Another day, another school shooting

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Anonymous wrote:It’s time we start locking up these insane kids to protect the normal ones.

they are "normal" until they start shooting up the school. How do you find such kids? We need real solutions, not a Minority Report.

They are well known to school psychologists and admin.

So you do want a Minority Report.

One day, your kid might be troubled for whatever reason. Should they haul your kid to prison?

I’m ok with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

Yes. That father needs to be handled like the Crumbleys were. He should have his day in court, but the community should see what type of irresponsible parental behavior is considered criminal and punishable. There are far too many parents who are not responding to their children's cry for help and who are not ensuring that their children do not have access to household firearms.

I think we need to find out if indeed the weapon came from the home first.

We already know:

- the kid made repeated, specific threats,
- more than a year in advance
- threats were so serious the FBI got involved, and yet:

The school did not expel him. They did not even suspend him. Not even for a day.

Not one day?!? Seriously??

This makes me want to FOIA our school system to see how many school-shooting threats they are covering up.

How many known-dangerous kids are in class right now with your children?

I don't think you'd be able to get that information from a FOIA request. There's an issue of student privacy when it comes to disciplinary matters.

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The school psychs can identify these kids. Instead of dumping money into bs we need to separate these crazy kids into centers where they can get help.

This kid has a horrific home life with insane and abusive parents. That’s no excuse but the system failed him.

He should have been removed from that environment once he made those threats and involuntarily committed to a facility where he could get help. Admin, local gov, and feds knew about this kid and the home environment he had. It was a ticking time bomb.

[Anonymous]

I'm a MS teacher. I have 3 kids: a high schooler and 2 in MS.

None of my colleagues or students or children have said anything. Not a single word.

There is nothing to say at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The school psychs can identify these kids. Instead of dumping money into bs we need to separate these crazy kids into centers where they can get help.

This kid has a horrific home life with insane and abusive parents. That’s no excuse but the system failed him.

He should have been removed from that environment once he made those threats and involuntarily committed to a facility where he could get help. Admin, local gov, and feds knew about this kid and the home environment he had. It was a ticking time bomb.

No, they cannot-that's garbage. There are 1-2 psychologists for 2000 kids at some schools. Georgia doesn't even have a law requiring that guns be stored safely away from children and others, so there's no way to prosecute the parents for manslaughter. So all of those saying to prosecute the parents should try to explain first why the GOP is so averse to any national gun safety laws, like that people should be required to lock up their guns so kids can't reach them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The school psychs can identify these kids. Instead of dumping money into bs we need to separate these crazy kids into centers where they can get help.

This kid has a horrific home life with insane and abusive parents. That’s no excuse but the system failed him.

He should have been removed from that environment once he made those threats and involuntarily committed to a facility where he could get help. Admin, local gov, and feds knew about this kid and the home environment he had. It was a ticking time bomb.

No, they cannot-that's garbage. There are 1-2 psychologists for 2000 kids at some schools. Georgia doesn't even have a law requiring that guns be stored safely away from children and others, so there's no way to prosecute the parents for manslaughter. So all of those saying to prosecute the parents should try to explain first why the GOP is so averse to any national gun safety laws, like that people should be required to lock up their guns so kids can't reach them.

+1 Let's start with the obvious: lock up the guns so kids can't get to them. If they do, then the parents were negligent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The school psychs can identify these kids. Instead of dumping money into bs we need to separate these crazy kids into centers where they can get help.

This kid has a horrific home life with insane and abusive parents. That’s no excuse but the system failed him.

He should have been removed from that environment once he made those threats and involuntarily committed to a facility where he could get help. Admin, local gov, and feds knew about this kid and the home environment he had. It was a ticking time bomb.

It is neither easy, nor maybe even possible, to know ahead who will commit these crimes.
Yes, this boy (and he was 13 last year!!) had big red flags, but there are many , many more troubled kids than homicidal kids.

We must limit access to lethal weapons. We cannot regulate all teens or families.

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Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that the shooter was known to law enforcement (unclear why) and the father recently told law enforcement that the kid didn’t have access to guns.

