The end of higher ed Diversity

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Very happy that this thread moved from weird racism to cultural conversation. With schools getting as low as 2% black, it’s difficult to imagine though why most high achieving black students would be interested in the social environment.

But that’s based on a false, and somewhat racist premise you posited:

“Black students are only interested in socializing with other Black students at a university” ??

I don't know if the black students at my ivy were only interested in socializing with each other, but many of them were primarily interested in socializing with each other. The non strawman version of the premise might be racist, but it is not false.

This is not unique to black students of course. If black students are not interested in schools that are only 2% black, where is the line for white people? Lots of white flight data to suggest white people want an environment that is wayyyyy whiter than 2% white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very happy that this thread moved from weird racism to cultural conversation. With schools getting as low as 2% black, it’s difficult to imagine though why most high achieving black students would be interested in the social environment.

But that’s based on a false, and somewhat racist premise you posited:

“Black students are only interested in socializing with other Black students at a university” ??

I don't know if the black students at my ivy were only interested in socializing with each other, but many of them were primarily interested in socializing with each other. The non strawman version of the premise might be racist, but it is not false.

This is not unique to black students of course. If black students are not interested in schools that are only 2% black, where is the line for white people? Lots of white flight data to suggest white people want an environment that is wayyyyy whiter than 2% white.

Vote with your feet, not your mouth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ready for the incoming decade of no black representation. We seriously need to de racialize education. It’s embarrassing that we still have such intense segregation.

We need to fix k12 education but that is going in the opposite direction with the current administration. The former one wasn’t any better either.

Urban public k-12 has been almost completely in the hands of Democrats for the past 50 years. If it’s substandard, Democrats are responsible.

Despite thousands of research studies done by university professors, urban public k-12 results are getting WORSE. Yet university researchers & Democrat leaders in cities remain convinced they are on the right track. They scoff at any Republican who dares offer suggestions.

This is a national disgrace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ready for the incoming decade of no black representation. We seriously need to de racialize education. It’s embarrassing that we still have such intense segregation.

We need to fix k12 education but that is going in the opposite direction with the current administration. The former one wasn’t any better either.

Urban public k-12 has been almost completely in the hands of Democrats for the past 50 years. If it’s substandard, Democrats are responsible.

Despite thousands of research studies done by university professors, urban public k-12 results are getting WORSE. Yet university researchers & Democrat leaders in cities remain convinced they are on the right track. They scoff at any Republican who dares offer suggestions.

This is a national disgrace.

They’re in the right track for more power. They don’t give a shit about kids education, like at all. It’ll be so naive to believe they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ready for the incoming decade of no black representation. We seriously need to de racialize education. It’s embarrassing that we still have such intense segregation.

We need to fix k12 education but that is going in the opposite direction with the current administration. The former one wasn’t any better either.

Urban public k-12 has been almost completely in the hands of Democrats for the past 50 years. If it’s substandard, Democrats are responsible.

Despite thousands of research studies done by university professors, urban public k-12 results are getting WORSE. Yet university researchers & Democrat leaders in cities remain convinced they are on the right track. They scoff at any Republican who dares offer suggestions.

This is a national disgrace.

They’re in the right track for more power. They don’t give a shit about kids education, like at all. It’ll be so naive to believe they do.

Actually the more poorly educated the kids, the easier they can brainwash them and gain more power. Just look at DCUM to see what this country has become. It’s hopeless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very happy that this thread moved from weird racism to cultural conversation. With schools getting as low as 2% black, it’s difficult to imagine though why most high achieving black students would be interested in the social environment.

But that’s based on a false, and somewhat racist premise you posited:

“Black students are only interested in socializing with other Black students at a university” ??

I don't know if the black students at my ivy were only interested in socializing with each other, but many of them were primarily interested in socializing with each other. The non strawman version of the premise might be racist, but it is not false.

