Another day, another school shooting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

Yes. That father needs to be handled like the Crumbleys were. He should have his day in court, but the community should see what type of irresponsible parental behavior is considered criminal and punishable. There are far too many parents who are not responding to their children's cry for help and who are not ensuring that their children do not have access to household firearms.

I think we need to find out if indeed the weapon came from the home first.

We already know:

- the kid made repeated, specific threats,
- more than a year in advance
- threats were so serious the FBI got involved, and yet:

The school did not expel him. They did not even suspend him. Not even for a day.

Not one day?!? Seriously??

This makes me want to FOIA our school system to see how many school-shooting threats they are covering up.

How many known-dangerous kids are in class right now with your children?

I don't think you'd be able to get that information from a FOIA request. There's an issue of student privacy when it comes to disciplinary matters.

Does the FBI/law enforcement inform schools of these situations? Did the school even know these threats were going on. I say if a kid is making this level of threats they need to get sent to online school. We need to assume that when kids say these things they mean it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

Yes. That father needs to be handled like the Crumbleys were. He should have his day in court, but the community should see what type of irresponsible parental behavior is considered criminal and punishable. There are far too many parents who are not responding to their children's cry for help and who are not ensuring that their children do not have access to household firearms.

I think we need to find out if indeed the weapon came from the home first.

We already know:

- the kid made repeated, specific threats,
- more than a year in advance
- threats were so serious the FBI got involved, and yet:

The school did not expel him. They did not even suspend him. Not even for a day.

Not one day?!? Seriously??

This makes me want to FOIA our school system to see how many school-shooting threats they are covering up.

How many known-dangerous kids are in class right now with your children?

I don't think you'd be able to get that information from a FOIA request. There's an issue of student privacy when it comes to disciplinary matters.

Does the FBI/law enforcement inform schools of these situations? Did the school even know these threats were going on. I say if a kid is making this level of threats they need to get sent to online school. We need to assume that when kids say these things they mean it.

Unclear. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/04/apalachee-high-school-shooting-georgia/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

So your solution is to lock up any troubled kid who voices a threat? Look, I'm not minimizing the importance of identifying kids who potentially pose a risk, but we can't just start locking up kids for threats. Surely there's a better way to handle it.

The FBI went to his house to interview him and the dad.

This was not simply a one-time, passing, childish threat.

Ok, so what's your solution? We lock the kid up forever? Plenty of kids make stupid decisions and threaten violence but never follow through on it. Again, I'm not minimizing the severity of the situation, but I just don't see how it's reasonable to lock up every kid who makes a threat.

If the FBI went to his house, a minimum requirement should be that household weapons be secured. If the gun came from his house, the father should be put on trial.

That requires red flag laws.

People, tell your representatives that these policies are not optional if they want your vote.

We have power, but are too damn passive in the face of child carnage.

So, we have a national impassed based on what is considered the room cause of these issues. So, the correct way to address this is to propose gun safety regulations that work within the framework of what the Republican party has identified that they think are problems.

So, red flag laws where we mandate that any mental health professional that has identified risky or dangerous behavior from an adult or child that could be deemed a safety risk should have to report it. This isn't an actionable report, but there should be a national database of individuals that have mental health issues that could be a precursor to a danger to the community. If an adult with a mental health issue within the last X time is involved in any violent offense, any guns in the house need to be removed until such time as they are cleared by a mental health professional that they are no longer a danger to the community. They should not be allowed to purchase any guns during such a probationary period.

Children who have mental health issues should be flagged by schools. They need to advise parents of mental health issues and that parents need to plan to have their child evaluated by a mental health professional within a certain amount of time. If the parents do not have their child evaluated within that time and do not have an appointment scheduled, then the child can be suspended from school pending evaluation or a scheduled appointment. Additionally, if the child has not been evaluated and cleared by a mental health professional, then any guns within the home are to be removed from the home until the child is cleared by a mental health professional that they are not a danger to the community.

This directly addresses the primary excuse that Republicans use, that we don't have a gun issue, we have a mental health issue. If the Republicans are correct, then this should see a sharp drop in the number of school shootings. Since we are having dozens of school shootings annually, this should be observable if this is correct. And Republicans need to be willing to discuss alternative actions should this not cause a noticeable drop in the number of school shootings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

So your solution is to lock up any troubled kid who voices a threat? Look, I'm not minimizing the importance of identifying kids who potentially pose a risk, but we can't just start locking up kids for threats. Surely there's a better way to handle it.

