Women, how has having kids impacted your career?

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read through all of this …. But I am a c-suite executive for a publicly traded company, was a partner at a law firm, and a mom of three kids.

I should start off by saying that I always wanted to have kids. I come from a big family and wanted that for myself. Not having kids for my career, or even waiting until my late 30s, was never something I considered.

Having kids may have slowed down the progression of my career a bit, but ultimately has made me a stronger leader in terms of emotional intelligence, empathy, and well-roundness. I have a very strong support system in terms of grandparents who wanted a big role and had a part-time nanny and a very supportive husband. I’m also lucky in that my kids are mostly healthy and not having special challenges outside of the norm - we’ve done all sorts of therapies and had our challenges, but nothing completely debilitating.

I love my career absolutely, but having kids has made my life richer in every single way. I may have been on the fast track to promotions a little faster with no kids, but ultimately realize that your work doesn’t love you back.



Yeah if grandparents will act as defacto parents it makes it very feasible.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-much-did-grandmothers-influence-human-evolution-180976665/
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If OP is still there - we had 1 kid. After DS was born and we got into a rhythm of work and daycare, we felt we were in a good spot and decided to stop there. Having a child has not affected my career in the slightest, but that is largely due to my bosses. My current one has three kids and handles many of the pick ups and drop offs and activities and appointments. He has always been emphatic about work/life balance.

Now if I had a jerk for a boss, and I had 4 kids instead of 1, and some of the kids had special needs - then yes, I'm sure juggling a career would be more difficult and sacrifices would need to be made.

But there is a huge amount of gray area in "having kids."
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Anonymous wrote:The kids don’t impact career it is the husband.


Sure your DH can kneecap his career and be more involved and do school pickup and run to 4 activities a week, you just impact his career as well as your own (though yours obv is less).

It very likely means you aggregate income drops precipitously if your DH was an ambitious professional, as being an “active dad” is way out side the norm of executive class so he will really stand out in a bad way.

But if he is already some dad-bod with a low paying career path, definitely have him ramp up to boost your career. It just having kids requires SOMEONE to have the chill career.


My husband is an “active dad” (which I would define as shared responsibility), and he is in the executive class. And I think everyone admires him. Or maybe they realize they would sound ridiculous if they didn’t? Or maybe they are scared of me? I do tend to speak my mind about equity in such matters when I’m at his work events.

Regardless, he’s made it happen. So men CAN do it. They just need to be brave enough and evolved enough to push back a bit.

But to other’s points about kids - we only have one child, and I know that helps a lot. It can still be draining. But I would not say my experience as a working mom (that travels a fair bit) is overwhelming.


So who is doing badly pickup from school and taking the kid to 5pm soccer and piano lessons?



I’m a DP. The answer to this varies as our schedules allow. My DH and I usually manage to WFH on different days. We also have carpools with other working families so we are each usually only “on” once a week. This is pretty standard in my neighborhood. The best executives I know schedule time in their days for their families. We work nights and weekends at home to catch up on any late day emergencies and plan for the next day/week. Modern communications makes this very easy. It’s not 1980.
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What a question. Did children hurt my career or did the career hurt my being a parent or did the spouse not pull their weight? A lot of people fall into one or two — and most families fall into three. I had children and divorced. Being a single parent absolutely impacted my career. I’m in a career which always starts through internships or connections and I was limited in what I could do for free and in how much networking I could do. Plus,people knew quickly I was a divorced mom - so actually being given a staff job took many years. On the other hand, I have a sibling who prioritized her career and had the grandparents pull much of the weight. Spouse did not do much as far as the kids go. They are now facing a failure to launch situation and regret leaving so much of the childcare to the wonderful grandparents. It’s hard for everything to work out perfectly and we women are quick to blame ourselves for whatever didn’t work out. In the end, you have to think about what kind of life you want to live and create that life. I think if a career is important to you and you want children, there is a difference on the impact of one child versus several. I would have been fine with one child, even as a single parent. But personally, I am glad I had all of mine.
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Anonymous wrote:When I see elderly people (or people of any age) who are sick in the hospital - the career does not matter. We’ve had people who were judges and surgeons who dedicated their lives to their work. At the end of the day, relationships with people by your side matter. Kids are a nice way (forced way) to make you look outside yourself and build those relationships. Whatever you do make sure you build *multi generational * relationships with people. It’s not all about career.


To be honest when you are old and dying, your children won’t matter either.

not in our case. My MIL just passed. She held on just long enough for DH to get to her, but her other children were around her.