This is not unique to black students of course. If black students are not interested in schools that are only 2% black, where is the line for white people? Lots of white flight data to suggest white people want an environment that is wayyyyy whiter than 2% white.

Most people (of all skin tones) do not enjoy the experience of multiculturalism. Revealed preferences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

Why are poor students more "worthy" than Black students. Both have experienced obstacles.

Rich kids, regardless of color, have access to better schools, more extracurricular activities, test prep….and the very significant factor educated and involved parents. Poor kids have none of that and we are trying to equal the playing field so that we move families out of generational poverty. I’m surprised you aren’t able to figure this one out yourself.

So you're punishing students with involved and educated parents?!? Kids have no control over who they were born to. That's even worse than race based admissions. You're punishing students for the very thing you'd like everyone to have.

I think the solution is way different than this. Let's focus on making parents be involved and educated. Busing kids around to equalize schools within a county. I'm in a heavily residential area with 4 elementary schools within a few miles. 2 of them are 9 or 10 on great schools, 1 is failing with a 2 and the other is a 5. The scores are basically how many single family homes and townhouses are in a school's boundaries. The failing school had a massive apartment complex open and that crashed their school. All of those kids are bussed to the failing school, so why can't some of them be bused 2 blocks more to an excellent school? We let school fail so badly that they become cesspools where no one learns.

No one is “punishing black kids for having educated, involved parents” FFS. Someone asked why rich black kids shouldn’t get Ivy preference and this is the answer. A rich is a rich kid is a rich kid. Doesn’t matter what color.
And it’s crazy that you are acting like black kids can’t make up a sizable portion of FIGLI or poor kids. They aren’t just looking for first gen immigrants - they are looking for poor kids. And last I checked, 74% of Black Americans didn’t have degrees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very happy that this thread moved from weird racism to cultural conversation. With schools getting as low as 2% black, it’s difficult to imagine though why most high achieving black students would be interested in the social environment.

But that’s based on a false, and somewhat racist premise you posited:

“Black students are only interested in socializing with other Black students at a university” ??

I don't know if the black students at my ivy were only interested in socializing with each other, but many of them were primarily interested in socializing with each other. The non strawman version of the premise might be racist, but it is not false.

This is not unique to black students of course. If black students are not interested in schools that are only 2% black, where is the line for white people? Lots of white flight data to suggest white people want an environment that is wayyyyy whiter than 2% white.

Vote with your feet, not your mouth.

Gee, does the WSJ now publish an annual article about northern kids heading to southern flagships? Did one of the savviest authors in the college admissions space just publish a book about alternatives to Ivy+ schools? Of course none of this is overtly about white flight from predominantly Asian schools. Not in so many words.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ready for the incoming decade of no black representation. We seriously need to de racialize education. It’s embarrassing that we still have such intense segregation.

We need to fix k12 education but that is going in the opposite direction with the current administration. The former one wasn’t any better either.

Urban public k-12 has been almost completely in the hands of Democrats for the past 50 years. If it’s substandard, Democrats are responsible.

Despite thousands of research studies done by university professors, urban public k-12 results are getting WORSE. Yet university researchers & Democrat leaders in cities remain convinced they are on the right track. They scoff at any Republican who dares offer suggestions.

This is a national disgrace.

Many of the highest performing school districts, such as Palo Alto, are also run by Democrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ready for the incoming decade of no black representation. We seriously need to de racialize education. It’s embarrassing that we still have such intense segregation.

We need to fix k12 education but that is going in the opposite direction with the current administration. The former one wasn’t any better either.

Urban public k-12 has been almost completely in the hands of Democrats for the past 50 years. If it’s substandard, Democrats are responsible.

Despite thousands of research studies done by university professors, urban public k-12 results are getting WORSE. Yet university researchers & Democrat leaders in cities remain convinced they are on the right track. They scoff at any Republican who dares offer suggestions.

This is a national disgrace.

