An insane surrogacy story

[Anonymous]

“Next, Bi iMessaged a photo of Leon’s corpse to Smith’s 7-year-old son’s iPad.”


That says everything anyone needs to know about Bi right there.

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Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

Are you Bi's publicist? This is so much nonsense.

What kind of a crappy publicist would state that her client is mentally unstable?!

No, I’m not her publicist. I’m just a random person who thought the article was interesting, so I dove a little deeper and read the complaint and the declarations, as well as all the exhibits.

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Anonymous wrote:It as also heartbreaking to read that the surrogate of the baby girl had complications and needed a hysterectomy after giving birth. The article mentioned an issue with the placenta which has DNA from the parents. Shouldn’t the biological parents health histories have to be disclosed to surrogates so they know the complete risk.

If a potential GC wants to know the medical history of the IPs, she can require that as a condition of entering into a surrogacy contract. IPs, of course, are free to decide that they'd rather go with a different GC. It is no one's business what a GC and IPs agree to in their private surrogacy contract.

This presumes that the surrogate even knows that these complications are a potential risk. These women generally are not medically savvy and are looking to earn money. This whole industry is predatory and should be outlawed. The only reason it hadn't been is because rich people reap the benefits.
Another interesting story is "Her Body, My Baby" which was in the NYT about 15 years ago. The woman wasn't overtly nuts like this one but there was still a big class differential that permeated the story.
I would carry a child for my sister or cousin who was unable to for free. I would not do it for some rich stranger who decided at 43 that she was ready to be a mother.

This line reeks of disdain for women who are mothers later in life. See the PP's remark about becoming trad Caths when an older woman has children a non-traditional way. Do you think we were all supposed to meet The One at 25 and be done with kids by 30?

Of Course not. Since time immemorial we have been dealing with this. If a working class woman marries late in life does she get to borrow another woman's uterus? Maybe she dreams of a baby too.
But that's only an option for you important people with the money to pay.

Rich people have more options in virtually every aspect of life. That doesn't make surrogacy wrong.

Should you be able to pay to get your name moved to the top of the list when you need an organ transplant?

Do you really think Steve Jobs waited as long as Joe Schmoe for his liver transplant?

Ah. So people who support surrogacy also support creation of an unregulated market for organ purchasing from poor people.

I mean, at least you people are consistent in your lack of ethics and morality.

And people who oppose surrogacy because a woman gets paid $50k to carry a baby often point to adoption where an agency gets paid $50k to do a basic background check and file a petition.

In both cases, you have a lower class woman who is sacrificing her body and taking on great suffering to build someone else’s family. At least the surrogate has some choice in whether she is pregnant for someone else or not. Plenty of women in red states don’t even have that choice. A fair number didn’t even choose to have sex. No one seems to think anything is “immoral” about that financial transaction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Next, Bi iMessaged a photo of Leon’s corpse to Smith’s 7-year-old son’s iPad.”


That says everything anyone needs to know about Bi right there.

She’s totally insane. If I were her psychiatrist I’d have a field day. I think the fact that it was her only male embryo completely broke her brain, given her lived experience of her dad leaving her mom once his mistress had a male heir… plus her Chinese heritage and the value she probably placed on having a son… plus her need to control everything in her life and this being one of the most important experiences in her life and her being unable to control the outcome (and feeling like she ceded control to someone who killed her child)… all leading her to depart from reality, civility, and appropriate grief processing.

If I were the surrogate, I’d consider suing the agency for placing me with someone who never should’ve been able to secure a surrogate without intense counseling beforehand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

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Bi is nuts, clearly. But the surrogate made choices that undoubtedly contributed to the child’s death. She had certain responsibilities under the contract and she disregarded them because she thought she could get away with it. Now that she’s been caught, she’s playing the victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

+1

Bi is nuts, clearly. But the surrogate made choices that undoubtedly contributed to the child’s death. She had certain responsibilities under the contract and she disregarded them because she thought she could get away with it. Now that she’s been caught, she’s playing the victim.

You clearly know nothing about stillbirth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

+1

Bi is nuts, clearly. But the surrogate made choices that undoubtedly contributed to the child’s death. She had certain responsibilities under the contract and she disregarded them because she thought she could get away with it. Now that she’s been caught, she’s playing the victim.

You clearly know nothing about stillbirth.

The surrogate LEFT THE HOSPITAL while she was supposed to be on bedrest following an apparent rupture of her membranes. Are you suggesting that did not contribute to the stillbirth?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

+1

Bi is nuts, clearly. But the surrogate made choices that undoubtedly contributed to the child’s death. She had certain responsibilities under the contract and she disregarded them because she thought she could get away with it. Now that she’s been caught, she’s playing the victim.

You clearly know nothing about stillbirth.

The surrogate LEFT THE HOSPITAL while she was supposed to be on bedrest following an apparent rupture of her membranes. Are you suggesting that did not contribute to the stillbirth?

