Harvard Rejects Trump Admin’s Demands, Going to Court

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Anonymous wrote:Tax exempt status next.

It's absurd the Harvard pays no taxes and gets $9B of federal money. Meanwhile their class sizes remain tiny, while they talk about equity and privilege, and play racial discrimination games where a black student has 10x the odds of getting in than an Asian American student with similar stats across all achievement deciles.

Please share a post SCOTUS ruling source for that statistic.

I happen to disfavor affirmative action too, but am often surprised how many rail against that while fine with athletic recruiting. They have the highest admit rates of all, and these are supposed to be academic institutions. Some people are just born more athletic; an average person can’t get recruited with just hard work the way they can get good grades or test scores with just hard work.

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Harvard should lode its tax exemption and be taxes like any other entity for defying scouts and WH.

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Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Sure. Except it won’t be doing research for US federal programs.

Stopping this research primarily hurts the US, not Harvard.

Harvard is not the only university in the US.

This isn’t like shopping around for someone to fix your car. Researchers aren’t interchangeable and there will be significant loss of institutional knowledge.

This petty tantrum will primarily hurt the US.

Nice job, idiots. You don’t even comprehend the harm that you are inflicting on yourself.

MIT and Caltech is much more useful and necessary than anything Harvard does. Elite public universities can do them better at less costs.

MIT has also sued Trump for cutting off funding. Filed yesterday.

[Anonymous]

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Please share a post SCOTUS ruling source for that statistic.

I happen to disfavor affirmative action too, but am often surprised how many rail against that while fine with athletic recruiting. They have the highest admit rates of all, and these are supposed to be academic institutions. Some people are just born more athletic; an average person can’t get recruited with just hard work the way they can get good grades or test scores with just hard work.

Here’s the chart that was shown to the Supreme Court. It shows across nearly all academic deciles, blacks had a 5-10 fold higher admission rate than Asian Americans. The advantage was especially higher in the median deciles.

https://i0.wp.com/www.nationalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/harvard-decile-1.png?fit=643%2C397&ssl=1

I agree that the athlete hook is a scam too, often advantaging traditional white people non competitive sports.

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Under federal laws, any school that discriminates on the basis of race (asians) is not eligible for federal funds.

[Anonymous]

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Please share a post SCOTUS ruling source for that statistic.

I happen to disfavor affirmative action too, but am often surprised how many rail against that while fine with athletic recruiting. They have the highest admit rates of all, and these are supposed to be academic institutions. Some people are just born more athletic; an average person can’t get recruited with just hard work the way they can get good grades or test scores with just hard work.

Here’s the chart that was shown to the Supreme Court. It shows across nearly all academic deciles, blacks had a 5-10 fold higher admission rate than Asian Americans. The advantage was especially higher in the median deciles.

https://i0.wp.com/www.nationalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/harvard-decile-1.png?fit=643%2C397&ssl=1

I agree that the athlete hook is a scam too, often advantaging traditional white people non competitive sports.

PP asked for a POST ruling dataset. It is so recent I doubt there is one. If there is it almost certainly shows this was addressed in last year's admissions.

[Anonymous]

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Please share a post SCOTUS ruling source for that statistic.

I happen to disfavor affirmative action too, but am often surprised how many rail against that while fine with athletic recruiting. They have the highest admit rates of all, and these are supposed to be academic institutions. Some people are just born more athletic; an average person can’t get recruited with just hard work the way they can get good grades or test scores with just hard work.

Here’s the chart that was shown to the Supreme Court. It shows across nearly all academic deciles, blacks had a 5-10 fold higher admission rate than Asian Americans. The advantage was especially higher in the median deciles.

https://i0.wp.com/www.nationalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/harvard-decile-1.png?fit=643%2C397&ssl=1

I agree that the athlete hook is a scam too, often advantaging traditional white people non competitive sports.

I don’t see a date…

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard acted like it's above the law and discriminated Asians all they want.
Now it's acting like it's entiled to my tax money.

Trump always acts like he is above the law. He's broken the law more than ten times in the past week, I bet.

