Without affirmative action, elite colleges are prioritizing economic diversity in admissions

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Anonymous wrote:From my kid's experience, this has had mixed effects on campus. He attended a top 10 boarding school and now attends any Ivy-adjacent college. He's breezing through due to the rigorous preparation he received, but he notices many of the lower-income students that were admitted on their "story" are struggling and tend to have to switch out of the STEM subjects.

His freshman chemistry class in college is basically the same as his high school class. The calc class is actually easier. Some of his FGLI peers are really struggling in these courses.

Many come in less prepared but most catch up. The benefits outweigh the downsides overall.

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What is an “ Ivy-adjacent college”?

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Anonymous wrote:From my kid's experience, this has had mixed effects on campus. He attended a top 10 boarding school and now attends any Ivy-adjacent college. He's breezing through due to the rigorous preparation he received, but he notices many of the lower-income students that were admitted on their "story" are struggling and tend to have to switch out of the STEM subjects.

His freshman chemistry class in college is basically the same as his high school class. The calc class is actually easier. Some of his FGLI peers are really struggling in these courses.

The top public and private schools should be the feeders to the top schools, it makes sense

their are public colleges, where students can learn at a slower pace

Are you saying that smart kids who are less prepared should be denied in favor of kids with better opportunities due to circumstances? They are admitted on their potential, not their “story”.

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Anonymous wrote:What is an “ Ivy-adjacent college”?

A coping mechanism

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Anonymous wrote:From my kid's experience, this has had mixed effects on campus. He attended a top 10 boarding school and now attends any Ivy-adjacent college. He's breezing through due to the rigorous preparation he received, but he notices many of the lower-income students that were admitted on their "story" are struggling and tend to have to switch out of the STEM subjects.

His freshman chemistry class in college is basically the same as his high school class. The calc class is actually easier. Some of his FGLI peers are really struggling in these courses.

Your kid seems to have a pretty big attachment to all his peers’ backgrounds and high school opportunities.

Most of the poor kids at these schools come from similar schools as your own child- surprise surprise, but ivies still are taking these kids from magnet programs, boarding schools, and other highly regarded public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:From my kid's experience, this has had mixed effects on campus. He attended a top 10 boarding school and now attends any Ivy-adjacent college. He's breezing through due to the rigorous preparation he received, but he notices many of the lower-income students that were admitted on their "story" are struggling and tend to have to switch out of the STEM subjects.

His freshman chemistry class in college is basically the same as his high school class. The calc class is actually easier. Some of his FGLI peers are really struggling in these courses.

The top public and private schools should be the feeders to the top schools, it makes sense

their are public colleges, where students can learn at a slower pace

Are you saying that smart kids who are less prepared should be denied in favor of kids with better opportunities due to circumstances? They are admitted on their potential, not their “story”.

i would make an exception for gifted programs at average or bad schools, but there should be an effort to get gifted students in top schools, even if the state has to provide travel resources, but we should not be letting kids in top colleges because they have a sob story or because they are low income

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Anonymous wrote:From my kid's experience, this has had mixed effects on campus. He attended a top 10 boarding school and now attends any Ivy-adjacent college. He's breezing through due to the rigorous preparation he received, but he notices many of the lower-income students that were admitted on their "story" are struggling and tend to have to switch out of the STEM subjects.

His freshman chemistry class in college is basically the same as his high school class. The calc class is actually easier. Some of his FGLI peers are really struggling in these courses.

The top public and private schools should be the feeders to the top schools, it makes sense

their are public colleges, where students can learn at a slower pace

Are you saying that smart kids who are less prepared should be denied in favor of kids with better opportunities due to circumstances? They are admitted on their potential, not their “story”.

i would make an exception for gifted programs at average or bad schools, but there should be an effort to get gifted students in top schools, even if the state has to provide travel resources, but we should not be letting kids in top colleges because they have a sob story or because they are low income

exactly, UMD - College Park is a great school for the average kid

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Anonymous wrote:From my kid's experience, this has had mixed effects on campus. He attended a top 10 boarding school and now attends any Ivy-adjacent college. He's breezing through due to the rigorous preparation he received, but he notices many of the lower-income students that were admitted on their "story" are struggling and tend to have to switch out of the STEM subjects.

His freshman chemistry class in college is basically the same as his high school class. The calc class is actually easier. Some of his FGLI peers are really struggling in these courses.

