner's Comic Book Academy? This is utter garbage. One of the posters suggested to simply ask your children in the County. There'll give you a more credible answer.
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