Michigan announces ED

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. Is Michigan eliminating EA?

If not, why would they be in any worse of a position with the high-stat kids?

I’ll use my DS as an example. He’s super high stats/rigor. His first choice is a private T10 and his second choice is Michigan. So he’s planning to ED at the private T10 and EA at Michigan (OOS).

If he gets in to the ED, he’ll pull the Michigan app. If he doesn’t, he’ll submit his other applications, and then decide among his admit in April.

How does Michigan’s decision to add ED make it more likely they’ll lose kids like my DS? He’s going to do exactly what he would have done if there was no ED, and they still have the same opportunity to accept/enroll him as they otherwise would have.

To me, this is actually an OPPORTUNITY for Michigan to snag more high status OOS kids in a more efficient way.

If Michigan were DS’s first choice, he’d be 100% thrill to apply ED - both to have the chance to lock it in by December (no no need to submit all the other applications) and more importantly because he’d want to show/prove to Michigan that they are indeed his first choice, not a back-up plan in case he doesn’t get into 5-10 other schools (which is a reasonable assumption to make given his stats.)

Mom of high stat/high rigor kid here in a neighboring state. My kid's plan was to EA to a few schools, including his first choice, Michigan. He could never ED Michigan as we need to see the final COA before committing. (The NPC, as I mentioned upthread, indicates we would probably receive a small grant to offset some of the tuition if accepted. 80k/year definitely not in our budget.) He received the email about ED today and says he will switch gears and do what your kid is doing: ED to a private that is need blind and meets 100 percent demonstrated need. Definitely not his first choice because it's a little closer to home and he'd prefer to be a few hours away.

For our family, it seems that Michigan will likely be off the table for him and that the priority will be wealthy OOS kids in ED and fewer seats left for barely-MC families like ours in EA. But I get why they'd do this. Better to lock in the high stat OOS and IS kids whose first choice is Michigan.

Also the kids who are gunning for Ivies and using Michigan as a back up likely won't ED to Michigan and then EA kids will also be competing with those kids. Thinking about the student at his school this year who swept all the top Ivies plus Stanford, was also admitted to UMich, which appeared to be their safety. This kid likely did REA to an Ivy, RD to the others, EA to Michigan.

What are you talking about? If Michigan does not give you the $ on the NPC in an ED admit, it is totally non-binding…

Not seeing that anywhere in the ED announcement? If you do, please share.

Some top private institutions are very clear that if the final cost of attendance doesn't work for an ED kid, that kid is not obligated to attend. No one expects this from an OOS public university. But, sure, we can throw in an EA application to Michigan and see if the NPC matches the reality.

[Anonymous]

Mom of 2025 freshman. They offered her a $21 grant OOS, which made it doable for us. Unusual for state schools, they look deep into financials, so I was surprised and DD was delighted.
Go Blue! It’s a good fit for her (pre med) and we can afford it now (no loans).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. Is Michigan eliminating EA?

If not, why would they be in any worse of a position with the high-stat kids?

I’ll use my DS as an example. He’s super high stats/rigor. His first choice is a private T10 and his second choice is Michigan. So he’s planning to ED at the private T10 and EA at Michigan (OOS).

If he gets in to the ED, he’ll pull the Michigan app. If he doesn’t, he’ll submit his other applications, and then decide among his admit in April.

How does Michigan’s decision to add ED make it more likely they’ll lose kids like my DS? He’s going to do exactly what he would have done if there was no ED, and they still have the same opportunity to accept/enroll him as they otherwise would have.

To me, this is actually an OPPORTUNITY for Michigan to snag more high status OOS kids in a more efficient way.

If Michigan were DS’s first choice, he’d be 100% thrill to apply ED - both to have the chance to lock it in by December (no no need to submit all the other applications) and more importantly because he’d want to show/prove to Michigan that they are indeed his first choice, not a back-up plan in case he doesn’t get into 5-10 other schools (which is a reasonable assumption to make given his stats.)

Mom of high stat/high rigor kid here in a neighboring state. My kid's plan was to EA to a few schools, including his first choice, Michigan. He could never ED Michigan as we need to see the final COA before committing. (The NPC, as I mentioned upthread, indicates we would probably receive a small grant to offset some of the tuition if accepted. 80k/year definitely not in our budget.) He received the email about ED today and says he will switch gears and do what your kid is doing: ED to a private that is need blind and meets 100 percent demonstrated need. Definitely not his first choice because it's a little closer to home and he'd prefer to be a few hours away.