No reasonable person would read that story and believe Cindy Bi's version of events.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

+1

Bi is nuts, clearly. But the surrogate made choices that undoubtedly contributed to the child’s death. She had certain responsibilities under the contract and she disregarded them because she thought she could get away with it. Now that she’s been caught, she’s playing the victim.

You clearly know nothing about stillbirth.

(DP). The autopsy report says that the specific etiology for the intrauterine fetal demise was not determined. Looking at the timeline, the surrogate snuck out of the hospital on 1/13 and was pulled over and cited for speeding. Unclear where she was going or what she was doing. On 1/14, she was diagnosed with placental abruption but didn’t let the intended parents know. SOC was to do continuous monitoring of fetus and it appears they didn’t do that here.

Care to rebut on the merits?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

+1

Bi is nuts, clearly. But the surrogate made choices that undoubtedly contributed to the child’s death. She had certain responsibilities under the contract and she disregarded them because she thought she could get away with it. Now that she’s been caught, she’s playing the victim.

You clearly know nothing about stillbirth.

The surrogate LEFT THE HOSPITAL while she was supposed to be on bedrest following an apparent rupture of her membranes. Are you suggesting that did not contribute to the stillbirth?

No reasonable person would read that story and believe Cindy Bi's version of events.

Surrogate got a speeding ticket while she was supposed to be in the hospital on bedrest, it’s public information….

Perhaps you believe Bi hacked the Virginia court records and doctored a speeding ticket charge?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the surrogate puts up a go fundme to get some legal representation to sue the pants off this vindictive psycho. I’m not a lawyer but harassment and defamation has definitely been done

I belong to several moms online groups and everyone wants to contribute. This is crazy abuse by a crazy person and the surrogate doesn't deserve one bit of this no matter how you feel about surrogacy.

Well, the article references how many surrogacy boards for IPs supported Bi, including in her harassment campaign, so I don’t think your sentiment is universal among parents who use surrogates.

Well it seems as if Bi only told her side of the story which was full of her paranoid assumptions and outright lies. What do you expect? I would hope that many of those people who supported Bi read the extensive article and realized she’s a predator.

Both parties signed an agreement with various confidentiality provisions. But Bi broke it within weeks and no one stood up for the GC.

GC didn't object.

Plus, confidentiality provisions exist to protect the IPs.

😳😳😳😳

I swear some of you are trying to make IPs look like the worst people possible on the planet.

This response shows a fundamental lack of understanding of basic contract law and is also incredibly morally and ethically wrong. Unbelievable.

What this article is doing as far as I am concerned is clarifying just how awful surrogacy and most IPs are. The entire practice should be banned. These people should not be parents.

[Anonymous]

I think Cindy Bi has a major personality or mood disorder, but I do find it concerning that the GC was supposed to be on bed rest at hospital under the baby was born. But she left the hospital — I will guess either her son or she felt bored and antsy, confirmed eith a speeding ticket, and it is true that she started bleeding next day.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the surrogate puts up a go fundme to get some legal representation to sue the pants off this vindictive psycho. I’m not a lawyer but harassment and defamation has definitely been done

I belong to several moms online groups and everyone wants to contribute. This is crazy abuse by a crazy person and the surrogate doesn't deserve one bit of this no matter how you feel about surrogacy.

Well, the article references how many surrogacy boards for IPs supported Bi, including in her harassment campaign, so I don’t think your sentiment is universal among parents who use surrogates.

Well it seems as if Bi only told her side of the story which was full of her paranoid assumptions and outright lies. What do you expect? I would hope that many of those people who supported Bi read the extensive article and realized she’s a predator.

Both parties signed an agreement with various confidentiality provisions. But Bi broke it within weeks and no one stood up for the GC.

GC didn't object.

Plus, confidentiality provisions exist to protect the IPs.

😳😳😳😳

I swear some of you are trying to make IPs look like the worst people possible on the planet.

This response shows a fundamental lack of understanding of basic contract law and is also incredibly morally and ethically wrong. Unbelievable.

What this article is doing as far as I am concerned is clarifying just how awful surrogacy and most IPs are. The entire practice should be banned. These people should not be parents.

And there you have it. The anti-surrogacy crowd has shown itself for what it is: a group of woman-haters who want to control when and how we have children.

[Anonymous]

The wired article was so one sided that I did a deeper dive.

The “corpse” photo is really just a knitted heart with the IP holding the baby’s hand. It’s not morbid at all.

The GC was irresponsible and did not follow medical advice.

I would have lost my mind too if my baby died because someone was too restless to stay in bed rest. She lied and said she was speeding “to get vitamins”. Really?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

Are you Bi's publicist? This is so much nonsense.

What kind of a crappy publicist would state that her client is mentally unstable?!

No, I’m not her publicist. I’m just a random person who thought the article was interesting, so I dove a little deeper and read the complaint and the declarations, as well as all the exhibits.

You're a racist a**hole and a malignant liar. Having a biracial child doesn't make you white trash, and there's zero information in the Wired article about the surrogate falsifying expenses and they clearly state there's no evidence that the surrogate was out partying with her boyfriend on NY Eve beyond Bi's accusation.