So many questions.

The kid had threatened to shoot up his school in 2023 per the FBI

WTF is wrong with our country? This kid’s parents should have had all guns confiscated on a regular basis. This is really sick. The rights of this child and his parents were more important than every other kid at that school. And now four people are dead and thousands more have their lives altered forever.

Oh it is definitely the gun nuts’ freedom over the welfare of the rest of us.

Which is why we have to vote out politicians who choose to prioritize their interests.

They are in the minority, and not good citizens.

So you support a police state. Got it

There is a huge difference between reasonable restrictions for public safety and a police state.

The problem with the current crop of Republicans is that everything is black and white. There are never gray areas for them. There are never partial measures. So, they stick their heads in the sand like ostriches and expect better outcomes from doing nothing. But history has consistently shown that doing nothing...accomplishes nothing.

We need to add reasonable restrictions for public safety. We need to be open to discussion restrictions without allowing the NRA to shut down all discussion before they even start. We need to learn from these tragedies into what restrictions would help.

Well, the majority of Americans agree with you…but they have to start voting accordingly.

This is more pressing than reproductive rights even.

But they both align, since Democrats favor both children and women, when it cars to gun safety and choice.

Vote based upon your children, not your wallet!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The school psychs can identify these kids. Instead of dumping money into bs we need to separate these crazy kids into centers where they can get help.

This kid has a horrific home life with insane and abusive parents. That’s no excuse but the system failed him.

He should have been removed from that environment once he made those threats and involuntarily committed to a facility where he could get help. Admin, local gov, and feds knew about this kid and the home environment he had. It was a ticking time bomb.

No, they cannot-that's garbage. There are 1-2 psychologists for 2000 kids at some schools. Georgia doesn't even have a law requiring that guns be stored safely away from children and others, so there's no way to prosecute the parents for manslaughter. So all of those saying to prosecute the parents should try to explain first why the GOP is so averse to any national gun safety laws, like that people should be required to lock up their guns so kids can't reach them.

If I recall correctly, Michigan did not adopt safe storage laws until after the Oxford shooting. Those parents were tried and convicted so I don't see why this father couldn't be charged as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

So your solution is to lock up any troubled kid who voices a threat? Look, I'm not minimizing the importance of identifying kids who potentially pose a risk, but we can't just start locking up kids for threats. Surely there's a better way to handle it.

The FBI went to his house to interview him and the dad.

This was not simply a one-time, passing, childish threat.

Ok, so what's your solution? We lock the kid up forever? Plenty of kids make stupid decisions and threaten violence but never follow through on it. Again, I'm not minimizing the severity of the situation, but I just don't see how it's reasonable to lock up every kid who makes a threat.

If the FBI went to his house, a minimum requirement should be that household weapons be secured. If the gun came from his house, the father should be put on trial.

That requires red flag laws.

People, tell your representatives that these policies are not optional if they want your vote.

We have power, but are too damn passive in the face of child carnage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The school psychs can identify these kids. Instead of dumping money into bs we need to separate these crazy kids into centers where they can get help.

This kid has a horrific home life with insane and abusive parents. That’s no excuse but the system failed him.

He should have been removed from that environment once he made those threats and involuntarily committed to a facility where he could get help. Admin, local gov, and feds knew about this kid and the home environment he had. It was a ticking time bomb.

No, they cannot-that's garbage. There are 1-2 psychologists for 2000 kids at some schools. Georgia doesn't even have a law requiring that guns be stored safely away from children and others, so there's no way to prosecute the parents for manslaughter. So all of those saying to prosecute the parents should try to explain first why the GOP is so averse to any national gun safety laws, like that people should be required to lock up their guns so kids can't reach them.

If I recall correctly, Michigan did not adopt safe storage laws until after the Oxford shooting. Those parents were tried and convicted so I don't see why this father couldn't be charged as well.

These after the fact/punishment strategies save no lives.

They may appeal to you emotionally, but we need to focus on preventing deaths, not getting vengeance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The school psychs can identify these kids. Instead of dumping money into bs we need to separate these crazy kids into centers where they can get help.