Many of the highest performing school districts, such as Palo Alto, are also run by Democrats.

run by tiger moms ... not by the school districts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ready for the incoming decade of no black representation. We seriously need to de racialize education. It’s embarrassing that we still have such intense segregation.

We need to fix k12 education but that is going in the opposite direction with the current administration. The former one wasn’t any better either.

Urban public k-12 has been almost completely in the hands of Democrats for the past 50 years. If it’s substandard, Democrats are responsible.

Despite thousands of research studies done by university professors, urban public k-12 results are getting WORSE. Yet university researchers & Democrat leaders in cities remain convinced they are on the right track. They scoff at any Republican who dares offer suggestions.

This is a national disgrace.

Many of the highest performing school districts, such as Palo Alto, are also run by Democrats.

School performance is largely determined by demographics. It’s not a pc thing to say but it’s true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ready for the incoming decade of no black representation. We seriously need to de racialize education. It’s embarrassing that we still have such intense segregation.

We need to fix k12 education but that is going in the opposite direction with the current administration. The former one wasn’t any better either.

Urban public k-12 has been almost completely in the hands of Democrats for the past 50 years. If it’s substandard, Democrats are responsible.

Despite thousands of research studies done by university professors, urban public k-12 results are getting WORSE. Yet university researchers & Democrat leaders in cities remain convinced they are on the right track. They scoff at any Republican who dares offer suggestions.

This is a national disgrace.

Many of the highest performing school districts, such as Palo Alto, are also run by Democrats.

School performance is largely determined by demographics. It’s not a pc thing to say but it’s true.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ready for the incoming decade of no black representation. We seriously need to de racialize education. It’s embarrassing that we still have such intense segregation.

We need to fix k12 education but that is going in the opposite direction with the current administration. The former one wasn’t any better either.

Urban public k-12 has been almost completely in the hands of Democrats for the past 50 years. If it’s substandard, Democrats are responsible.

Despite thousands of research studies done by university professors, urban public k-12 results are getting WORSE. Yet university researchers & Democrat leaders in cities remain convinced they are on the right track. They scoff at any Republican who dares offer suggestions.

This is a national disgrace.

lol. Your whole argument is a lie. If it were true, red states would consistently rank higher in education metrics. Every one here knows the top states for education (born out by STANDARDIZED TESTING) are blue, blue and more blue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ready for the incoming decade of no black representation. We seriously need to de racialize education. It’s embarrassing that we still have such intense segregation.

We need to fix k12 education but that is going in the opposite direction with the current administration. The former one wasn’t any better either.

Urban public k-12 has been almost completely in the hands of Democrats for the past 50 years. If it’s substandard, Democrats are responsible.

Despite thousands of research studies done by university professors, urban public k-12 results are getting WORSE. Yet university researchers & Democrat leaders in cities remain convinced they are on the right track. They scoff at any Republican who dares offer suggestions.

This is a national disgrace.

Many of the highest performing school districts, such as Palo Alto, are also run by Democrats.

School performance is largely determined by demographics. It’s not a pc thing to say but it’s true.

it's wealth or SES, not necessarily race, though there is that component. And cultural.

Look at Stuy in NY. It's mostly Asian American students, and a high FARMs rate. Their parents scrimp and save to get tutors for their kids. They put a high priority on academics rather than sports. Also, not a PC thing to say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ready for the incoming decade of no black representation. We seriously need to de racialize education. It’s embarrassing that we still have such intense segregation.

We need to fix k12 education but that is going in the opposite direction with the current administration. The former one wasn’t any better either.

Urban public k-12 has been almost completely in the hands of Democrats for the past 50 years. If it’s substandard, Democrats are responsible.

Despite thousands of research studies done by university professors, urban public k-12 results are getting WORSE. Yet university researchers & Democrat leaders in cities remain convinced they are on the right track. They scoff at any Republican who dares offer suggestions.

This is a national disgrace.

Do you look at the urban public school districts doing well or just complain about the dems? School districts are run by school boards.