For our family, it seems that Michigan will likely be off the table for him and that the priority will be wealthy OOS kids in ED and fewer seats left for barely-MC families like ours in EA. But I get why they'd do this. Better to lock in the high stat OOS and IS kids whose first choice is Michigan.

Also the kids who are gunning for Ivies and using Michigan as a back up likely won't ED to Michigan and then EA kids will also be competing with those kids. Thinking about the student at his school this year who swept all the top Ivies plus Stanford, was also admitted to UMich, which appeared to be their safety. This kid likely did REA to an Ivy, RD to the others, EA to Michigan.

What are you talking about? If Michigan does not give you the $ on the NPC in an ED admit, it is totally non-binding…

Not seeing that anywhere in the ED announcement? If you do, please share.

Some top private institutions are very clear that if the final cost of attendance doesn't work for an ED kid, that kid is not obligated to attend. No one expects this from an OOS public university. But, sure, we can throw in an EA application to Michigan and see if the NPC matches the reality.

Kids are never obligated to attend a ED school if the finances don’t work out but you can bet their school will be blacklisted in the future. School counselors really work to prevent this because it puts future students in a terrible situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many great, top of the class kids don’t get into Michigan right now who would be thrilled to go - this will help!

This. The kids that use Michigan as an Ivy/Ivy+ safety grab those early EA spots at our private school (they never end up attending 99% of the time) and the kids for whom it is a first choice are often WL. The WL kids may or may not get off the WL in May/June, but why not give them a chance to show that this is their first choice?

Agree. They should suss out who actually values going there rather thsn back up for Ivy Restricted Early that allows state schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. Is Michigan eliminating EA?

If not, why would they be in any worse of a position with the high-stat kids?

I’ll use my DS as an example. He’s super high stats/rigor. His first choice is a private T10 and his second choice is Michigan. So he’s planning to ED at the private T10 and EA at Michigan (OOS).

If he gets in to the ED, he’ll pull the Michigan app. If he doesn’t, he’ll submit his other applications, and then decide among his admit in April.

How does Michigan’s decision to add ED make it more likely they’ll lose kids like my DS? He’s going to do exactly what he would have done if there was no ED, and they still have the same opportunity to accept/enroll him as they otherwise would have.

To me, this is actually an OPPORTUNITY for Michigan to snag more high status OOS kids in a more efficient way.

If Michigan were DS’s first choice, he’d be 100% thrill to apply ED - both to have the chance to lock it in by December (no no need to submit all the other applications) and more importantly because he’d want to show/prove to Michigan that they are indeed his first choice, not a back-up plan in case he doesn’t get into 5-10 other schools (which is a reasonable assumption to make given his stats.)

Mom of high stat/high rigor kid here in a neighboring state. My kid's plan was to EA to a few schools, including his first choice, Michigan. He could never ED Michigan as we need to see the final COA before committing. (The NPC, as I mentioned upthread, indicates we would probably receive a small grant to offset some of the tuition if accepted. 80k/year definitely not in our budget.) He received the email about ED today and says he will switch gears and do what your kid is doing: ED to a private that is need blind and meets 100 percent demonstrated need. Definitely not his first choice because it's a little closer to home and he'd prefer to be a few hours away.

For our family, it seems that Michigan will likely be off the table for him and that the priority will be wealthy OOS kids in ED and fewer seats left for barely-MC families like ours in EA. But I get why they'd do this. Better to lock in the high stat OOS and IS kids whose first choice is Michigan.

Also the kids who are gunning for Ivies and using Michigan as a back up likely won't ED to Michigan and then EA kids will also be competing with those kids. Thinking about the student at his school this year who swept all the top Ivies plus Stanford, was also admitted to UMich, which appeared to be their safety. This kid likely did REA to an Ivy, RD to the others, EA to Michigan.

What are you talking about? If Michigan does not give you the $ on the NPC in an ED admit, it is totally non-binding…

Not seeing that anywhere in the ED announcement? If you do, please share.

Some top private institutions are very clear that if the final cost of attendance doesn't work for an ED kid, that kid is not obligated to attend. No one expects this from an OOS public university. But, sure, we can throw in an EA application to Michigan and see if the NPC matches the reality.

