Do you want Texas's school voucher program in DC or DMV?

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Anonymous wrote:Nit paying for religious garbage
Zero prove voucher systems work quite the opposite
Another way for don the con to scam

Ok maybe secular isn't a good fit for some same as religious isn't for others. As long as they are acredited that's fine. Should notre dame be shunned from federal grants. Or school loans ?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not buying the tuition inflation argument. There are charter schools that make do with less money than private schools. My child is in one. The public district hates it and they always try to make their life harder.

When the government subsidizes something then demand and prices increase. Maybe not at your charter school since most people are wary of those setups, but private schools will certainly raise tuition.

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It would be WONDERFUL if a voucher program were to come to the DMV.

Who wouldn’t welcome more choice?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be WONDERFUL if a voucher program were to come to the DMV.

Who wouldn’t welcome more choice?

Who gets to choose?

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Anonymous wrote:The OP asks about vouchers in DC or the DMV. Would there be enough vouchers and spaces in private schools for all 50k kids in DCPS? Or the other 47k in DCPCS? Shouldn’t all the families have a choice?

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Anyone in favor of vouchers want to field this one?

Where there are not enough private schools, who of the 50k students gets a voucher? Who decides?

The vast majority of those parents don’t give a crap about their kids and aren’t raising them properly and wouldn’t bother to fill in the paperwork to get them into a private school, let alone enforce the discipline standards, make sure they do their homework, etc. If everyone was a good parent then we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

Not an answer.

The answer is that you won’t need to find anywhere close to 50k places.

Let’s say 15k. Show me where those fifteen thousand private school seats are in DC. Go ahead.

Catholic schools are about $10-15k for k-8, and $20-25k for high school.

No, fifteen thousand private school places, not tuition. And that’s not even counting the over 40k students in DCPCS schools.

There’s no market for it yet, but it’s conceivable that with vouchers, new private schools will serve the students some likely employing teachers and administrators from existing public schools.

Which kids get to attend?

The new schools would of course be non-profit, just like the private ones today. Kids that would go to public, will now have the option to attend these schools if they choose so.

Open admissions?

No, it wouldn't be open admissions.

Private schools would have the choice, not parents.

The PP said the parents have the choice. But it’s really private school admins? Anyone doing any oversight on how money is spent and how admissions decisions are made? Any requirements to admit and support students with special needs? ELL students? Recent immigrants? Poor kids?

“Oversight about how the money is spent” is what got us a layer of bureaucracy in our public school system where the paper pushers cost taxpayers more than the actual teachers do. No thanks. And having a classroom free of behavioral issues is one of the goals of the new schools parents are seeking. Since public schools call behavioral issues “special needs” these days, no, there won’t be requirements to admit and support special needs. It simply costs too much - financially and in terms of what it costs the other students in emotional impact and lost learning.

If you really cared about special needs then you would advocate for very strict behavioral requirements in classrooms so that parents didn’t need to make the difficult and sometimes expensive decision to abandon public schooling altogether so that their kids can have a safe and productive learning environment at school.

You do understand that disruptive does not equal learning differences or special needs?

So you are calling for a system where only certain kids get the choice? The ones you deem worthy.

Disruptive kids are not being removed from public school classrooms for a reason. That reason is that the kid either has a diagnosis (“special needs”) or is a certain skin color (“equity”). Either way, I don’t want my kids in classes with disruptive kids, and if vouchers are the way to make that happen then it’s fine with me.

[Anonymous]

Fcps and Arlington are run by teachers unions of course they are worried the gravy train is ending

[Anonymous]

Reasons why this is bad policy:
1. Mainly helps the wealthy who can already afford private schools.
2. Will just cause private schools to raise their fees. Meaning poor aren’t really helped by the subsidy.
3. Draws away money from public schools which have to meet a wide variety of needs.
4. Small school districts are against it since their schools are often the many center of community. Drawing away funds and students makes things harder for those communities.

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Anonymous wrote:The OP asks about vouchers in DC or the DMV. Would there be enough vouchers and spaces in private schools for all 50k kids in DCPS? Or the other 47k in DCPCS? Shouldn’t all the families have a choice?

