Harvard Rejects Trump Admin’s Demands, Going to Court

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Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Isn't that precisely what Harvard is saying?

With their own money please

Then you don't get to benefit from this research, sorry!

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Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Sure. Except it won’t be doing research for US federal programs.

Stopping this research primarily hurts the US, not Harvard.

Harvard is not the only university in the US.

This isn’t like shopping around for someone to fix your car. Researchers aren’t interchangeable and there will be significant loss of institutional knowledge.

This petty tantrum will primarily hurt the US.

Nice job, idiots. You don’t even comprehend the harm that you are inflicting on yourself.

MIT and Caltech is much more useful and necessary than anything Harvard does. Elite public universities can do them better at less costs.

it will cost just the same at MIT and Caltech. (also, do you think these are elite public universities??)

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Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Isn't that precisely what Harvard is saying?

With their own money please

That only flies if you don’t want any treatments for diseases and promise not to spread any to the rest of us.

Oh, and also you don’t get to use the Internet, fly on an airplane, travel by car, have air conditioning, own a TV, etc. Essentially all the technology that makes what you know as life actually livable wouldn’t be possible without academic institutions, here and abroad.

And you think those things wouldn’t exist without Harvard?! Hahahahahahahahhahahaahahhahhahaaaahahhahahahaaahaahhhhhahhahahhhhhhaaa!

You think only one research lab (at a state school?!) made these things possible?

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Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Isn't that precisely what Harvard is saying?

With their own money please

That only flies if you don’t want any treatments for diseases and promise not to spread any to the rest of us.

Oh, and also you don’t get to use the Internet, fly on an airplane, travel by car, have air conditioning, own a TV, etc. Essentially all the technology that makes what you know as life actually livable wouldn’t be possible without academic institutions, here and abroad.

Harvard can be gone today, and the country and the world will be perfectly fine.

It’s not about one school, but obviously you don’t understand how even one of the top schools impacts you, or how heavily recruited by other countries their researchers are.

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

There are many concerns with the demands, but here are three:

-Harvard is being told they have to end recognition of student orgs merely accused of things, not proven to have done those things. Many of the allegations have been disputed.

-Affirmative action and DEI aren’t the same. DEI can still play a role in ensuring no discrimination, but they are being told even that is not allowed.

- Most seriously, Harvard employees and students would be immediately evaluated for “viewpoint diversity. ” If not satisfying the gov, future hires and admits would need to reach whatever level of parity the gov sees fit. Viewpoint diversity is a subjective assessment, and easily corrupted to disallow academic criticism of public policy. That would remove yet another “check,” as the politicians studied by academics would now control the hiring of those asking the questions, not unlike what just happened with the WH press corps.

Can the gov withhold Harvard funding if their demands aren’t met? Possibly, but that doesn’t make it right, as the courts exist to determine compliance with the law, not to tell us what laws we should have. Much of this hasn’t been attempted before in this country, so at least some of the relevant laws are vague. If they do pull it off, why would the top researchers and students in the world stay when they are in high demand by countries not policing thought?

Ridiculous DEI policies resulted in Harvard hiring a fake Indian as a law professor & a serial plagiarist as president. Hard to see why DEI is something they think is worth fighting for.

I think you missed the point. They can drop AA without dropping the entirety of DEI. The latter is a superset.

What’s funny though is the gov is demanding an even more subjective form of DEI run by themselves and calling it “viewpoint diversity.”

That is hands down the funniest part of this. Replacing "Diversity Equity Inclusion" with "Viewpoint Diversity" and all enforced by constant surveillance of everything said by anyone affiliated with the school.

Oh no... Now instead of claims that schools have been infected with DEI we are going to hear that they have been infected with VD. Sheesh

Sounds like an STI that you might get from your couch.

Why does your couch have an sti?

Vance the couch humper was here the other night.

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Proud of Harvard!

Princeton is fighting back too.

Now the real leaders are emerging ...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Isn't that precisely what Harvard is saying?

With their own money please

That only flies if you don’t want any treatments for diseases and promise not to spread any to the rest of us.

Oh, and also you don’t get to use the Internet, fly on an airplane, travel by car, have air conditioning, own a TV, etc. Essentially all the technology that makes what you know as life actually livable wouldn’t be possible without academic institutions, here and abroad.

