U Michigan EA results

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Anonymous wrote:But are the kids applying to 20 really getting into 15?

My own kid got into Wisconsin and Michigan Friday and is so thrilled with Michigan she’s not waiting to hear from her Ivy ED deferral or any more T20s. Withdrawing everything this week, declining her safety admits and enjoying the rest of her year.

She’s not waiting for her Ivy? Why not? She can still decline safeties.

DP, who wouldn't want to go to Michigan - all the resources in the world and a lot more fun that most of the Ivys.

Maybe…but I know my kid would want to know….even if she turned it down for MI

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You people really like Michigan. At $80k/yr consider your options.

If an academically comparable Ivy (say, Penn/Cornell/Columbia) costs 90K a year, what would you pay for Michigan?

Not comparable but also look at the resources available per student. It is a large public university but priced like an Ivy without the benefits.

I'd say academically comparable but far from comparable from a resources available perspective. Have a kid at Michigan and an Ivy, so know this first hand.

They can charge that OOS tuition because there are plenty of kids on Long Island with parents who will pay that. Regarding Michigan vs. Ivys, read in another forum about someone who went to UM instate instead of paying for an Ivy. The point is he wound up at Michigan Law with the Ivy graduates he would have met if he went that route. So he wound up in the same place and saved tens of thousands. Not a bad outcome.

[Anonymous]

Last years waiting list info from CDS on admitted students from WL:

Michigan: 77
Cornell: 260
Dartmouth: 41
Emory: 107
Georgetown: 40
WashU: 189

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Anonymous wrote:Perfect GPA >>> 4.7/4.0
ACT 34
Pres NHS
VP StuCo
Treas Key Club
2 Varsity sports 3 years
Capt of both sports 2 years
State qualifier 3 years for one sport
Top band
OOS
DEFERRED FOR ENGINEERING
😑

Your ACT was too low. Seriously, you’ll more than likely get in during RD. I assume you’re not going to withdraw your application.

This. A 4.0 UW should frankly have better than a 34. It proves grade inflation.

😂 We couldn’t afford test prep. She took some practice tests online and we splurged for her to take twice: 33 and then 34. Grade inflation? No bruh. She’s a A student and top of her class, but our HS doesn’t do class rankings. Again, if a 34 is too low, she would have gotten in with a 4.0 UW and no test score? Unfair to me, when we were trying to give UM as much info as possible.

Ignore this person making assertions about your kid and grade inflation. Mine had a 1520 SAT and perfect GPA, lots of rigor and activities. It’s numbers- the number of OOS applicants - and the fact that it’s engineering. They were right to submit scores - hopefully RD will work out.

How can u afford Mich OOS but not test prep?? Mich gives very little aid to OOS so sounds like you can’t afford it if you were to get in.

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Anonymous wrote:You people really like Michigan. At $80k/yr consider your options.

If an academically comparable Ivy (say, Penn/Cornell/Columbia) costs 90K a year, what would you pay for Michigan?

Not comparable but also look at the resources available per student. It is a large public university but priced like an Ivy without the benefits.

I'd say academically comparable but far from comparable from a resources available perspective. Have a kid at Michigan and an Ivy, so know this first hand.

Could you please elaborate. Very interested. This would be helpful to everyone. What is the resource difference that you see?

Not PP but the issues at large publics are extremely large classes, difficulty enrolling in required courses and courses of interest due to limited space, limited personal interaction with faculty, limited advising, the quality of housing and dining services, etc. The resources per student are much smaller and it can have a real impact such as having to delay graduation because of difficulty enrolling in courses and the challenges of getting to know faculty that write recommendation letters.

How large do the intro classes actually get?

They are limited by the largest lecture halls available. This course at Michigan has almost 1,000 students and isn’t even the largest. https://cse.engin.umich.edu/stories/eecs-280-becomes-third-largest-course-at-u-m

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I bet a lot of people who got into both will decline wisconsin now.

There are not a lot of people admitted to both. Rare.

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Anonymous wrote:You people really like Michigan. At $80k/yr consider your options.

If an academically comparable Ivy (say, Penn/Cornell/Columbia) costs 90K a year, what would you pay for Michigan?

Not comparable but also look at the resources available per student. It is a large public university but priced like an Ivy without the benefits.

I'd say academically comparable but far from comparable from a resources available perspective. Have a kid at Michigan and an Ivy, so know this first hand.

Could you please elaborate. Very interested. This would be helpful to everyone. What is the resource difference that you see?

Not PP but the issues at large publics are extremely large classes, difficulty enrolling in required courses and courses of interest due to limited space, limited personal interaction with faculty, limited advising, the quality of housing and dining services, etc. The resources per student are much smaller and it can have a real impact such as having to delay graduation because of difficulty enrolling in courses and the challenges of getting to know faculty that write recommendation letters.

I'm the original pp with kids at both places. Most of these are non-issues at Michigan. DC has no issues with faculty interaction, class sizes, or dining services, etc. Housing is an issue at every college town. Had one issue with course enrollment where everyone but DC dropped the course and the school just cancelled it (after the add/drop deadline) without providing an alternative and no one was able to help, but other than that has had no issues with getting classes as long as you meet the requirements. Enrollment is based on priority.

Having said that, for a lot of things, you are on your own at Michigan - Internships, finding research opportunities (there are plenty but no one is actively pointing in the right direction), recruitment support (mediocre), etc. The kids have to do a lot of the legwork to get internships. DC has friends in Engineering (juniors; 'really smart' according to DC) who have not had an internship yet.

Ivies seem to be watching out for their kids. They find them opportunities and make sure they are covered. Of course, you still have to apply and such, but the competition is way less. One winter, DC2 got a fully paid short internship/project (2 weeks) which involved a visit to a foreign country and they were 'treated like royalty', without spending a dime. They were encouraged to apply and got it without much fuss. None of that at Michigan. Housing seems to be a function of location. Friends have reported terrible housing situation in Philly, for example.