The top public and private schools should be the feeders to the top schools, it makes sense

their are public colleges, where students can learn at a slower pace

Are you saying that smart kids who are less prepared should be denied in favor of kids with better opportunities due to circumstances? They are admitted on their potential, not their “story”.

i would make an exception for gifted programs at average or bad schools, but there should be an effort to get gifted students in top schools, even if the state has to provide travel resources, but we should not be letting kids in top colleges because they have a sob story or because they are low income

Actually these top colleges are private institutions. They should be admitting whomever they please, not whom you prefer.

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Anonymous wrote:From my kid's experience, this has had mixed effects on campus. He attended a top 10 boarding school and now attends any Ivy-adjacent college. He's breezing through due to the rigorous preparation he received, but he notices many of the lower-income students that were admitted on their "story" are struggling and tend to have to switch out of the STEM subjects.

His freshman chemistry class in college is basically the same as his high school class. The calc class is actually easier. Some of his FGLI peers are really struggling in these courses.

The top public and private schools should be the feeders to the top schools, it makes sense

their are public colleges, where students can learn at a slower pace

Are you saying that smart kids who are less prepared should be denied in favor of kids with better opportunities due to circumstances? They are admitted on their potential, not their “story”.

i would make an exception for gifted programs at average or bad schools, but there should be an effort to get gifted students in top schools, even if the state has to provide travel resources, but we should not be letting kids in top colleges because they have a sob story or because they are low income

Except no one is accepting sob stories into top schools. You still need strong stats.

This screams “I hate poor people.”

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Anonymous wrote:From my kid's experience, this has had mixed effects on campus. He attended a top 10 boarding school and now attends any Ivy-adjacent college. He's breezing through due to the rigorous preparation he received, but he notices many of the lower-income students that were admitted on their "story" are struggling and tend to have to switch out of the STEM subjects.

His freshman chemistry class in college is basically the same as his high school class. The calc class is actually easier. Some of his FGLI peers are really struggling in these courses.

Your kid seems to have a pretty big attachment to all his peers’ backgrounds and high school opportunities.

Most of the poor kids at these schools come from similar schools as your own child- surprise surprise, but ivies still are taking these kids from magnet programs, boarding schools, and other highly regarded public schools.

+1, DD’s roommate is a FGLI student…from Choate. The head of the fli club at her college is a Philips Exeter alum.

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Anonymous wrote:If they prioritize economic diversity over race black / Hispanic numbers return to pre affirmative action while increasing the Asian numbers to 50%, but the white numbers take a 12% hit, it this happens Blum will say universities are using economics as a proxy for race to discriminate against whites

The reason they never wanted to do income based affirmative action is because the majority of smart poor kids are rural whites. Those are the absolute last group of people that college administrators want to help.

It gave us JD Vance.

He went to Ohio State on the GI Bill, did really well there, & got in Yale Law based on grades & LSAT. Where was the Affirmative Action?

I say this as a military spouse (and both of us are lawyers), there’s absolutely AA in law school for veterans.

I don’t consider it affirmative action. Veterans absolutely have a special set of skills and work ethic earned and learned from their time in the service and that is taken into consideration for acceptance.

Veterans preferences are usually considred "earned preferences" If you kid is getting a preference because youa re a veteran, that is an unearned preference.

I’m not aware of any schools that give preference because a parent is a veteran. Even the service academies don’t give a boost for this

I'm just trying to establish the difference between an earned and an unearned preference. Replace veteran status with legacy status

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Anonymous wrote:Howard University, which is a federal charactered school should be given a 30 billion dollar endowment

Why?

And by who?

By the federal government, since it’s a federal chartered school

There are several universities which are congressionally-chartered, due to their location within District of Columbia. These include:

American University,
Gallaudet University,
Georgetown University,
Howard University, and
George Washington University.

Should the federal government hand each of them $30 billion?

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Anonymous wrote:Meritocracy is dead

The idea that merit is defined by test scores is boring.

The truth is often boring.

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Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

Can always tell when the Asian grinder steps up.

Using "grinder" as a derogatory term pretty much sums up why your community is declining.

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Anonymous wrote:Howard University, which is a federal charactered school should be given a 30 billion dollar endowment

Why?

And by who?

By the federal government, since it’s a federal chartered school

HBCU produce outsized gains in black professionals, would white america support 100 billion to the entire HBCU system?

Does “black America” support policies with outsized gains for white Americans living in poverty? I don’t think tribal framing like this is helping anyone.

Without substantial help, instead of the status quo of marginal help to the black community, nothing will change and the black community will be poor until the end of time

There always has been substantial help given for many decades now- not much has changed

That’s because of the Hart Cellar Act, which forc d black America to compete with the best and brightest from the 3rd world

As opposed to only competing with white immigrants? The hart Cellar act removed racial quotas on immigration.