Do you want Texas's school voucher program in DC or DMV?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, they've repeatedly shown this just ends up benefitting people who were already paying for private school so it's just a transfer of wealth to those who already had money.

No, the tuition prices will rise by the voucher amount. It will just make wealthy private schools richer and take money from average and less wealthy public schools.

Repeating the same lies over and over does not make them true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hells no.

so persuasive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who lived in a state (not TX) with vouchers that had a strict income cut-off. They said it made their private more economically diverse than it otherwise would have been.

This is a well-established and supported fact. It’s really ironic how people are so opposed to greater diversity in school.

Anecdote isn't data. Bring data:

https://www.epi.org/publication/vouchers-harm-public-schools/

Students in Louisiana’s Scholarship voucher program experienced declining achievement in both language arts and mathematics during their first two years in the program (Mills and Wolf 2023). Similarly, Waddington and Berends (2018) found that voucher students in the Indiana Choice Scholarship voucher program experienced declining achievement in mathematics one year after attending private school. Under the Ed Choice Program in Ohio, voucher students who previously attended high-performing public schools performed worse than they would have had they remained in public school (Figlio and Karbownick 2016).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who lived in a state (not TX) with vouchers that had a strict income cut-off. They said it made their private more economically diverse than it otherwise would have been.

This is a well-established and supported fact. It’s really ironic how people are so opposed to greater diversity in school.

Greater diversity than our public school?

[Anonymous]

Absolutely not - parent with a kid that has a 504 and would be discriminated against at even the most expensive private schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, they've repeatedly shown this just ends up benefitting people who were already paying for private school so it's just a transfer of wealth to those who already had money.

No, the tuition prices will rise by the voucher amount. It will just make wealthy private schools richer and take money from average and less wealthy public schools.

Repeating the same lies over and over does not make them true.

Calling it a lie when there are actual studies confirming this is ridiculous:

https://www.kcrg.com/2024/05/17/princeton-study-private-school-tuitions-rise-after-state-voucher-rollout/

Discussing a Princeton study on Iowa vouchers:

”What we end up finding is that for the eligibility universal grades or kindergarten, we see depending on our model a 21 to 25% increase in tuition prices relative to you know the same grade in Nebraska,” said Jennings.

[Anonymous]

DC already has a federal voucher law. Here is the evaluation.

https://ies.ed.gov/use-work/resource-library/report/evaluation-report/evaluation-dc-opportunity-scholarship-program-impacts-after-three-years-0

The report found that the OSP had no effect on either math or reading achievement. The OSP did have positive effects on students' – but not parents' – satisfaction with their schools and perceptions of school safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who lived in a state (not TX) with vouchers that had a strict income cut-off. They said it made their private more economically diverse than it otherwise would have been.

This is a well-established and supported fact. It’s really ironic how people are so opposed to greater diversity in school.

Anecdote isn't data. Bring data:

https://www.epi.org/publication/vouchers-harm-public-schools/

Students in Louisiana’s Scholarship voucher program experienced declining achievement in both language arts and mathematics during their first two years in the program (Mills and Wolf 2023). Similarly, Waddington and Berends (2018) found that voucher students in the Indiana Choice Scholarship voucher program experienced declining achievement in mathematics one year after attending private school. Under the Ed Choice Program in Ohio, voucher students who previously attended high-performing public schools performed worse than they would have had they remained in public school (Figlio and Karbownick 2016).

Data about vouchers harming public school has nothing to do with vouchers creating economic diversity in private school. They're separate arguments about the same topic.

In addition to the fact that your data isn't relevant to the thread you quoted (which I started), the report you linked is arguing a decline in public school quality when more kids are given the opportunity to attend private school. Nowhere can I find in there that the kids who take the opportunity to attend private school themselves achieve less.

[Anonymous]

No. We don’t need White Nationalist academies here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who lived in a state (not TX) with vouchers that had a strict income cut-off. They said it made their private more economically diverse than it otherwise would have been.

This is a well-established and supported fact. It’s really ironic how people are so opposed to greater diversity in school.

Anecdote isn't data. Bring data:

https://www.epi.org/publication/vouchers-harm-public-schools/

Students in Louisiana’s Scholarship voucher program experienced declining achievement in both language arts and mathematics during their first two years in the program (Mills and Wolf 2023). Similarly, Waddington and Berends (2018) found that voucher students in the Indiana Choice Scholarship voucher program experienced declining achievement in mathematics one year after attending private school. Under the Ed Choice Program in Ohio, voucher students who previously attended high-performing public schools performed worse than they would have had they remained in public school (Figlio and Karbownick 2016).

Data about vouchers harming public school has nothing to do with vouchers creating economic diversity in private school. They're separate arguments about the same topic.

In addition to the fact that your data isn't relevant to the thread you quoted (which I started), the report you linked is arguing a decline in public school quality when more kids are given the opportunity to attend private school. Nowhere can I find in there that the kids who take the opportunity to attend private school themselves achieve less.

That is literally what the quote above says. It says that untitled studies showed that the children who participated in voucher programs showed decreased educational attainment compared with students with similar profiles who stayed on public schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC already has a federal voucher law. Here is the evaluation.

https://ies.ed.gov/use-work/resource-library/report/evaluation-report/evaluation-dc-opportunity-scholarship-program-impacts-after-three-years-0

The report found that the OSP had no effect on either math or reading achievement. The OSP did have positive effects on students' – but not parents' – satisfaction with their schools and perceptions of school safety.

This study was over 3 years and found that math tests weren't different between kids who got vouchers and used them and kids who weren't offered them. Interestingly chronic absenteeism was lower in voucher kids, which seems like it would over a longer period of time make some difference in outcomes if chronic absenteeism is the problem people say it is.

[Anonymous]

I am fully in support of more voucher programs; especially in the DMV.

Who do we contact to help get these laws passed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This only really benefits poor people.

The rich already send their kids to private school; they have no need for vouchers.

It’s the opposite. The rich families already have seats at private schools and can afford the tuition gap. Private schools can already fill their classes many times over. They aren’t adding a bunch of seats just because of vouchers.

You do NOT know that. You cannot know that. Ergo: you are a liar PP.

Take your rancid democrat lies elsewhere.

We do know exactly that. Just look at places where Republicans have forced vouchers.

Republicans want taxpayers to subsidize their kids’ private schools tuition.

No, vouchers hurt the community.

[Anonymous]

I see no reason we shouldn’t give these programs a try in this area.

Why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see no reason we shouldn’t give these programs a try in this area.

Why not?

+1.


These programs are entirely voluntary; no one is forced to use a voucher if they don’t want to.

Shouldn’t parents be offered a choice?