IMO, she held on for her son to say goodbye.

No one laments not spending more time at the office on their death beds, but they do lament not spending more time with family.

Agree with PP, family matters for most people.

I'm not a kid person, but after seeing what my MIL went through, and now my own parents (one has dementia), I do think having children matters when you are elderly, for most people.


Nobody is lamenting not seeing their mom more.


Wow! We fight over seeing my elderly mom. My kid just flew across the country to attend his grandmother’s birthday. My other kid called her first when she got a job after a long-time unemployment. My mom is everyone’s favorite person. I’m sorry you didn’t have that experience.
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Net positive.
I suddenly had more in common with most of the world and more empathy.
I hated hiring nannies which influenced me to have only one DD.
The work world is even more flexible now than when I had my DD.
Also I worked for myself once she was 8.
Anonymous
One additional thought here from the C-suite executive. Having kids limited my geographic flexibility. We committed to not moving them unless really necessary. That limited our career prospects even though we have both done fine.
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The short of it is, my career has suffered, but my life has been enriched.

I did not see myself as a stay at home type; I was very career-oriented, with egalitarian ideals on sharing responsibilities with my spouse. After I had my first kid, I was really loathe to go back full-time, which surprised me. I went part-time (in nonprofits, more doable than in some other fields). I had a second kid. My spouse does a lot of kid related tasks (dr appointments, packing lunches, etc). I alternated between part-time prorated jobs and contract work on nonprofit projects for about 10 years. Still doing contract work for nonprofits, but full time.

If I had never stepped back and mommy tracked myself, I could have had much better earnings and seniority. But I have better work-life balance, and so it has worked out for me.

It really depends on which of these things is the priority for you. It does sting a little when I see colleagues who leaned in and now have senior positions. But, all in all, this has worked for me.
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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read through all of this …. But I am a c-suite executive for a publicly traded company, was a partner at a law firm, and a mom of three kids.

I should start off by saying that I always wanted to have kids. I come from a big family and wanted that for myself. Not having kids for my career, or even waiting until my late 30s, was never something I considered.

Having kids may have slowed down the progression of my career a bit, but ultimately has made me a stronger leader in terms of emotional intelligence, empathy, and well-roundness. I have a very strong support system in terms of grandparents who wanted a big role and had a part-time nanny and a very supportive husband. I’m also lucky in that my kids are mostly healthy and not having special challenges outside of the norm - we’ve done all sorts of therapies and had our challenges, but nothing completely debilitating.

I love my career absolutely, but having kids has made my life richer in every single way. I may have been on the fast track to promotions a little faster with no kids, but ultimately realize that your work doesn’t love you back.



Yeah if grandparents will act as defacto parents it makes it very feasible.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-much-did-grandmothers-influence-human-evolution-180976665/


You must be Asian? White American grandparents have zero interest in this. They raised their kids no help and are most likely in Florida playing pickle bowl. Or they are long dead or too old. My parents were dead by the time my oldest was 2.

My in-laws once a year i had a work Xmas party and watched kids. That was only time and they did not stay over. Wife would drop off three kids at 4pm and we pick up together at 11pm. They raised their kids no interest in doing it again.


At college drop last fall most parents were 50-70. At college graduation a lot of parents in their 60s. I doubt these parents are watching grandkids in their 80s


I’m the C-suite executive. No, not Asian. White and Jewish. Grandparents watched 1-2 days a week.


I personally believe Lincoln freed the slaves so no interest in being free forced labor in my old age. Watch your own kids or pay someone is my motto like every other person who retired to Florida to escape grown kids demanding slave labor from them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am on the fence about having them and would appreciate hearing the impact, positive or negative, that having children has had on your working life.



Most of you have been lied to. So-called work life balance is a grand myth designed to make you crazy. No man has it, nor does any woman have it. Each parent makes either a paycheck OR household/children their priority. Ideally, one parent is the primary wage earner, while the other takes primary charge of the home front.

Single parents are typically forced to prioritize the paycheck, so the children and home get whatever energy they have left over after earning that paycheck. If they’re lucky, there’s a grandparent willing and able to help.

Most parents do the best they can with whatever circumstances they have. No one has it easy or perfect in spite of what they post online.

OP, if your job/paycheck means the world to you, stick with that and forget about parenting. No one gets to do-it-all or have-it-all, all at the same time.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids don’t impact career it is the husband.