What do I care what Harvard does? They are not deporting innocent people. They are not telling people to take vitamin A to fight the measles. They are not proclaiming people as "dead," so that they can't open bank accounts. They are not trying to prevent women from voting.

They discriminated my Asian kid favoring URMs and Rich Whites with my tax money.

Hah, sour grapes!

[Anonymous]

The trolls who keep acting like the federal government is "funding the college" as opposed to the college winning research grants that the government wants have got to stop. Lame nonsense littering the thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Sure. Except it won’t be doing research for US federal programs.

Stopping this research primarily hurts the US, not Harvard.

Harvard is not the only university in the US.

This isn’t like shopping around for someone to fix your car. Researchers aren’t interchangeable and there will be significant loss of institutional knowledge.

This petty tantrum will primarily hurt the US.

Nice job, idiots. You don’t even comprehend the harm that you are inflicting on yourself.

MIT and Caltech is much more useful and necessary than anything Harvard does. Elite public universities can do them better at less costs.

MIT has also sued Trump for cutting off funding. Filed yesterday.

They are in good company. Maybe the rest will get onboard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard acted like it's above the law and discriminated Asians all they want.
Now it's acting like it's entiled to my tax money.

Trump always acts like he is above the law. He's broken the law more than ten times in the past week, I bet.

What do I care what Harvard does? They are not deporting innocent people. They are not telling people to take vitamin A to fight the measles. They are not proclaiming people as "dead," so that they can't open bank accounts. They are not trying to prevent women from voting.

In other words, Harvard shouldn’t continue doing cutting edge research because they rejected my kid.
They discriminated my Asian kid favoring URMs and Rich Whites with my tax money.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s extortion. No previous White House has ever tried to use the power of the state to steer the nation’s preeminent institutions of higher learning in an ideological direction favored by the president.

“U.S. research universities, and the federal funding that supports them, are one major reason Americans have collected more Nobel Prizes than citizens of any other country. They also help make the United States the world’s innovation engine and the top destination for foreign students. No other country is as adept at converting raw human talent and ideas into cutting-edge products. Research universities anchor innovation clusters such as Silicon Valley, which in turn fuel the country’s economic growth.”

Nearly a month ago, for example, Columbia University agreed to most of the White House’s demands in the hopes that Trump and his team would restore $400 million in federal funding. Not only were those hopes soon dashed — Columbia didn’t get its money back — but the administration soon after proposed installing oversight personnel to help run the school in ways that would make the president happy.

In effect, the White House responded to Columbia’s appeasement by trying in part to take over Columbia.

+100

People cheering for this are puppets. It’s the beginning of a fascist regime. They want to control all of the elite universities so there are no alternative ideas or push back. Much like firing all the IGs.

Obama sent letters threatening universities to install DEI or lose funding. Full compliance.

It is the government's responsibility to uphold civil rights and non-discrimination laws. Call it "control" if you want - but it's controlling fairness.
The Trump administration's demands work against civil rights and are controlling ideology they agree with and eliminating opposing views. That is not appropriate government "control."
It isn't federal regulations or government policies that are to blame if students with more conservative views don't feel comfortable expressing those views on their campus, or similarly employees in a company. That's the result of the school and the company's chosen practices.
Is Trump going after Liberty University for being too conservative or too Christian?

Trump administration is demanding as one of several conditions that Harvard stop discriminating against Asians and Harvard said no. Very simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s extortion. No previous White House has ever tried to use the power of the state to steer the nation’s preeminent institutions of higher learning in an ideological direction favored by the president.

“U.S. research universities, and the federal funding that supports them, are one major reason Americans have collected more Nobel Prizes than citizens of any other country. They also help make the United States the world’s innovation engine and the top destination for foreign students. No other country is as adept at converting raw human talent and ideas into cutting-edge products. Research universities anchor innovation clusters such as Silicon Valley, which in turn fuel the country’s economic growth.”