No, you can apply ED and not attend if the reality does not meet the NPC. An oos public university has nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. Is Michigan eliminating EA?

If not, why would they be in any worse of a position with the high-stat kids?

I’ll use my DS as an example. He’s super high stats/rigor. His first choice is a private T10 and his second choice is Michigan. So he’s planning to ED at the private T10 and EA at Michigan (OOS).

If he gets in to the ED, he’ll pull the Michigan app. If he doesn’t, he’ll submit his other applications, and then decide among his admit in April.

How does Michigan’s decision to add ED make it more likely they’ll lose kids like my DS? He’s going to do exactly what he would have done if there was no ED, and they still have the same opportunity to accept/enroll him as they otherwise would have.

To me, this is actually an OPPORTUNITY for Michigan to snag more high status OOS kids in a more efficient way.

If Michigan were DS’s first choice, he’d be 100% thrill to apply ED - both to have the chance to lock it in by December (no no need to submit all the other applications) and more importantly because he’d want to show/prove to Michigan that they are indeed his first choice, not a back-up plan in case he doesn’t get into 5-10 other schools (which is a reasonable assumption to make given his stats.)

Mom of high stat/high rigor kid here in a neighboring state. My kid's plan was to EA to a few schools, including his first choice, Michigan. He could never ED Michigan as we need to see the final COA before committing. (The NPC, as I mentioned upthread, indicates we would probably receive a small grant to offset some of the tuition if accepted. 80k/year definitely not in our budget.) He received the email about ED today and says he will switch gears and do what your kid is doing: ED to a private that is need blind and meets 100 percent demonstrated need. Definitely not his first choice because it's a little closer to home and he'd prefer to be a few hours away.

For our family, it seems that Michigan will likely be off the table for him and that the priority will be wealthy OOS kids in ED and fewer seats left for barely-MC families like ours in EA. But I get why they'd do this. Better to lock in the high stat OOS and IS kids whose first choice is Michigan.

Also the kids who are gunning for Ivies and using Michigan as a back up likely won't ED to Michigan and then EA kids will also be competing with those kids. Thinking about the student at his school this year who swept all the top Ivies plus Stanford, was also admitted to UMich, which appeared to be their safety. This kid likely did REA to an Ivy, RD to the others, EA to Michigan.

What are you talking about? If Michigan does not give you the $ on the NPC in an ED admit, it is totally non-binding…

Not seeing that anywhere in the ED announcement? If you do, please share.

Some top private institutions are very clear that if the final cost of attendance doesn't work for an ED kid, that kid is not obligated to attend. No one expects this from an OOS public university. But, sure, we can throw in an EA application to Michigan and see if the NPC matches the reality.

Kids are never obligated to attend a ED school if the finances don’t work out but you can bet their school will be blacklisted in the future. School counselors really work to prevent this because it puts future students in a terrible situation.

No, if finances don’t work out, that is, if the school does not give what it says it will give on the NPC, no problem and no blacklist whatsoever. It is the school’s fault if they can’t deliver on the NPC (which informs a decision to apply ED in the first place) — not the student’s. Of course, you can’t half ass the NPC and leave stuff out…

The blacklist you are talking about is when a kid is admitted ED and just wants out, for no financial reason — and the school can’t do much about it because ED is not actual contractual. Then, and only then, will there conceivably be a blacklist.

[Anonymous]

Not surprising considering all of the financial problems Michigan is having.

Its yield this year was crazy and obviously not at all what was expected. The turmoil on campus and long range prospects didn't help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mom of 2025 freshman. They offered her a $21 grant OOS, which made it doable for us. Unusual for state schools, they look deep into financials, so I was surprised and DD was delighted.
Go Blue! It’s a good fit for her (pre med) and we can afford it now (no loans).

Why did you apply in the first place if you expected it to be unaffordable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not surprising considering all of the financial problems Michigan is having.

Its yield this year was crazy and obviously not at all what was expected. The turmoil on campus and long range prospects didn't help.

You're full of it.

The turmoil you cite was barely in evidence besides some performative camping out.

My kid had a great freshman year and is eager for fall classes to resume.

If you are not local and don't have an enrolled kid, you can't vouch for conditions on the ground for undergrads. You're just another generic hater.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"three institutions—USC, Penn, and Michigan—compete with each other on a regular basis."