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Anyone in favor of vouchers want to field this one?

Where there are not enough private schools, who of the 50k students gets a voucher? Who decides?

The vast majority of those parents don’t give a crap about their kids and aren’t raising them properly and wouldn’t bother to fill in the paperwork to get them into a private school, let alone enforce the discipline standards, make sure they do their homework, etc. If everyone was a good parent then we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

Not an answer.

The answer is that you won’t need to find anywhere close to 50k places.

Let’s say 15k. Show me where those fifteen thousand private school seats are in DC. Go ahead.

Catholic schools are about $10-15k for k-8, and $20-25k for high school.

No, fifteen thousand private school places, not tuition. And that’s not even counting the over 40k students in DCPCS schools.

There’s no market for it yet, but it’s conceivable that with vouchers, new private schools will serve the students some likely employing teachers and administrators from existing public schools.

Which kids get to attend?

The new schools would of course be non-profit, just like the private ones today. Kids that would go to public, will now have the option to attend these schools if they choose so.

Open admissions?

No, it wouldn't be open admissions.

Private schools would have the choice, not parents.

The PP said the parents have the choice. But it’s really private school admins? Anyone doing any oversight on how money is spent and how admissions decisions are made? Any requirements to admit and support students with special needs? ELL students? Recent immigrants? Poor kids?

“Oversight about how the money is spent” is what got us a layer of bureaucracy in our public school system where the paper pushers cost taxpayers more than the actual teachers do. No thanks. And having a classroom free of behavioral issues is one of the goals of the new schools parents are seeking. Since public schools call behavioral issues “special needs” these days, no, there won’t be requirements to admit and support special needs. It simply costs too much - financially and in terms of what it costs the other students in emotional impact and lost learning.

If you really cared about special needs then you would advocate for very strict behavioral requirements in classrooms so that parents didn’t need to make the difficult and sometimes expensive decision to abandon public schooling altogether so that their kids can have a safe and productive learning environment at school.

You do understand that disruptive does not equal learning differences or special needs?

So you are calling for a system where only certain kids get the choice? The ones you deem worthy.

Disruptive kids are not being removed from public school classrooms for a reason. That reason is that the kid either has a diagnosis (“special needs”) or is a certain skin color (“equity”). Either way, I don’t want my kids in classes with disruptive kids, and if vouchers are the way to make that happen then it’s fine with me.

But, if we are faithful and serious about DEI, then the “I” stands for “inclusion.”

Don’t the disruptive and violent children have a right to be included in your child’s class too? Are you saying, PP, you are opposed to DEI ?

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Anonymous wrote:The OP asks about vouchers in DC or the DMV. Would there be enough vouchers and spaces in private schools for all 50k kids in DCPS? Or the other 47k in DCPCS? Shouldn’t all the families have a choice?

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Anyone in favor of vouchers want to field this one?

Where there are not enough private schools, who of the 50k students gets a voucher? Who decides?

The vast majority of those parents don’t give a crap about their kids and aren’t raising them properly and wouldn’t bother to fill in the paperwork to get them into a private school, let alone enforce the discipline standards, make sure they do their homework, etc. If everyone was a good parent then we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

Not an answer.

The answer is that you won’t need to find anywhere close to 50k places.

Let’s say 15k. Show me where those fifteen thousand private school seats are in DC. Go ahead.

Catholic schools are about $10-15k for k-8, and $20-25k for high school.

No, fifteen thousand private school places, not tuition. And that’s not even counting the over 40k students in DCPCS schools.

There’s no market for it yet, but it’s conceivable that with vouchers, new private schools will serve the students some likely employing teachers and administrators from existing public schools.

Which kids get to attend?

The new schools would of course be non-profit, just like the private ones today. Kids that would go to public, will now have the option to attend these schools if they choose so.

Open admissions?

No, it wouldn't be open admissions.

Private schools would have the choice, not parents.

The PP said the parents have the choice. But it’s really private school admins? Anyone doing any oversight on how money is spent and how admissions decisions are made? Any requirements to admit and support students with special needs? ELL students? Recent immigrants? Poor kids?