Nearly a month ago, for example, Columbia University agreed to most of the White House’s demands in the hopes that Trump and his team would restore $400 million in federal funding. Not only were those hopes soon dashed — Columbia didn’t get its money back — but the administration soon after proposed installing oversight personnel to help run the school in ways that would make the president happy.

In effect, the White House responded to Columbia’s appeasement by trying in part to take over Columbia.

+100

People cheering for this are puppets. It’s the beginning of a fascist regime. They want to control all of the elite universities so there are no alternative ideas or push back. Much like firing all the IGs.

Obama sent letters threatening universities to install DEI or lose funding. Full compliance.

It is the government's responsibility to uphold civil rights and non-discrimination laws. Call it "control" if you want - but it's controlling fairness.
The Trump administration's demands work against civil rights and are controlling ideology they agree with and eliminating opposing views. That is not appropriate government "control."
It isn't federal regulations or government policies that are to blame if students with more conservative views don't feel comfortable expressing those views on their campus, or similarly employees in a company. That's the result of the school and the company's chosen practices.
Is Trump going after Liberty University for being too conservative or too Christian?

Trump administration is demanding as one of several conditions that Harvard stop discriminating against Asians and Harvard said no. Very simple.

Half the country thinks it’s just swell to discriminate against those uppity Asian Americans. How dare they quote the plain English of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tax exempt status next.

It's absurd the Harvard pays no taxes and gets $9B of federal money. Meanwhile their class sizes remain tiny, while they talk about equity and privilege, and play racial discrimination games where a black student has 10x the odds of getting in than an Asian American student with similar stats across all achievement deciles.

also rich Whites, powerful people, celebrities, etc. with my tax money.
F that.

I agree, they can fund themselves with their endowment. They can increase class sizes if they need more money. But if they are going to institutionally discriminate based on race and legacy/donor status, then they are no different than a Southern country club, and they can be taxed like one starting now.

This has been discussed ad nauseum in older threads, but no, they can no just use their endowment however they want. There are restrictions.

The benefactor and school actually create a contract that limits both how funds are used and how much is spent per year (because the school is contractually obligated to keep the fund operating in perpetuity). If the school misuses endowment funds, they are both opening themselves up to lawsuits and diminishing their ability to collect more funds in the future (because people would rather give to orgs that comply.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s extortion. No previous White House has ever tried to use the power of the state to steer the nation’s preeminent institutions of higher learning in an ideological direction favored by the president.

“U.S. research universities, and the federal funding that supports them, are one major reason Americans have collected more Nobel Prizes than citizens of any other country. They also help make the United States the world’s innovation engine and the top destination for foreign students. No other country is as adept at converting raw human talent and ideas into cutting-edge products. Research universities anchor innovation clusters such as Silicon Valley, which in turn fuel the country’s economic growth.”

Nearly a month ago, for example, Columbia University agreed to most of the White House’s demands in the hopes that Trump and his team would restore $400 million in federal funding. Not only were those hopes soon dashed — Columbia didn’t get its money back — but the administration soon after proposed installing oversight personnel to help run the school in ways that would make the president happy.

In effect, the White House responded to Columbia’s appeasement by trying in part to take over Columbia.

+100

People cheering for this are puppets. It’s the beginning of a fascist regime. They want to control all of the elite universities so there are no alternative ideas or push back. Much like firing all the IGs.

Obama sent letters threatening universities to install DEI or lose funding. Full compliance.

It is the government's responsibility to uphold civil rights and non-discrimination laws. Call it "control" if you want - but it's controlling fairness.
The Trump administration's demands work against civil rights and are controlling ideology they agree with and eliminating opposing views. That is not appropriate government "control."
It isn't federal regulations or government policies that are to blame if students with more conservative views don't feel comfortable expressing those views on their campus, or similarly employees in a company. That's the result of the school and the company's chosen practices.
Is Trump going after Liberty University for being too conservative or too Christian?

Trump administration is demanding as one of several conditions that Harvard stop discriminating against Asians and Harvard said no. Very simple.

Do you have a cite for that? No, you don't.