If your child was TO or below 1400 on the SAT, how are they doing in college?
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Anonymous
There is no better predicter of college grades than standardized test scores. |
Anonymous
That was shown at Dartmouth and maybe some other Ivies, where presumably nearly all their students had near perfect grades in high school. I don’t think you can extrapolate to such a blanket statement, unless you have study? |
Anonymous
Wrong. At a minimum, it might predict first year success. As you know, it takes four years to graduate. 🙂 Four years of high school GPA is a better indicator per studies. AOs know this too. |
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The latest study reached three main conclusions. First, students with higher SAT and ACT scores also tend to achieve higher college GPAs. Second, high school GPAs are poor predictors of college GPAs. Lastly, students with similar standardized test scores also have similar college GPAs, even if they come from different socioeconomic backgrounds. |
Anonymous
https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2024/01/sat-act-scores-more-predictive-of-academic-success-at-ivy-plus-schools-than-high-school-grades-new-study-suggests" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2024/01/sat-act-scores-more-predictive-of-academic-success-at-ivy-plus-schools-than-high-school-grades-new-study-suggests Researchers also found that students who did not submit test scores had “relatively lower college GPAs” compared to those who did submit test scores. |
Anonymous
UMiami AO said on a recent webinar for our HS that they are reinstating mandatory testing for 2026 because their data shows those who submitted test scores consistently performed higher than those who did not. |
Anonymous
What GPA is necessary to graduate college? Once you're accepted to a highly selective college, based on established graduation rates, the chances of graduating college is high. Employers rarely look a GPAs post college graduation. Good grad schools will take 3.0 and higher GPAs. The mandatory SAT/ACT purists want to use the tests as a gatekeeper at the college admissions level. There are too many institutional priorities for that to happen. And for all of the faux wrangling over academic performance IN college, no one cares after the college acceptance letter comes in. This DCUM forum is geared towards admissions - not post admissions matriculation. This aside, there are enough 1500+/34+ scorers to meet the arbitrary threshold for T50 or so schools. And TO isn't going away. |
Anonymous
| UChicago over Princeton |
Anonymous
bullsh!t! |
Anonymous
Adding Boston College AO said they are technically TO, but 75% of the recent admits submitted test scores so they are really more “test preferred”. |
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Next year five more colleges return to test required.
CMU, JHU, Stanford, UPenn, and Cornell. Rice is still technically TO, but is test recommended. |
Anonymous
What are CMU and JHU? |
Anonymous
| My son got a 1350 on the SAT (single setting). Didn't have more time to prep/improve due to other conflicts so he applied test optional and had a great freshman year at Duke! |
Anonymous
Great. T25 Most applicants will get rejected from those schools - even with required test scores. |
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Colleges evaluate students in the context of high school. Not in the context of tens of thousands of applicants.
Test required vs test optional is extremely meaningful for top students in a SINGLE high school. UPenn for example admits five students from one high school each year. When it’s test optional, 4 out of five admits are dei admits with scores as low as 1300. When it’s test required, low scorers don’t even apply to UPenn, students with 1550 score applied. |