“Oversight about how the money is spent” is what got us a layer of bureaucracy in our public school system where the paper pushers cost taxpayers more than the actual teachers do. No thanks. And having a classroom free of behavioral issues is one of the goals of the new schools parents are seeking. Since public schools call behavioral issues “special needs” these days, no, there won’t be requirements to admit and support special needs. It simply costs too much - financially and in terms of what it costs the other students in emotional impact and lost learning.

If you really cared about special needs then you would advocate for very strict behavioral requirements in classrooms so that parents didn’t need to make the difficult and sometimes expensive decision to abandon public schooling altogether so that their kids can have a safe and productive learning environment at school.

You do understand that disruptive does not equal learning differences or special needs?

So you are calling for a system where only certain kids get the choice? The ones you deem worthy.

Disruptive kids are not being removed from public school classrooms for a reason. That reason is that the kid either has a diagnosis (“special needs”) or is a certain skin color (“equity”). Either way, I don’t want my kids in classes with disruptive kids, and if vouchers are the way to make that happen then it’s fine with me.

But, if we are faithful and serious about DEI, then the “I” stands for “inclusion.”

Don’t the disruptive and violent children have a right to be included in your child’s class too? Are you saying, PP, you are opposed to DEI ?

I don't care about DEI, the 23 kids lose access to education with 1 disruptive kid in the classroom. Right of 1 to be included should not trump the rights of 23 to be educated.

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Anonymous wrote:The OP asks about vouchers in DC or the DMV. Would there be enough vouchers and spaces in private schools for all 50k kids in DCPS? Or the other 47k in DCPCS? Shouldn’t all the families have a choice?

k

Anyone in favor of vouchers want to field this one?

Where there are not enough private schools, who of the 50k students gets a voucher? Who decides?

The vast majority of those parents don’t give a crap about their kids and aren’t raising them properly and wouldn’t bother to fill in the paperwork to get them into a private school, let alone enforce the discipline standards, make sure they do their homework, etc. If everyone was a good parent then we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

Not an answer.

The answer is that you won’t need to find anywhere close to 50k places.

Let’s say 15k. Show me where those fifteen thousand private school seats are in DC. Go ahead.

Catholic schools are about $10-15k for k-8, and $20-25k for high school.

No, fifteen thousand private school places, not tuition. And that’s not even counting the over 40k students in DCPCS schools.

There’s no market for it yet, but it’s conceivable that with vouchers, new private schools will serve the students some likely employing teachers and administrators from existing public schools.

Which kids get to attend?

The new schools would of course be non-profit, just like the private ones today. Kids that would go to public, will now have the option to attend these schools if they choose so.

Open admissions?

No, it wouldn't be open admissions.

Private schools would have the choice, not parents.

The PP said the parents have the choice. But it’s really private school admins? Anyone doing any oversight on how money is spent and how admissions decisions are made? Any requirements to admit and support students with special needs? ELL students? Recent immigrants? Poor kids?

“Oversight about how the money is spent” is what got us a layer of bureaucracy in our public school system where the paper pushers cost taxpayers more than the actual teachers do. No thanks. And having a classroom free of behavioral issues is one of the goals of the new schools parents are seeking. Since public schools call behavioral issues “special needs” these days, no, there won’t be requirements to admit and support special needs. It simply costs too much - financially and in terms of what it costs the other students in emotional impact and lost learning.

If you really cared about special needs then you would advocate for very strict behavioral requirements in classrooms so that parents didn’t need to make the difficult and sometimes expensive decision to abandon public schooling altogether so that their kids can have a safe and productive learning environment at school.

You do understand that disruptive does not equal learning differences or special needs?

So you are calling for a system where only certain kids get the choice? The ones you deem worthy.

Disruptive kids are not being removed from public school classrooms for a reason. That reason is that the kid either has a diagnosis (“special needs”) or is a certain skin color (“equity”). Either way, I don’t want my kids in classes with disruptive kids, and if vouchers are the way to make that happen then it’s fine with me.

Why do you think your child should get a voucher? What if they don’t. What would you think about that?

