Safe schools for a Jewish kid.

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I wonder if he actually knows and feels passionate about the subject or was looking to get his aggression out and happened to select a particularly despicable approach.

I feel like most of these “pro-Palestinian protesters” are just generally angry/nasty/bored people who read a tweet or watched a TikTok and suddenly consider themselves an expert in the field and decide to protest as a way to fuel their narcissism and spend time NOT studying.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if he actually knows and feels passionate about the subject or was looking to get his aggression out and happened to select a particularly despicable approach.

I feel like most of these “pro-Palestinian protesters” are just generally angry/nasty/bored people who read a tweet or watched a TikTok and suddenly consider themselves an expert in the field and decide to protest as a way to fuel their narcissism and spend time NOT studying.

Maybe. Totally agree about the narcissism

Harvard, Columbia, Cooper Union, Penn, UCLA, Cornell

Some serious hate going on campuses today

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Anonymous wrote:You could just as easily create threads called:

Safe schools for Asian students
Safe schools for LGBTQ students
Safe schools for Black students
Safe schools for female students
Safe schools for Muslim students

How about safe schools in general? Where can our kids go where school is just about school?

I'm afraid OP is just another culture warrior trying to use a sincere worry and throw gas on it for political purposes.

There is a politics forum for that

Those groups may all be marginalized but no one is marching around calling for their murder. Jewish students are under particular threat right now. Please open your eyes and acknowledge it!

Really? No one is walking around calling for the murder of Muslims or in fact murdering them? Do you watch the news? A man murdered a Muslim CHILD for being muslim in IL a week ago. A Muslim pediatrician was murdered YESTERDAY in MD for being Muslim. Police are out here murdering unarmed black people everyday and have been for years? An entire political party is not out here trying to exterminate LGBTQIA people? Please!

that pediatrician was in Texas- not MD. Jeez, you scared me, im Pakistani ( and have tons of drs in my friends and family, physicians are often subject to violent attacks b/c they have a public facing job) and freaked out! Its not a safe place for jews or muslims right now but the truth is that bigoted hateful people have a muscle memory of mob violence against Jews and Muslims are also more resilient b/c we have experienced this recently and only recently. we dont have a millennia long history of pograms and fear, we mostly come from civilizations that were equal to anyone else and strong, not minority populations that were subject to violence. We dont have that history of being victimized and hunted so even though its dangerous for us, I think most muslim people aren't triggered by historical trauma. So far only muslims have actually died but lets hope that there aren't any large scale attacks on Muslim or Jewish centers/schools.

True. Historically, Muslims are the ones who commit violence against others.

No one holds a candle to mid 20th century Protestants. Not even close.

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A Chinese kid? Oh, the shame he has brought to his family…

This is insane.

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This is why I went to a Jewish university. You won't have to deal with this at Yeshiva University or Touro.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools in Virginia are safe for a Jewish girl??

I just want to say I am sorry that you have to ask this question. I don’t think it is crazy FYI. I don’t have a Va answer (not any information that I am familiar with) but Catholic schools tend to be very supportive and always have had a strong Jewish community. Boston College is less churchy than Notre Dame FWIW

You mention BC but I'd emphasize that BC is Jesuit and those universities in particular are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations.

Agree that Catholic schools are a good choice, as they all are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations, and politics.

Re: ND in particular, Notre Dame is home to the Kroc Institute of International Peace Studies. The lecture on the current situation was standing room only. https://kroc.nd.edu/news-events/ It's statement: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/an-open-letter-for-peace-from-the-kroc-institute/

ND Jewish Club: https://notredameday.nd.edu/organizations/jewish-club-of-notre-dame

Also, ND has had a longstanding program in Israel: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/from-the-archives-notre-dame-in-jerusalem/

Old article on Jewish students at ND through history, including several Rabbis. https://sites.nd.edu/ndarchives/jewish-students-at-notre-dame/ adn a more recent OpEd: https://www.jewishoncampus.org/media/jewish-on-a-catholic-campus-the-joc-ambassador-programs-impact-at-notre-dame

Do non-Christians get to opt out of the two required Christian-based theology classes?
https://theology.nd.edu/about/the-university-requirement-for-theology/

Can't speak to ND but at Jesuit schools, the 2 theology course requirement is not a Christian-based theology requirement. There are many choices and are often akin to history or philosophy courses where the subject explores a particular religion or a set of religions.