I can see that she will now push her client ED UM.

Wharton is T5 level difficulty. Then there is Stern. Ross is on the same level as Caroll BC. Marshall mostly west coast presence.

Ross consistently ranks above Stern.

Stop. No one cares about that stupid US news ranking.

Wharton;
Dyson, Stern, Sloan;
McDonough, Hass;
Ross is below all above.

Most everyone cares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"three institutions—USC, Penn, and Michigan—compete with each other on a regular basis."

I can see that she will now push her client ED UM.

Wharton is T5 level difficulty. Then there is Stern. Ross is on the same level as Caroll BC. Marshall mostly west coast presence.

Ross consistently ranks above Stern.

Stop. No one cares about that stupid US news ranking.

Wharton;
Dyson, Stern, Sloan;
McDonough, Hass;
Ross is below all above.

Most everyone cares.

+100 PP just doesn’t like that Ross is ranked #4, so it is “stupid.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mom of 2025 freshman. They offered her a $21 grant OOS, which made it doable for us. Unusual for state schools, they look deep into financials, so I was surprised and DD was delighted.
Go Blue! It’s a good fit for her (pre med) and we can afford it now (no loans).

i think this is unusual. For others reading who have yet to apply: we are DC "middle class' and my child received some financial aid (this year) at 2 Ivies and several privates (and merit aid of about 50% at other publics--UGA, Pitt, Clemson, etc) but zero money at MI. We know a number of people in our relative income bracket and they had the same experience with MI. They pretty much expect OOS kids to be full pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mom of 2025 freshman. They offered her a $21 grant OOS, which made it doable for us. Unusual for state schools, they look deep into financials, so I was surprised and DD was delighted.
Go Blue! It’s a good fit for her (pre med) and we can afford it now (no loans).

i think this is unusual. For others reading who have yet to apply: we are DC "middle class' and my child received some financial aid (this year) at 2 Ivies and several privates (and merit aid of about 50% at other publics--UGA, Pitt, Clemson, etc) but zero money at MI. We know a number of people in our relative income bracket and they had the same experience with MI. They pretty much expect OOS kids to be full pay.

At the orientation day last summer, I met a dad from Florida who said his daughter was getting good merit aid. He was a doctor. I believe she was the 5th child however. He mentioned that a sibling or more had gone to Michigan. She was studying a science as an LSA admit. I don't know anything else about them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mom of 2025 freshman. They offered her a $21 grant OOS, which made it doable for us. Unusual for state schools, they look deep into financials, so I was surprised and DD was delighted.
Go Blue! It’s a good fit for her (pre med) and we can afford it now (no loans).

i think this is unusual. For others reading who have yet to apply: we are DC "middle class' and my child received some financial aid (this year) at 2 Ivies and several privates (and merit aid of about 50% at other publics--UGA, Pitt, Clemson, etc) but zero money at MI. We know a number of people in our relative income bracket and they had the same experience with MI. They pretty much expect OOS kids to be full pay.

At the orientation day last summer, I met a dad from Florida who said his daughter was getting good merit aid. He was a doctor. I believe she was the 5th child however. He mentioned that a sibling or more had gone to Michigan. She was studying a science as an LSA admit. I don't know anything else about them.

Michigan does give merit aid--about 40 scholarships. I know a kid who received one. But there are about 8000 freshmen so the odds are very long. Outside of these it's basically full pay for OOS unless you have significant need and even then it's not a given. There were many kids on Reddit this spring from truly middle class households who received full financial aid rides or close to it from Ivies and other top30s who weren't given a dime OOS from Michigan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"three institutions—USC, Penn, and Michigan—compete with each other on a regular basis."

I can see that she will now push her client ED UM.

Wharton is T5 level difficulty. Then there is Stern. Ross is on the same level as Caroll BC. Marshall mostly west coast presence.

Ross consistently ranks above Stern.

Stop. No one cares about that stupid US news ranking.

Wharton;
Dyson, Stern, Sloan;
McDonough, Hass;
Ross is below all above.

Most everyone cares.

+100 PP just doesn’t like that Ross is ranked #4, so it is “stupid.”

I just can't understand what's so good about this move.
A public school acting like a private one?
Trying to boost yield and perceived selectivity at the cost of accessibility?