Do you want Texas's school voucher program in DC or DMV?

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Anonymous wrote:The OP asks about vouchers in DC or the DMV. Would there be enough vouchers and spaces in private schools for all 50k kids in DCPS? Or the other 47k in DCPCS? Shouldn’t all the families have a choice?

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Anyone in favor of vouchers want to field this one?

Where there are not enough private schools, who of the 50k students gets a voucher? Who decides?

The vast majority of those parents don’t give a crap about their kids and aren’t raising them properly and wouldn’t bother to fill in the paperwork to get them into a private school, let alone enforce the discipline standards, make sure they do their homework, etc. If everyone was a good parent then we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

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The answer is that you won’t need to find anywhere close to 50k places.

Let’s say 15k. Show me where those fifteen thousand private school seats are in DC. Go ahead.

Catholic schools are about $10-15k for k-8, and $20-25k for high school.

Yep, and those prices will rise by the amount of the voucher. This is what happened with government subsidized loans for college. It just causes inflation. Simple economics.

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I’m not buying the tuition inflation argument. There are charter schools that make do with less money than private schools. My child is in one. The public district hates it and they always try to make their life harder.

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Anonymous wrote:If schools accepts vouchers then they can't kick out students and need to provide IEP etc services. Non public schools choose their students. So the ones that need the most help are then back in underfunded public schools.

Public schools aren’t underfunded, they just use the money badly. Take computers out of schools and actually try teaching kids, for one.

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Texas ranks 47th in student spending.

The states who pay over $20k per student have the highest test scores

The underfunded are states like Oklahoma, South Carolina, Florida, Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas typically have poor test results.

The Texas vouchers will benefit Christian Schools. It’s only $10k so it won’t cover the better quality private schools. Only 20% of the voucher will go to families with income up to $160k. Low income and special needs have priority.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not buying the tuition inflation argument. There are charter schools that make do with less money than private schools. My child is in one. The public district hates it and they always try to make their life harder.

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The “tuition inflation” is a specious argument trotted out by the teachers unions.

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Anonymous wrote:The OP asks about vouchers in DC or the DMV. Would there be enough vouchers and spaces in private schools for all 50k kids in DCPS? Or the other 47k in DCPCS? Shouldn’t all the families have a choice?

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Anyone in favor of vouchers want to field this one?

Where there are not enough private schools, who of the 50k students gets a voucher? Who decides?

The vast majority of those parents don’t give a crap about their kids and aren’t raising them properly and wouldn’t bother to fill in the paperwork to get them into a private school, let alone enforce the discipline standards, make sure they do their homework, etc. If everyone was a good parent then we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

Not an answer.

The answer is that you won’t need to find anywhere close to 50k places.

Let’s say 15k. Show me where those fifteen thousand private school seats are in DC. Go ahead.

Catholic schools are about $10-15k for k-8, and $20-25k for high school.

No, fifteen thousand private school places, not tuition. And that’s not even counting the over 40k students in DCPCS schools.

There’s no market for it yet, but it’s conceivable that with vouchers, new private schools will serve the students some likely employing teachers and administrators from existing public schools.

Which kids get to attend?

The new schools would of course be non-profit, just like the private ones today. Kids that would go to public, will now have the option to attend these schools if they choose so.

Open admissions?

No, it wouldn't be open admissions.

Private schools would have the choice, not parents.

The PP said the parents have the choice. But it’s really private school admins? Anyone doing any oversight on how money is spent and how admissions decisions are made? Any requirements to admit and support students with special needs? ELL students? Recent immigrants? Poor kids?

“Oversight about how the money is spent” is what got us a layer of bureaucracy in our public school system where the paper pushers cost taxpayers more than the actual teachers do. No thanks. And having a classroom free of behavioral issues is one of the goals of the new schools parents are seeking. Since public schools call behavioral issues “special needs” these days, no, there won’t be requirements to admit and support special needs. It simply costs too much - financially and in terms of what it costs the other students in emotional impact and lost learning.

If you really cared about special needs then you would advocate for very strict behavioral requirements in classrooms so that parents didn’t need to make the difficult and sometimes expensive decision to abandon public schooling altogether so that their kids can have a safe and productive learning environment at school.

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Anonymous wrote:The OP asks about vouchers in DC or the DMV. Would there be enough vouchers and spaces in private schools for all 50k kids in DCPS? Or the other 47k in DCPCS? Shouldn’t all the families have a choice?

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Anyone in favor of vouchers want to field this one?

Where there are not enough private schools, who of the 50k students gets a voucher? Who decides?

The vast majority of those parents don’t give a crap about their kids and aren’t raising them properly and wouldn’t bother to fill in the paperwork to get them into a private school, let alone enforce the discipline standards, make sure they do their homework, etc. If everyone was a good parent then we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

Not an answer.

The answer is that you won’t need to find anywhere close to 50k places.