This kid has a horrific home life with insane and abusive parents. That’s no excuse but the system failed him.

He should have been removed from that environment once he made those threats and involuntarily committed to a facility where he could get help. Admin, local gov, and feds knew about this kid and the home environment he had. It was a ticking time bomb.

No, they cannot-that's garbage. There are 1-2 psychologists for 2000 kids at some schools. Georgia doesn't even have a law requiring that guns be stored safely away from children and others, so there's no way to prosecute the parents for manslaughter. So all of those saying to prosecute the parents should try to explain first why the GOP is so averse to any national gun safety laws, like that people should be required to lock up their guns so kids can't reach them.

If I recall correctly, Michigan did not adopt safe storage laws until after the Oxford shooting. Those parents were tried and convicted so I don't see why this father couldn't be charged as well.

Agreed. Even if there isn't a gun storage law, the father (if the gun came from his house) was negligent based on history.

Gun storage laws would be a good first step. So yes, the "shall not be infringed" crowd gets to continue cosplaying. But at least this would be a good step to helping school shootings. The same with adding scrutiny to an 18-year old buying guns. The older adults (i.e., drinking age) can continue cosplaying and pretending they're ready to fight off the "police state"...but this would be another sensible step with respect to school shootings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The school psychs can identify these kids. Instead of dumping money into bs we need to separate these crazy kids into centers where they can get help.

This kid has a horrific home life with insane and abusive parents. That’s no excuse but the system failed him.

He should have been removed from that environment once he made those threats and involuntarily committed to a facility where he could get help. Admin, local gov, and feds knew about this kid and the home environment he had. It was a ticking time bomb.

No, they cannot-that's garbage. There are 1-2 psychologists for 2000 kids at some schools. Georgia doesn't even have a law requiring that guns be stored safely away from children and others, so there's no way to prosecute the parents for manslaughter. So all of those saying to prosecute the parents should try to explain first why the GOP is so averse to any national gun safety laws, like that people should be required to lock up their guns so kids can't reach them.

If I recall correctly, Michigan did not adopt safe storage laws until after the Oxford shooting. Those parents were tried and convicted so I don't see why this father couldn't be charged as well.

These after the fact/punishment strategies save no lives.

They may appeal to you emotionally, but we need to focus on preventing deaths, not getting vengeance.

I agree we need to do more to prevent these tragedies, but I also believe if we're going to be charging a 14 year as an adult, we also need to charge the person who allowed him access to the murder weapon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The school psychs can identify these kids. Instead of dumping money into bs we need to separate these crazy kids into centers where they can get help.

This kid has a horrific home life with insane and abusive parents. That’s no excuse but the system failed him.

He should have been removed from that environment once he made those threats and involuntarily committed to a facility where he could get help. Admin, local gov, and feds knew about this kid and the home environment he had. It was a ticking time bomb.

No, they cannot-that's garbage. There are 1-2 psychologists for 2000 kids at some schools. Georgia doesn't even have a law requiring that guns be stored safely away from children and others, so there's no way to prosecute the parents for manslaughter. So all of those saying to prosecute the parents should try to explain first why the GOP is so averse to any national gun safety laws, like that people should be required to lock up their guns so kids can't reach them.

If I recall correctly, Michigan did not adopt safe storage laws until after the Oxford shooting. Those parents were tried and convicted so I don't see why this father couldn't be charged as well.

These after the fact/punishment strategies save no lives.

They may appeal to you emotionally, but we need to focus on preventing deaths, not getting vengeance.

It's not vengeance. If parents know they're legally at risk, it could incent action on their part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a MS teacher. I have 3 kids: a high schooler and 2 in MS.

None of my colleagues or students or children have said anything. Not a single word.

There is nothing to say at this point.

Agreed. I have a similar job and aged kids and have heard nothing either.

I was surprised when I got a text notification “standing with Winder”from our district. We’re not anywhere close to Georgia, so I’m guessing many people had no idea it even happened.