I was surprised to read that the ND requirement is so focused on the New Testament.

I wonder if it was always like that or if it's become more deeply "Catholic" in recent years.

I don't think you can look at the title of the course and know what it is actually about. My DS took a class with New Testament in the title, but they actually studied Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, the geographic and historic context of the life of Jesus, and the study of how, when, and by whom the New Testament texts were written. Fascinating course.

"Courses that fulfill the foundation requirement focus on what Vatican II states to be the “permanent foundation” of theology: “the written Word of God taken together with sacred tradition,” i.e. Scripture and Tradition."

This first course in theology offers a critical study of the Bible and early Christian tradition. Following an introduction to the Old and New Testaments, students follow major post-biblical developments in Christian life and worship (e.g., liturgy, theology, doctrine, asceticism), emphasizing the first five centuries.

If you've had a course like this, that description fits exactly with the above description: e.g., the critical study of the Bible in the old testament would include learning about the A, B, C and D writers and which segments and in what languages they were written, etc. "Scripture and early Christian tradition" would include studying theological philosophers who inform the tradition (Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Anselm of Canterbury), etc." It isn't Catechism. It is an academic course. At least where I've studied it (not ND). Note that emphasizing the first five centuries makes it an intellectual, historical course.

I am curious about what you expected it to be?

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Anonymous wrote:What schools in Virginia are safe for a Jewish girl??

I just want to say I am sorry that you have to ask this question. I don’t think it is crazy FYI. I don’t have a Va answer (not any information that I am familiar with) but Catholic schools tend to be very supportive and always have had a strong Jewish community. Boston College is less churchy than Notre Dame FWIW

You mention BC but I'd emphasize that BC is Jesuit and those universities in particular are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations.

Agree that Catholic schools are a good choice, as they all are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations, and politics.

Re: ND in particular, Notre Dame is home to the Kroc Institute of International Peace Studies. The lecture on the current situation was standing room only. https://kroc.nd.edu/news-events/ It's statement: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/an-open-letter-for-peace-from-the-kroc-institute/

ND Jewish Club: https://notredameday.nd.edu/organizations/jewish-club-of-notre-dame

Also, ND has had a longstanding program in Israel: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/from-the-archives-notre-dame-in-jerusalem/

Old article on Jewish students at ND through history, including several Rabbis. https://sites.nd.edu/ndarchives/jewish-students-at-notre-dame/ adn a more recent OpEd: https://www.jewishoncampus.org/media/jewish-on-a-catholic-campus-the-joc-ambassador-programs-impact-at-notre-dame

Do non-Christians get to opt out of the two required Christian-based theology classes?
https://theology.nd.edu/about/the-university-requirement-for-theology/

Can't speak to ND but at Jesuit schools, the 2 theology course requirement is not a Christian-based theology requirement. There are many choices and are often akin to history or philosophy courses where the subject explores a particular religion or a set of religions.

I was surprised to read that the ND requirement is so focused on the New Testament.

I wonder if it was always like that or if it's become more deeply "Catholic" in recent years.

I don't think you can look at the title of the course and know what it is actually about. My DS took a class with New Testament in the title, but they actually studied Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, the geographic and historic context of the life of Jesus, and the study of how, when, and by whom the New Testament texts were written. Fascinating course.

"Courses that fulfill the foundation requirement focus on what Vatican II states to be the “permanent foundation” of theology: “the written Word of God taken together with sacred tradition,” i.e. Scripture and Tradition."

This first course in theology offers a critical study of the Bible and early Christian tradition. Following an introduction to the Old and New Testaments, students follow major post-biblical developments in Christian life and worship (e.g., liturgy, theology, doctrine, asceticism), emphasizing the first five centuries.