Sure your DH can kneecap his career and be more involved and do school pickup and run to 4 activities a week, you just impact his career as well as your own (though yours obv is less).

It very likely means you aggregate income drops precipitously if your DH was an ambitious professional, as being an “active dad” is way out side the norm of executive class so he will really stand out in a bad way.

But if he is already some dad-bod with a low paying career path, definitely have him ramp up to boost your career. It just having kids requires SOMEONE to have the chill career.


My husband is an “active dad” (which I would define as shared responsibility), and he is in the executive class. And I think everyone admires him. Or maybe they realize they would sound ridiculous if they didn’t? Or maybe they are scared of me? I do tend to speak my mind about equity in such matters when I’m at his work events.

Regardless, he’s made it happen. So men CAN do it. They just need to be brave enough and evolved enough to push back a bit.

But to other’s points about kids - we only have one child, and I know that helps a lot. It can still be draining. But I would not say my experience as a working mom (that travels a fair bit) is overwhelming.


So who is doing badly pickup from school and taking the kid to 5pm soccer and piano lessons?



I’m a DP. The answer to this varies as our schedules allow. My DH and I usually manage to WFH on different days. We also have carpools with other working families so we are each usually only “on” once a week. This is pretty standard in my neighborhood. The best executives I know schedule time in their days for their families. We work nights and weekends at home to catch up on any late day emergencies and plan for the next day/week. Modern communications makes this very easy. It’s not 1980.


Working nights and weekends I guess is fine, but pickup is 340 and our kids have actives at 5 4 nights a week, so you just don’t have meetings after 330 on those days? And have carpools that deep? All of our neighbors in Bethesda have SAHM so don’t really want to get involved in carpool a the hassle of other peoples kids.
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Anonymous wrote:The kids don’t impact career it is the husband.


Sure your DH can kneecap his career and be more involved and do school pickup and run to 4 activities a week, you just impact his career as well as your own (though yours obv is less).

It very likely means you aggregate income drops precipitously if your DH was an ambitious professional, as being an “active dad” is way out side the norm of executive class so he will really stand out in a bad way.

But if he is already some dad-bod with a low paying career path, definitely have him ramp up to boost your career. It just having kids requires SOMEONE to have the chill career.


My husband is an “active dad” (which I would define as shared responsibility), and he is in the executive class. And I think everyone admires him. Or maybe they realize they would sound ridiculous if they didn’t? Or maybe they are scared of me? I do tend to speak my mind about equity in such matters when I’m at his work events.

Regardless, he’s made it happen. So men CAN do it. They just need to be brave enough and evolved enough to push back a bit.

But to other’s points about kids - we only have one child, and I know that helps a lot. It can still be draining. But I would not say my experience as a working mom (that travels a fair bit) is overwhelming.


So who is doing badly pickup from school and taking the kid to 5pm soccer and piano lessons?



I’m a DP. The answer to this varies as our schedules allow. My DH and I usually manage to WFH on different days. We also have carpools with other working families so we are each usually only “on” once a week. This is pretty standard in my neighborhood. The best executives I know schedule time in their days for their families. We work nights and weekends at home to catch up on any late day emergencies and plan for the next day/week. Modern communications makes this very easy. It’s not 1980.


Working nights and weekends I guess is fine, but pickup is 340 and our kids have actives at 5 4 nights a week, so you just don’t have meetings after 330 on those days? And have carpools that deep? All of our neighbors in Bethesda have SAHM so don’t really want to get involved in carpool a the hassle of other peoples kids.


NP.

I’ve always scheduled my meeting to be fine by 3:30. If you have 3+ kids carpools are just a fact. I didn’t I had 2, so I didn’t need to carpool but I was always fine helping others out.

I would work 9-11pm after the kids went to sleep, if there was something pressing. It happened but not always.

My H had odd hours so he helped a lot in the am depending what decade we are discussing.

Kids really only have intense schedules in middle school (that’s 3 years) and HS they are pretty independent.

My son even does his activity in college so he had high level involvement.

I just think some people are really active and organized and others aren’t
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Anonymous wrote:The kids don’t impact career it is the husband.


Sure your DH can kneecap his career and be more involved and do school pickup and run to 4 activities a week, you just impact his career as well as your own (though yours obv is less).

It very likely means you aggregate income drops precipitously if your DH was an ambitious professional, as being an “active dad” is way out side the norm of executive class so he will really stand out in a bad way.