In balance, if you have the option, go with an Ivy vs a top Public, even if your program of study is not as highly ranked.

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Anonymous wrote:But are the kids applying to 20 really getting into 15?

My own kid got into Wisconsin and Michigan Friday and is so thrilled with Michigan she’s not waiting to hear from her Ivy ED deferral or any more T20s. Withdrawing everything this week, declining her safety admits and enjoying the rest of her year.

She’s not waiting for her Ivy? Why not? She can still decline safeties.[/quot

I bet a lot of people who got into both will decline wisconsin now.

OP here - because she has worked so hard and yes, Michigan seems like a lot of fun and just as good of an academic experience as the ivies. She wants the rah rah and to be around a lot of smart kids doing great things. (Plus she wants to move on to the fun of finding a roommate, buying merch, meeting other incoming Wolverines online. She’s just plain done!)

[Anonymous]

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My view - these schools have over-rotated on 1G/LI/URM in the early round with these kids sitting in many EA/ED offers and most waiting for RD (financial aid) so that it’s entirely possible to see some kids getting acceptances to all T15 or T20 schools. (Seeing it at our private). But they can only go to one school.

So they’ll visit the top choices in April, compare $$ offers, and accept. Meanwhile declining 14-19 spots, opening the door for WL movement.

Without effective algorithms and yield management, this could be a flurry of WL activity.

The other kids fight for a spot but realistically prob go OPS flagship or a T50 if they applied widely.

Totally agree, this cycle is different. I know, I know, every year says that. I am on the 3rd (and final child) of this with my senior and with the Supreme Court ruling I think we are in a totally unprecedented cycle and landscape. In our school kids are applying to 25-50% more schools than just 2-3 years ago. Everyone maxing out common app of 20. My DC just 3 years ago applied to 10ish, now standard is 15-20 in our school. I think we're going to see A LOT of WL movement into July.

[Anonymous]

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My view - these schools have over-rotated on 1G/LI/URM in the early round with these kids sitting in many EA/ED offers and most waiting for RD (financial aid) so that it’s entirely possible to see some kids getting acceptances to all T15 or T20 schools. (Seeing it at our private). But they can only go to one school.

So they’ll visit the top choices in April, compare $$ offers, and accept. Meanwhile declining 14-19 spots, opening the door for WL movement.

Without effective algorithms and yield management, this could be a flurry of WL activity.

The other kids fight for a spot but realistically prob go OPS flagship or a T50 if they applied widely.

Totally agree, this cycle is different. I know, I know, every year says that. I am on the 3rd (and final child) of this with my senior and with the Supreme Court ruling I think we are in a totally unprecedented cycle and landscape. In our school kids are applying to 25-50% more schools than just 2-3 years ago. Everyone maxing out common app of 20. My DC just 3 years ago applied to 10ish, now standard is 15-20 in our school. I think we're going to see A LOT of WL movement into July.

Thx. Are you at a private?

You are responding to me, and your story is what we are all seeing too. And counselors are pretty confused. And yes everyone maxed out to 20, incl my kid.

No rejections, but a lot of deferrals to date. Acceptances from targets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Last years waiting list info from CDS on admitted students from WL:

Michigan: 77
Cornell: 260
Dartmouth: 41
Emory: 107
Georgetown: 40
WashU: 189

This is interesting. Was last year a “normal” year?

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Anonymous wrote:DC: 3.95, 1580 from Big 3.

Astonishing that someone with these stats is bothering to apply to you of them. Others from the big three with such stats, almost surely end up at IV and other schools much higher ranked than Michigan.
Something seems fishy

You of them is clawing its way up the ladder. Pretty impressive when you think how many people east of Pittsburgh think the Midwest is only good for growing corn & rust.

Stop trying to make "you of them" happen, Gretchen.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But are the kids applying to 20 really getting into 15?

My own kid got into Wisconsin and Michigan Friday and is so thrilled with Michigan she’s not waiting to hear from her Ivy ED deferral or any more T20s. Withdrawing everything this week, declining her safety admits and enjoying the rest of her year.

She’s not waiting for her Ivy? Why not? She can still decline safeties.

DP, who wouldn't want to go to Michigan - all the resources in the world and a lot more fun that most of the Ivys.

My kid. He doesn’t like large schools like that. Perfect for him is closer to 3-6k students not 30k. He’s not into football either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But are the kids applying to 20 really getting into 15?

My own kid got into Wisconsin and Michigan Friday and is so thrilled with Michigan she’s not waiting to hear from her Ivy ED deferral or any more T20s. Withdrawing everything this week, declining her safety admits and enjoying the rest of her year.

She’s not waiting for her Ivy? Why not? She can still decline safeties.[/quot

I bet a lot of people who got into both will decline wisconsin now.

OP here - because she has worked so hard and yes, Michigan seems like a lot of fun and just as good of an academic experience as the ivies. She wants the rah rah and to be around a lot of smart kids doing great things. (Plus she wants to move on to the fun of finding a roommate, buying merch, meeting other incoming Wolverines online. She’s just plain done!)

Good for you and your daughter to accept the amazing offer right in front of you rather than wait for some pie in the sky that won’t be nearly as much fun! She won’t regret it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Last years waiting list info from CDS on admitted students from WL:

Michigan: 77
Cornell: 260
Dartmouth: 41
Emory: 107
Georgetown: 40
WashU: 189

Oh wow, I’m surprised by 77 for UofM. My niece’s school had multiple admits from the waitlist, at least 4, maybe more. But it’s an in-state school with kids who have no financial need.