Another day, another school shooting

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Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that the shooter was known to law enforcement (unclear why) and the father recently told law enforcement that the kid didn’t have access to guns.

So many questions.

The kid had threatened to shoot up his school in 2023 per the FBI

WTF is wrong with our country? This kid’s parents should have had all guns confiscated on a regular basis. This is really sick. The rights of this child and his parents were more important than every other kid at that school. And now four people are dead and thousands more have their lives altered forever.

Oh it is definitely the gun nuts’ freedom over the welfare of the rest of us.

Which is why we have to vote out politicians who choose to prioritize their interests.

They are in the minority, and not good citizens.

So you support a police state. Got it

Of course they do they point to the uk as an example all the time

The UK is not a police state, dumba$$. It's like other countries saying the US is a lawless state with all the shootings.

And see Australia, which solved this problem after ONE mass shooting.

It is perfectly fixable, and not defensible for the US to continue down this path.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that the shooter was known to law enforcement (unclear why) and the father recently told law enforcement that the kid didn’t have access to guns.

So many questions.

The kid had threatened to shoot up his school in 2023 per the FBI

WTF is wrong with our country? This kid’s parents should have had all guns confiscated on a regular basis. This is really sick. The rights of this child and his parents were more important than every other kid at that school. And now four people are dead and thousands more have their lives altered forever.

Oh it is definitely the gun nuts’ freedom over the welfare of the rest of us.

Which is why we have to vote out politicians who choose to prioritize their interests.

They are in the minority, and not good citizens.

So you support a police state. Got it

There is a huge difference between reasonable restrictions for public safety and a police state.

The problem with the current crop of Republicans is that everything is black and white. There are never gray areas for them. There are never partial measures. So, they stick their heads in the sand like ostriches and expect better outcomes from doing nothing. But history has consistently shown that doing nothing...accomplishes nothing.

We need to add reasonable restrictions for public safety. We need to be open to discussion restrictions without allowing the NRA to shut down all discussion before they even start. We need to learn from these tragedies into what restrictions would help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

Yes. That father needs to be handled like the Crumbleys were. He should have his day in court, but the community should see what type of irresponsible parental behavior is considered criminal and punishable. There are far too many parents who are not responding to their children's cry for help and who are not ensuring that their children do not have access to household firearms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

Yes. That father needs to be handled like the Crumbleys were. He should have his day in court, but the community should see what type of irresponsible parental behavior is considered criminal and punishable. There are far too many parents who are not responding to their children's cry for help and who are not ensuring that their children do not have access to household firearms.

I think we need to find out if indeed the weapon came from the home first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

Yes. That father needs to be handled like the Crumbleys were. He should have his day in court, but the community should see what type of irresponsible parental behavior is considered criminal and punishable. There are far too many parents who are not responding to their children's cry for help and who are not ensuring that their children do not have access to household firearms.

I think we need to find out if indeed the weapon came from the home first.

We already know:

- the kid made repeated, specific threats,
- more than a year in advance
- threats were so serious the FBI got involved, and yet:

The school did not expel him. They did not even suspend him. Not even for a day.

Not one day?!? Seriously??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

Yes. That father needs to be handled like the Crumbleys were. He should have his day in court, but the community should see what type of irresponsible parental behavior is considered criminal and punishable. There are far too many parents who are not responding to their children's cry for help and who are not ensuring that their children do not have access to household firearms.

I think we need to find out if indeed the weapon came from the home first.

We already know:

- the kid made repeated, specific threats,
- more than a year in advance
- threats were so serious the FBI got involved, and yet:

The school did not expel him. They did not even suspend him. Not even for a day.

Not one day?!? Seriously??

This makes me want to FOIA our school system to see how many school-shooting threats they are covering up.

How many known-dangerous kids are in class right now with your children?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

So your solution is to lock up any troubled kid who voices a threat? Look, I'm not minimizing the importance of identifying kids who potentially pose a risk, but we can't just start locking up kids for threats. Surely there's a better way to handle it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

I agree. This father should be held accountable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

So your solution is to lock up any troubled kid who voices a threat? Look, I'm not minimizing the importance of identifying kids who potentially pose a risk, but we can't just start locking up kids for threats. Surely there's a better way to handle it.

The FBI went to his house to interview him and the dad.

This was not simply a one-time, passing, childish threat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

Yes. That father needs to be handled like the Crumbleys were. He should have his day in court, but the community should see what type of irresponsible parental behavior is considered criminal and punishable. There are far too many parents who are not responding to their children's cry for help and who are not ensuring that their children do not have access to household firearms.

I think we need to find out if indeed the weapon came from the home first.

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

So your solution is to lock up any troubled kid who voices a threat? Look, I'm not minimizing the importance of identifying kids who potentially pose a risk, but we can't just start locking up kids for threats. Surely there's a better way to handle it.

The FBI went to his house to interview him and the dad.

This was not simply a one-time, passing, childish threat.

Ok, so what's your solution? We lock the kid up forever? Plenty of kids make stupid decisions and threaten violence but never follow through on it. Again, I'm not minimizing the severity of the situation, but I just don't see how it's reasonable to lock up every kid who makes a threat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

So your solution is to lock up any troubled kid who voices a threat? Look, I'm not minimizing the importance of identifying kids who potentially pose a risk, but we can't just start locking up kids for threats. Surely there's a better way to handle it.

The FBI went to his house to interview him and the dad.

This was not simply a one-time, passing, childish threat.

Ok, so what's your solution? We lock the kid up forever? Plenty of kids make stupid decisions and threaten violence but never follow through on it. Again, I'm not minimizing the severity of the situation, but I just don't see how it's reasonable to lock up every kid who makes a threat.

If the FBI went to his house, a minimum requirement should be that household weapons be secured. If the gun came from his house, the father should be put on trial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

So your solution is to lock up any troubled kid who voices a threat? Look, I'm not minimizing the importance of identifying kids who potentially pose a risk, but we can't just start locking up kids for threats. Surely there's a better way to handle it.

The FBI went to his house to interview him and the dad.

This was not simply a one-time, passing, childish threat.

Ok, so what's your solution? We lock the kid up forever? Plenty of kids make stupid decisions and threaten violence but never follow through on it. Again, I'm not minimizing the severity of the situation, but I just don't see how it's reasonable to lock up every kid who makes a threat.

If the FBI went to his house, a minimum requirement should be that household weapons be secured. If the gun came from his house, the father should be put on trial.

Yes, I definitely agree with this. I'd also be interested in figuring out a way to expel these kids and place them in a school with higher levels of security. I don't think we should be throwing kids in jail, but if they pose a threat to other kids they should be removed from that setting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

Yes. That father needs to be handled like the Crumbleys were. He should have his day in court, but the community should see what type of irresponsible parental behavior is considered criminal and punishable. There are far too many parents who are not responding to their children's cry for help and who are not ensuring that their children do not have access to household firearms.

I think we need to find out if indeed the weapon came from the home first.

We already know:

- the kid made repeated, specific threats,
- more than a year in advance
- threats were so serious the FBI got involved, and yet:

The school did not expel him. They did not even suspend him. Not even for a day.

Not one day?!? Seriously??

This makes me want to FOIA our school system to see how many school-shooting threats they are covering up.

How many known-dangerous kids are in class right now with your children?

You won’t get that info from a FOIA request.