Let’s say 15k. Show me where those fifteen thousand private school seats are in DC. Go ahead.

Catholic schools are about $10-15k for k-8, and $20-25k for high school.

No, fifteen thousand private school places, not tuition. And that’s not even counting the over 40k students in DCPCS schools.

There’s no market for it yet, but it’s conceivable that with vouchers, new private schools will serve the students some likely employing teachers and administrators from existing public schools.

Which kids get to attend?

The new schools would of course be non-profit, just like the private ones today. Kids that would go to public, will now have the option to attend these schools if they choose so.

Open admissions?

No, it wouldn't be open admissions.

Private schools would have the choice, not parents.

The PP said the parents have the choice. But it’s really private school admins? Anyone doing any oversight on how money is spent and how admissions decisions are made? Any requirements to admit and support students with special needs? ELL students? Recent immigrants? Poor kids?

“Oversight about how the money is spent” is what got us a layer of bureaucracy in our public school system where the paper pushers cost taxpayers more than the actual teachers do. No thanks. And having a classroom free of behavioral issues is one of the goals of the new schools parents are seeking. Since public schools call behavioral issues “special needs” these days, no, there won’t be requirements to admit and support special needs. It simply costs too much - financially and in terms of what it costs the other students in emotional impact and lost learning.

If you really cared about special needs then you would advocate for very strict behavioral requirements in classrooms so that parents didn’t need to make the difficult and sometimes expensive decision to abandon public schooling altogether so that their kids can have a safe and productive learning environment at school.

That’s not how it works. You an ignorant dickwad trying to get taxpayers to subsidize your kids’ private school tuition.

No. GTFO.

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Any school administrators, board members, teachers etc care to weigh in as proponents of vouchers?

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I think I have an idea: vouchers will be $15,000. However, if you live in certain clusters, you won’t be eligible to receive one. Each cluster will be assigned a number—for example, the Walter Johnson cluster might be cluster 995. If someone from that cluster tries to apply, our system will automatically block the application.

Additionally, families living east of I-270 may receive prioritized application processing. Schools will continue to be labeled and receive less funding, but if a school cluster improves its conditions significantly, it can be reclassified as a cluster where vouchers are no longer allowed. In such cases, only those who were grandfathered in would be allowed to continue using vouchers. Once those students graduate, they must return to public school.
Please give your thoughts!

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Anonymous wrote:I think I have an idea: vouchers will be $15,000. However, if you live in certain clusters, you won’t be eligible to receive one. Each cluster will be assigned a number—for example, the Walter Johnson cluster might be cluster 995. If someone from that cluster tries to apply, our system will automatically block the application.

Additionally, families living east of I-270 may receive prioritized application processing. Schools will continue to be labeled and receive less funding, but if a school cluster improves its conditions significantly, it can be reclassified as a cluster where vouchers are no longer allowed. In such cases, only those who were grandfathered in would be allowed to continue using vouchers. Once those students graduate, they must return to public school.
Please give your thoughts!

So the kid living in an apartment in 995 with their grandparents and other extended family doesn’t get it? No, it should be income-based, starting from the bottom up. Poor kids first. Doubt so many private school parents would be so supportive of this system.

The basic problem is there aren’t enough good private school seats for all the students who would want to use a voucher. Then someone has to choose who gets the choice through the voucher system.

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Anonymous wrote:The OP asks about vouchers in DC or the DMV. Would there be enough vouchers and spaces in private schools for all 50k kids in DCPS? Or the other 47k in DCPCS? Shouldn’t all the families have a choice?

k

Anyone in favor of vouchers want to field this one?

Where there are not enough private schools, who of the 50k students gets a voucher? Who decides?

The vast majority of those parents don’t give a crap about their kids and aren’t raising them properly and wouldn’t bother to fill in the paperwork to get them into a private school, let alone enforce the discipline standards, make sure they do their homework, etc. If everyone was a good parent then we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

Not an answer.

The answer is that you won’t need to find anywhere close to 50k places.

Let’s say 15k. Show me where those fifteen thousand private school seats are in DC. Go ahead.

Catholic schools are about $10-15k for k-8, and $20-25k for high school.

No, fifteen thousand private school places, not tuition. And that’s not even counting the over 40k students in DCPCS schools.

There’s no market for it yet, but it’s conceivable that with vouchers, new private schools will serve the students some likely employing teachers and administrators from existing public schools.

Which kids get to attend?

The new schools would of course be non-profit, just like the private ones today. Kids that would go to public, will now have the option to attend these schools if they choose so.

Open admissions?

No, it wouldn't be open admissions.

Private schools would have the choice, not parents.

The PP said the parents have the choice. But it’s really private school admins? Anyone doing any oversight on how money is spent and how admissions decisions are made? Any requirements to admit and support students with special needs? ELL students? Recent immigrants? Poor kids?