If you've had a course like this, that description fits exactly with the above description: e.g., the critical study of the Bible in the old testament would include learning about the A, B, C and D writers and which segments and in what languages they were written, etc. "Scripture and early Christian tradition" would include studying theological philosophers who inform the tradition (Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Anselm of Canterbury), etc." It isn't Catechism. It is an academic course. At least where I've studied it (not ND). Note that emphasizing the first five centuries makes it an intellectual, historical course.

I am curious about what you expected it to be?

Aren’t they all “academic courses”?

It’s something for students to consider when looking at Catholic schools. It was actually one of the main reasons why I personally passed on ND years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools in Virginia are safe for a Jewish girl??

I just want to say I am sorry that you have to ask this question. I don’t think it is crazy FYI. I don’t have a Va answer (not any information that I am familiar with) but Catholic schools tend to be very supportive and always have had a strong Jewish community. Boston College is less churchy than Notre Dame FWIW

You mention BC but I'd emphasize that BC is Jesuit and those universities in particular are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations.

Agree that Catholic schools are a good choice, as they all are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations, and politics.

Re: ND in particular, Notre Dame is home to the Kroc Institute of International Peace Studies. The lecture on the current situation was standing room only. https://kroc.nd.edu/news-events/ It's statement: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/an-open-letter-for-peace-from-the-kroc-institute/

ND Jewish Club: https://notredameday.nd.edu/organizations/jewish-club-of-notre-dame

Also, ND has had a longstanding program in Israel: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/from-the-archives-notre-dame-in-jerusalem/

Old article on Jewish students at ND through history, including several Rabbis. https://sites.nd.edu/ndarchives/jewish-students-at-notre-dame/ adn a more recent OpEd: https://www.jewishoncampus.org/media/jewish-on-a-catholic-campus-the-joc-ambassador-programs-impact-at-notre-dame

Do non-Christians get to opt out of the two required Christian-based theology classes?
https://theology.nd.edu/about/the-university-requirement-for-theology/

Can't speak to ND but at Jesuit schools, the 2 theology course requirement is not a Christian-based theology requirement. There are many choices and are often akin to history or philosophy courses where the subject explores a particular religion or a set of religions.

I was surprised to read that the ND requirement is so focused on the New Testament.

I wonder if it was always like that or if it's become more deeply "Catholic" in recent years.

I don't think you can look at the title of the course and know what it is actually about. My DS took a class with New Testament in the title, but they actually studied Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, the geographic and historic context of the life of Jesus, and the study of how, when, and by whom the New Testament texts were written. Fascinating course.

"Courses that fulfill the foundation requirement focus on what Vatican II states to be the “permanent foundation” of theology: “the written Word of God taken together with sacred tradition,” i.e. Scripture and Tradition."

This first course in theology offers a critical study of the Bible and early Christian tradition. Following an introduction to the Old and New Testaments, students follow major post-biblical developments in Christian life and worship (e.g., liturgy, theology, doctrine, asceticism), emphasizing the first five centuries.

If you've had a course like this, that description fits exactly with the above description: e.g., the critical study of the Bible in the old testament would include learning about the A, B, C and D writers and which segments and in what languages they were written, etc. "Scripture and early Christian tradition" would include studying theological philosophers who inform the tradition (Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Anselm of Canterbury), etc." It isn't Catechism. It is an academic course. At least where I've studied it (not ND). Note that emphasizing the first five centuries makes it an intellectual, historical course.

I am curious about what you expected it to be?

Aren’t they all “academic courses”?

It’s something for students to consider when looking at Catholic schools. It was actually one of the main reasons why I personally passed on ND years ago.

Because you didn’t want to learn about the Bible or the history of Christianity?

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I think at this point a catholic or Christian college would be one of the safer environments, which seems really ironic.

This article discusses the connection between left-leaning ideologies in academia and anti-semitism https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/queering-antisemitism

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A Chinese kid? Oh, the shame he has brought to his family…

Counting down to some sob story emerging about a mental breakdown and a resulting slap on the wrist. Because it could happen to everyone and we should not ruin a promising young life over something as trivial as threatening to kill a few Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I went to a Jewish university. You won't have to deal with this at Yeshiva University or Touro.