But if he is already some dad-bod with a low paying career path, definitely have him ramp up to boost your career. It just having kids requires SOMEONE to have the chill career.


My husband is an “active dad” (which I would define as shared responsibility), and he is in the executive class. And I think everyone admires him. Or maybe they realize they would sound ridiculous if they didn’t? Or maybe they are scared of me? I do tend to speak my mind about equity in such matters when I’m at his work events.

Regardless, he’s made it happen. So men CAN do it. They just need to be brave enough and evolved enough to push back a bit.

But to other’s points about kids - we only have one child, and I know that helps a lot. It can still be draining. But I would not say my experience as a working mom (that travels a fair bit) is overwhelming.


So who is doing badly pickup from school and taking the kid to 5pm soccer and piano lessons?



I’m a DP. The answer to this varies as our schedules allow. My DH and I usually manage to WFH on different days. We also have carpools with other working families so we are each usually only “on” once a week. This is pretty standard in my neighborhood. The best executives I know schedule time in their days for their families. We work nights and weekends at home to catch up on any late day emergencies and plan for the next day/week. Modern communications makes this very easy. It’s not 1980.


Working nights and weekends I guess is fine, but pickup is 340 and our kids have actives at 5 4 nights a week, so you just don’t have meetings after 330 on those days? And have carpools that deep? All of our neighbors in Bethesda have SAHM so don’t really want to get involved in carpool a the hassle of other peoples kids.


I’m home by five when I commute. I leave at 6:30 AM and DH handles departure those days. We have one middle schooler. We work at home a couple of days a week. Start early, end early, no meetings after 3 if I can help it. Calls are fine and happen at home or in the car or wherever. And yeah our carpool is deep. Kid takes the bus to and from school and can be home alone for a couple of hours if both of us get stuck. This was not possible when kid was little though. That was tough and we had no flexibility back then to WFH. Lots of before and aftercare $$$
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Anonymous wrote:The kids don’t impact career it is the husband.


Sure your DH can kneecap his career and be more involved and do school pickup and run to 4 activities a week, you just impact his career as well as your own (though yours obv is less).

It very likely means you aggregate income drops precipitously if your DH was an ambitious professional, as being an “active dad” is way out side the norm of executive class so he will really stand out in a bad way.

But if he is already some dad-bod with a low paying career path, definitely have him ramp up to boost your career. It just having kids requires SOMEONE to have the chill career.


My husband is an “active dad” (which I would define as shared responsibility), and he is in the executive class. And I think everyone admires him. Or maybe they realize they would sound ridiculous if they didn’t? Or maybe they are scared of me? I do tend to speak my mind about equity in such matters when I’m at his work events.

Regardless, he’s made it happen. So men CAN do it. They just need to be brave enough and evolved enough to push back a bit.

But to other’s points about kids - we only have one child, and I know that helps a lot. It can still be draining. But I would not say my experience as a working mom (that travels a fair bit) is overwhelming.


So who is doing badly pickup from school and taking the kid to 5pm soccer and piano lessons?



I’m a DP. The answer to this varies as our schedules allow. My DH and I usually manage to WFH on different days. We also have carpools with other working families so we are each usually only “on” once a week. This is pretty standard in my neighborhood. The best executives I know schedule time in their days for their families. We work nights and weekends at home to catch up on any late day emergencies and plan for the next day/week. Modern communications makes this very easy. It’s not 1980.


Working nights and weekends I guess is fine, but pickup is 340 and our kids have actives at 5 4 nights a week, so you just don’t have meetings after 330 on those days? And have carpools that deep? All of our neighbors in Bethesda have SAHM so don’t really want to get involved in carpool a the hassle of other peoples kids.


NP.

I’ve always scheduled my meeting to be fine by 3:30. If you have 3+ kids carpools are just a fact. I didn’t I had 2, so I didn’t need to carpool but I was always fine helping others out.

I would work 9-11pm after the kids went to sleep, if there was something pressing. It happened but not always.

My H had odd hours so he helped a lot in the am depending what decade we are discussing.

Kids really only have intense schedules in middle school (that’s 3 years) and HS they are pretty independent.

My son even does his activity in college so he had high level involvement.

I just think some people are really active and organized and others aren’t


What industry ends meetings at 330? As I was a rising manager to director, we often had meetings schedule at 4 and 5pm. If you bow out and say “kids!” It would stymie your advancement.

In zoom age there are more call in meetings but the last two decades, most meetings were in person
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