And you think those things wouldn’t exist without Harvard?! Hahahahahahahahhahahaahahhahhahaaaahahhahahahaaahaahhhhhahhahahhhhhhaaa!

No, but if you are ok cutting funding over ideology differences with Harvard presumably you would be anywhere.

Now go laugh that long for each other university in the world contributing towards your life of contentment despite a functioning cortex.

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dysfunctioning

Damn auto corrects

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard acted like it's above the law and discriminated Asians all they want.
Now it's acting like it's entiled to my tax money.

Trump always acts like he is above the law. He's broken the law more than ten times in the past week, I bet.

What do I care what Harvard does? They are not deporting innocent people. They are not telling people to take vitamin A to fight the measles. They are not proclaiming people as "dead," so that they can't open bank accounts. They are not trying to prevent women from voting.

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Tax exempt status next.

It's absurd the Harvard pays no taxes and gets $9B of federal money. Meanwhile their class sizes remain tiny, while they talk about equity and privilege, and play racial discrimination games where a black student has 10x the odds of getting in than an Asian American student with similar stats across all achievement deciles.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s put this in perspective. If a Harvard grad were to manage its endowment and earn 4.25% then that would cover the $2.2B.

So, send the money to help support public education and let Harvard do its own thing.

There are enough R1 public institutions to pick up the slack.

There are people on this thread who have zero understanding of higher ed financing.
Trump is eviscerating NIH, the CDC, and the NSF. Where do you think R1s are supposed to be getting their funding? Why don't you actually try to educate yourself before making nonsense comments. It's not just Harvard and private universities that are being skewered, it's all universities, both public and private, that have a significant research arm.

All funding is not being cut. Reasonable amounts are being offered for overhead costs and if I am not mistaken Columbia’s funding has been released.

Sanity is being brought to the process. So, perhaps take a moment to step back and think before you criticize those that are far more informed than you appear to be.

I doubt you are more informed than me.
-R1 tenure professor

Ah spoken like a person with a lifelong job no matter how well they perform.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s put this in perspective. If a Harvard grad were to manage its endowment and earn 4.25% then that would cover the $2.2B.

So, send the money to help support public education and let Harvard do its own thing.

There are enough R1 public institutions to pick up the slack.

There are people on this thread who have zero understanding of higher ed financing.
Trump is eviscerating NIH, the CDC, and the NSF. Where do you think R1s are supposed to be getting their funding? Why don't you actually try to educate yourself before making nonsense comments. It's not just Harvard and private universities that are being skewered, it's all universities, both public and private, that have a significant research arm.

All funding is not being cut. Reasonable amounts are being offered for overhead costs and if I am not mistaken Columbia’s funding has been released.

Sanity is being brought to the process. So, perhaps take a moment to step back and think before you criticize those that are far more informed than you appear to be.

I doubt you are more informed than me.
-R1 tenure professor

Ah spoken like a person with a lifelong job no matter how well they perform.

Ah spoken like an ignorant rube.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tax exempt status next.

It's absurd the Harvard pays no taxes and gets $9B of federal money. Meanwhile their class sizes remain tiny, while they talk about equity and privilege, and play racial discrimination games where a black student has 10x the odds of getting in than an Asian American student with similar stats across all achievement deciles.

also rich Whites, powerful people, celebrities, etc. with my tax money.
F that.

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Anonymous wrote:Tax exempt status next.

It's absurd the Harvard pays no taxes and gets $9B of federal money. Meanwhile their class sizes remain tiny, while they talk about equity and privilege, and play racial discrimination games where a black student has 10x the odds of getting in than an Asian American student with similar stats across all achievement deciles.

also rich Whites, powerful people, celebrities, etc. with my tax money.
F that.

I agree, they can fund themselves with their endowment. They can increase class sizes if they need more money. But if they are going to institutionally discriminate based on race and legacy/donor status, then they are no different than a Southern country club, and they can be taxed like one starting now.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard acted like it's above the law and discriminated Asians all they want.
Now it's acting like it's entiled to my tax money.

Trump always acts like he is above the law. He's broken the law more than ten times in the past week, I bet.

What do I care what Harvard does? They are not deporting innocent people. They are not telling people to take vitamin A to fight the measles. They are not proclaiming people as "dead," so that they can't open bank accounts. They are not trying to prevent women from voting.

They discriminated my Asian kid favoring URMs and Rich Whites with my tax money.