To be fair, my daughter doesn’t have to deal with this at her non-flagship state school either. Not too many privileged kids, so the students there have to deal with real life issues - no $$$ for luxury beliefs, no time for posturing.

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Definitely not what I was expecting.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools in Virginia are safe for a Jewish girl??

I just want to say I am sorry that you have to ask this question. I don’t think it is crazy FYI. I don’t have a Va answer (not any information that I am familiar with) but Catholic schools tend to be very supportive and always have had a strong Jewish community. Boston College is less churchy than Notre Dame FWIW

You mention BC but I'd emphasize that BC is Jesuit and those universities in particular are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations.

Agree that Catholic schools are a good choice, as they all are supportive and encourage communication and understanding across cultures, religions, nations, and politics.

Re: ND in particular, Notre Dame is home to the Kroc Institute of International Peace Studies. The lecture on the current situation was standing room only. https://kroc.nd.edu/news-events/ It's statement: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/an-open-letter-for-peace-from-the-kroc-institute/

ND Jewish Club: https://notredameday.nd.edu/organizations/jewish-club-of-notre-dame

Also, ND has had a longstanding program in Israel: https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/10/from-the-archives-notre-dame-in-jerusalem/

Old article on Jewish students at ND through history, including several Rabbis. https://sites.nd.edu/ndarchives/jewish-students-at-notre-dame/ adn a more recent OpEd: https://www.jewishoncampus.org/media/jewish-on-a-catholic-campus-the-joc-ambassador-programs-impact-at-notre-dame

Do non-Christians get to opt out of the two required Christian-based theology classes?
https://theology.nd.edu/about/the-university-requirement-for-theology/

Can't speak to ND but at Jesuit schools, the 2 theology course requirement is not a Christian-based theology requirement. There are many choices and are often akin to history or philosophy courses where the subject explores a particular religion or a set of religions.

I was surprised to read that the ND requirement is so focused on the New Testament.

I wonder if it was always like that or if it's become more deeply "Catholic" in recent years.

I don't think you can look at the title of the course and know what it is actually about. My DS took a class with New Testament in the title, but they actually studied Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, the geographic and historic context of the life of Jesus, and the study of how, when, and by whom the New Testament texts were written. Fascinating course.

"Courses that fulfill the foundation requirement focus on what Vatican II states to be the “permanent foundation” of theology: “the written Word of God taken together with sacred tradition,” i.e. Scripture and Tradition."

This first course in theology offers a critical study of the Bible and early Christian tradition. Following an introduction to the Old and New Testaments, students follow major post-biblical developments in Christian life and worship (e.g., liturgy, theology, doctrine, asceticism), emphasizing the first five centuries.

If you've had a course like this, that description fits exactly with the above description: e.g., the critical study of the Bible in the old testament would include learning about the A, B, C and D writers and which segments and in what languages they were written, etc. "Scripture and early Christian tradition" would include studying theological philosophers who inform the tradition (Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Anselm of Canterbury), etc." It isn't Catechism. It is an academic course. At least where I've studied it (not ND). Note that emphasizing the first five centuries makes it an intellectual, historical course.

I am curious about what you expected it to be?

Aren’t they all “academic courses”?

It’s something for students to consider when looking at Catholic schools. It was actually one of the main reasons why I personally passed on ND years ago.

Because you didn’t want to learn about the Bible or the history of Christianity?

Correct. I had other interests and didn’t want to have that requirement.

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A Chinese kid? Oh, the shame he has brought to his family…

Counting down to some sob story emerging about a mental breakdown and a resulting slap on the wrist. Because it could happen to everyone and we should not ruin a promising young life over something as trivial as threatening to kill a few Jews.

I actually do hope it is something like that and it isn’t some deep hatred of Jewish people. Mental health is treatable. Bigotry is tougher to overcome.

Either way, he should not get a slap on the wrist. He should absolutely be held accountable for his truly despicable posts and the terror they caused. No tolerance for hate crimes.

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Anonymous wrote:I think at this point a catholic or Christian college would be one of the safer environments, which seems really ironic.

This article discusses the connection between left-leaning ideologies in academia and anti-semitism https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/queering-antisemitism

Thanks! That is an excellent article; and eye-opening!