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Anonymous wrote:The OP asks about vouchers in DC or the DMV. Would there be enough vouchers and spaces in private schools for all 50k kids in DCPS? Or the other 47k in DCPCS? Shouldn’t all the families have a choice?

k

Anyone in favor of vouchers want to field this one?

Where there are not enough private schools, who of the 50k students gets a voucher? Who decides?

The vast majority of those parents don’t give a crap about their kids and aren’t raising them properly and wouldn’t bother to fill in the paperwork to get them into a private school, let alone enforce the discipline standards, make sure they do their homework, etc. If everyone was a good parent then we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

Not an answer.

The answer is that you won’t need to find anywhere close to 50k places.

Let’s say 15k. Show me where those fifteen thousand private school seats are in DC. Go ahead.

Catholic schools are about $10-15k for k-8, and $20-25k for high school.

No, fifteen thousand private school places, not tuition. And that’s not even counting the over 40k students in DCPCS schools.

There’s no market for it yet, but it’s conceivable that with vouchers, new private schools will serve the students some likely employing teachers and administrators from existing public schools.

Which kids get to attend?

The new schools would of course be non-profit, just like the private ones today. Kids that would go to public, will now have the option to attend these schools if they choose so.

Open admissions?

No, it wouldn't be open admissions.

Private schools would have the choice, not parents.

The PP said the parents have the choice. But it’s really private school admins? Anyone doing any oversight on how money is spent and how admissions decisions are made? Any requirements to admit and support students with special needs? ELL students? Recent immigrants? Poor kids?

“Oversight about how the money is spent” is what got us a layer of bureaucracy in our public school system where the paper pushers cost taxpayers more than the actual teachers do. No thanks. And having a classroom free of behavioral issues is one of the goals of the new schools parents are seeking. Since public schools call behavioral issues “special needs” these days, no, there won’t be requirements to admit and support special needs. It simply costs too much - financially and in terms of what it costs the other students in emotional impact and lost learning.

If you really cared about special needs then you would advocate for very strict behavioral requirements in classrooms so that parents didn’t need to make the difficult and sometimes expensive decision to abandon public schooling altogether so that their kids can have a safe and productive learning environment at school.

You do understand that disruptive does not equal learning differences or special needs?

So you are calling for a system where only certain kids get the choice? The ones you deem worthy.

Disruptive kids are not being removed from public school classrooms for a reason. That reason is that the kid either has a diagnosis (“special needs”) or is a certain skin color (“equity”). Either way, I don’t want my kids in classes with disruptive kids, and if vouchers are the way to make that happen then it’s fine with me.

You said schools taking public funds through a voucher program would not have to admit kids with special needs and/or learning differences. You do realize that most of those kids are not disruptive and are more likely to be victims of teasing, bullying and harassment? Why should your child get a choice but they don’t?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It would be WONDERFUL if a voucher program were to come to the DMV.

Who wouldn’t welcome more choice?

Where would all the slots come from? Most private schools (even parochial ones) are full or nearly full. They would be overwhelmed with demand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It would be WONDERFUL if a voucher program were to come to the DMV.

Who wouldn’t welcome more choice?

Where would all the slots come from? Most private schools (even parochial ones) are full or nearly full. They would be overwhelmed with demand.

They would adapt and expand, of course.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It would be WONDERFUL if a voucher program were to come to the DMV.

Who wouldn’t welcome more choice?

Who gets to choose?

Private schools get to choose.

The whole “school choice” talking point is a scam.

The actual choice is made by private schools. And they will continue to cater to the wealthy crowd who already has the knowledge and means to navigate private school admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reasons why this is bad policy:
1. Mainly helps the wealthy who can already afford private schools.
2. Will just cause private schools to raise their fees. Meaning poor aren’t really helped by the subsidy.
3. Draws away money from public schools which have to meet a wide variety of needs.
4. Small school districts are against it since their schools are often the many center of community. Drawing away funds and students makes things harder for those communities.

Exactly.

Vouchers will hurt our communities. Just as they have wherever Republicans have scammed their way in.

We should INCREASE funding for public schools. Not defund them.