The FBI went to his house to interview him and the dad.

This was not simply a one-time, passing, childish threat.

Ok, so what's your solution? We lock the kid up forever? Plenty of kids make stupid decisions and threaten violence but never follow through on it. Again, I'm not minimizing the severity of the situation, but I just don't see how it's reasonable to lock up every kid who makes a threat.

If the FBI went to his house, a minimum requirement should be that household weapons be secured. If the gun came from his house, the father should be put on trial.

That requires red flag laws.

People, tell your representatives that these policies are not optional if they want your vote.

We have power, but are too damn passive in the face of child carnage.

So, we have a national impassed based on what is considered the room cause of these issues. So, the correct way to address this is to propose gun safety regulations that work within the framework of what the Republican party has identified that they think are problems.

So, red flag laws where we mandate that any mental health professional that has identified risky or dangerous behavior from an adult or child that could be deemed a safety risk should have to report it. This isn't an actionable report, but there should be a national database of individuals that have mental health issues that could be a precursor to a danger to the community. If an adult with a mental health issue within the last X time is involved in any violent offense, any guns in the house need to be removed until such time as they are cleared by a mental health professional that they are no longer a danger to the community. They should not be allowed to purchase any guns during such a probationary period.

Children who have mental health issues should be flagged by schools. They need to advise parents of mental health issues and that parents need to plan to have their child evaluated by a mental health professional within a certain amount of time. If the parents do not have their child evaluated within that time and do not have an appointment scheduled, then the child can be suspended from school pending evaluation or a scheduled appointment. Additionally, if the child has not been evaluated and cleared by a mental health professional, then any guns within the home are to be removed from the home until the child is cleared by a mental health professional that they are not a danger to the community.

This directly addresses the primary excuse that Republicans use, that we don't have a gun issue, we have a mental health issue. If the Republicans are correct, then this should see a sharp drop in the number of school shootings. Since we are having dozens of school shootings annually, this should be observable if this is correct. And Republicans need to be willing to discuss alternative actions should this not cause a noticeable drop in the number of school shootings.

The shooter’s aunt says he was begging for mental health help.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/05/suspected-shooter-georgia-school-shooting-apalachee-high/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3eee88f%2F66d9e09861404d7cc2c4df87%2F596bc2b7ae7e8a44e7dcaab7%2F7%2F54%2F66d9e09861404d7cc2c4df87

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems a good guy with a gun stooped the shooting

And it seems like a mentally disturbed kid potentially enabled by irresponsible parents killed four people (and wounded many others) at a school yesterday.

[Anonymous]

Seems a good guy with a gun stooped the shooting

I’m sure the loved ones of countless victims, care about that when it was too late for their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems a good guy with a gun stooped the shooting

And it seems like a mentally disturbed kid potentially enabled by irresponsible parents killed four people (and wounded many others) at a school yesterday.

And traumatized many more. Even after the FBI investigated, the parents still didn't keep him away from assault weapons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Seems a good guy with a gun stooped the shooting

I’m sure the loved ones of countless victims, care about that when it was too late for their kids.

Uvalde. How many "good guys with guns" stood around and let that carnage happen?
The answer to every "good guy with a gun" argument is one word: Uvalde.

[Anonymous]

I know this is freedom of speech infringement but shutting down some of these nutty extremist online communities would probably help. I think this is part of the issue and addresses why this didn’t happen much in the past. It’s easier for people to find community for their messed up ideas and sink themselves into the internet. Mentally ill and chronologically online is a bad combination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know this is freedom of speech infringement but shutting down some of these nutty extremist online communities would probably help. I think this is part of the issue and addresses why this didn’t happen much in the past. It’s easier for people to find community for their messed up ideas and sink themselves into the internet. Mentally ill and chronologically online is a bad combination.

TikTok really should be banned in the USA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school psychs can identify these kids. Instead of dumping money into bs we need to separate these crazy kids into centers where they can get help.

This kid has a horrific home life with insane and abusive parents. That’s no excuse but the system failed him.

He should have been removed from that environment once he made those threats and involuntarily committed to a facility where he could get help. Admin, local gov, and feds knew about this kid and the home environment he had. It was a ticking time bomb.