“Oversight about how the money is spent” is what got us a layer of bureaucracy in our public school system where the paper pushers cost taxpayers more than the actual teachers do. No thanks. And having a classroom free of behavioral issues is one of the goals of the new schools parents are seeking. Since public schools call behavioral issues “special needs” these days, no, there won’t be requirements to admit and support special needs. It simply costs too much - financially and in terms of what it costs the other students in emotional impact and lost learning.

If you really cared about special needs then you would advocate for very strict behavioral requirements in classrooms so that parents didn’t need to make the difficult and sometimes expensive decision to abandon public schooling altogether so that their kids can have a safe and productive learning environment at school.

Lol. Most of these new parents have kids with behavioral problems. No one wants to admit that these days.

[Anonymous]

If you really want alternatives to your local public school then the DC charter school approach is sort of plausible. Vouchers are just an attempt by right wing billionaires to kill off public schools.

You can look it up- basically no one in Texas or Tenn supports vouchers at the local level it’s just being forced on them by state level politicans who get their money from dark money groups.

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Anonymous wrote:The OP asks about vouchers in DC or the DMV. Would there be enough vouchers and spaces in private schools for all 50k kids in DCPS? Or the other 47k in DCPCS? Shouldn’t all the families have a choice?

k

Anyone in favor of vouchers want to field this one?

Where there are not enough private schools, who of the 50k students gets a voucher? Who decides?

The vast majority of those parents don’t give a crap about their kids and aren’t raising them properly and wouldn’t bother to fill in the paperwork to get them into a private school, let alone enforce the discipline standards, make sure they do their homework, etc. If everyone was a good parent then we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

Not an answer.

The answer is that you won’t need to find anywhere close to 50k places.

Let’s say 15k. Show me where those fifteen thousand private school seats are in DC. Go ahead.

Catholic schools are about $10-15k for k-8, and $20-25k for high school.

No, fifteen thousand private school places, not tuition. And that’s not even counting the over 40k students in DCPCS schools.

There’s no market for it yet, but it’s conceivable that with vouchers, new private schools will serve the students some likely employing teachers and administrators from existing public schools.

Which kids get to attend?

The new schools would of course be non-profit, just like the private ones today. Kids that would go to public, will now have the option to attend these schools if they choose so.

Open admissions?

No, it wouldn't be open admissions.

Private schools would have the choice, not parents.

The PP said the parents have the choice. But it’s really private school admins? Anyone doing any oversight on how money is spent and how admissions decisions are made? Any requirements to admit and support students with special needs? ELL students? Recent immigrants? Poor kids?

“Oversight about how the money is spent” is what got us a layer of bureaucracy in our public school system where the paper pushers cost taxpayers more than the actual teachers do. No thanks. And having a classroom free of behavioral issues is one of the goals of the new schools parents are seeking. Since public schools call behavioral issues “special needs” these days, no, there won’t be requirements to admit and support special needs. It simply costs too much - financially and in terms of what it costs the other students in emotional impact and lost learning.

If you really cared about special needs then you would advocate for very strict behavioral requirements in classrooms so that parents didn’t need to make the difficult and sometimes expensive decision to abandon public schooling altogether so that their kids can have a safe and productive learning environment at school.

You do understand that disruptive does not equal learning differences or special needs?

So you are calling for a system where only certain kids get the choice? The ones you deem worthy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think I have an idea: vouchers will be $15,000. However, if you live in certain clusters, you won’t be eligible to receive one. Each cluster will be assigned a number—for example, the Walter Johnson cluster might be cluster 995. If someone from that cluster tries to apply, our system will automatically block the application.

Additionally, families living east of I-270 may receive prioritized application processing. Schools will continue to be labeled and receive less funding, but if a school cluster improves its conditions significantly, it can be reclassified as a cluster where vouchers are no longer allowed. In such cases, only those who were grandfathered in would be allowed to continue using vouchers. Once those students graduate, they must return to public school.
Please give your thoughts!

So the kid living in an apartment in 995 with their grandparents and other extended family doesn’t get it? No, it should be income-based, starting from the bottom up. Poor kids first. Doubt so many private school parents would be so supportive of this system.

The basic problem is there aren’t enough good private school seats for all the students who would want to use a voucher. Then someone has to choose who gets the choice through the voucher system.

I never thought of that situation thank you so much for your feedback.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not buying the tuition inflation argument. There are charter schools that make do with less money than private schools. My child is in one. The public district hates it and they always try to make their life harder.

Charters have to make do with the budget they get from the state because they aren’t allowed to charge tuition. Private schools aren’t so limited. Since demand for private school seats exceeds supply, they can raise the price and choose only those students who can pay the new higher price.

If you made it so voucher schools had to admit by lottery and could not charge tuition beyond the value of the voucher, then they’d be more like charter schools. But no existing private school would sign up for that arrangement.

[Anonymous]

Nit paying for religious garbage
Zero prove voucher systems work quite the opposite
Another way for don the con to scam