No, they cannot-that's garbage. There are 1-2 psychologists for 2000 kids at some schools. Georgia doesn't even have a law requiring that guns be stored safely away from children and others, so there's no way to prosecute the parents for manslaughter. So all of those saying to prosecute the parents should try to explain first why the GOP is so averse to any national gun safety laws, like that people should be required to lock up their guns so kids can't reach them.

If I recall correctly, Michigan did not adopt safe storage laws until after the Oxford shooting. Those parents were tried and convicted so I don't see why this father couldn't be charged as well.

These after the fact/punishment strategies save no lives.

They may appeal to you emotionally, but we need to focus on preventing deaths, not getting vengeance.

It's not vengeance. If parents know they're legally at risk, it could incent action on their part.

If you had even studied criminology, you would know that these “deterrence” sentences gave zero impact.

So, yeah, nice try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

So your solution is to lock up any troubled kid who voices a threat? Look, I'm not minimizing the importance of identifying kids who potentially pose a risk, but we can't just start locking up kids for threats. Surely there's a better way to handle it.

The FBI went to his house to interview him and the dad.

This was not simply a one-time, passing, childish threat.

Ok, so what's your solution? We lock the kid up forever? Plenty of kids make stupid decisions and threaten violence but never follow through on it. Again, I'm not minimizing the severity of the situation, but I just don't see how it's reasonable to lock up every kid who makes a threat.

If the FBI went to his house, a minimum requirement should be that household weapons be secured. If the gun came from his house, the father should be put on trial.

That requires red flag laws.

People, tell your representatives that these policies are not optional if they want your vote.

We have power, but are too damn passive in the face of child carnage.

So, we have a national impassed based on what is considered the room cause of these issues. So, the correct way to address this is to propose gun safety regulations that work within the framework of what the Republican party has identified that they think are problems.

So, red flag laws where we mandate that any mental health professional that has identified risky or dangerous behavior from an adult or child that could be deemed a safety risk should have to report it. This isn't an actionable report, but there should be a national database of individuals that have mental health issues that could be a precursor to a danger to the community. If an adult with a mental health issue within the last X time is involved in any violent offense, any guns in the house need to be removed until such time as they are cleared by a mental health professional that they are no longer a danger to the community. They should not be allowed to purchase any guns during such a probationary period.

Children who have mental health issues should be flagged by schools. They need to advise parents of mental health issues and that parents need to plan to have their child evaluated by a mental health professional within a certain amount of time. If the parents do not have their child evaluated within that time and do not have an appointment scheduled, then the child can be suspended from school pending evaluation or a scheduled appointment. Additionally, if the child has not been evaluated and cleared by a mental health professional, then any guns within the home are to be removed from the home until the child is cleared by a mental health professional that they are not a danger to the community.

This directly addresses the primary excuse that Republicans use, that we don't have a gun issue, we have a mental health issue. If the Republicans are correct, then this should see a sharp drop in the number of school shootings. Since we are having dozens of school shootings annually, this should be observable if this is correct. And Republicans need to be willing to discuss alternative actions should this not cause a noticeable drop in the number of school shootings.

The shooter’s aunt says he was begging for mental health help.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/05/suspected-shooter-georgia-school-shooting-apalachee-high/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3eee88f%2F66d9e09861404d7cc2c4df87%2F596bc2b7ae7e8a44e7dcaab7%2F7%2F54%2F66d9e09861404d7cc2c4df87

That is why thinking that you can control it through parents is wrong.

We must restrict access to lethal means.

[Anonymous]

Georgia has no red flag laws. So red state legislators have blood on their hands.

Wonder how any grieving parents feel about not “getting” the import of sensible gun laws until now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know this is freedom of speech infringement but shutting down some of these nutty extremist online communities would probably help. I think this is part of the issue and addresses why this didn’t happen much in the past. It’s easier for people to find community for their messed up ideas and sink themselves into the internet. Mentally ill and chronologically online is a bad combination.

Tech companies are private entities not the government. The first amendment forbids the government from infringing on our right to free speech.

Tech companies are free to take responsibility for what is on their platforms and I would argue it’s legislation Congress should implement pronto.

But it’s a fool’s errand to have this conversation be framed by the GOP. We need a new SCOTUS to reverse Heller (and Dobbs).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Georgia has no red flag laws. So red state legislators have blood on their hands.

Wonder how any grieving parents feel about not “getting” the import of sensible gun laws until now?

Only 21 states have such laws.

https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/law/extreme-risk-law/

If yours does not, or they are not in effect where your grandchildren live, or where your kid goes to college , speak up—before it is too late.