Thomas Jefferson High School drops to 5th in latest US News ranking

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https://ecorner.stanford.edu/articles/ignoring-diversity-hurts-tech-products-and-ventures/

https://www.userinterviews.com/blog/design-failure-examples-caused-by-bias-noninclusive-ux-research

https://digitalcommons.fiu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1002&context=succeed

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

Unique perspectives and ideas help w/problem solving.

Look at how many design flaws resulted from only utilizing white, male engineers.

Please explain how race/gender prevents engineering failures.

One example:

https://www.businessinsider.com/in-every-reported-false-arrests-based-on-facial-recognition-that-person-has-been-black-2023-8?amp

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The Class of 2026 was the first TJ class in 35 years to be majority-female. Generally speaking, classes have been 55-60% male.

Is giving Asian girls a fair shot a bad thing?

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There aren’t quotas. There are seats open to all MSs - if and only if they have qualified applicants.

There are, effectively, quotas for each middle school, based on rather minimal academic qualifications.

You should defend the set-asides for every middle school if you think they're warranted, not pretend they aren't quotas.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Race is not considered during the admissions process.

And Asians have the highest rate and number of admissions. So...

No discrimination.

Don't lie. The main reason to keep changing the admission process is to engineer the racial demographic

Nope. It was to provide opportunities to kids from ALL middle schools.

You cannot get free rides all the time. At some point in your life you have to work hard to get ahead.

Nobody here is getting a “free ride”. Kids are all working hard. Now, hard working kids from more MSs have access to TJ. It’s a good thing.

You deny it because you feel shame to accept the reality.

There is no shame that hard-working, well-qualified kids from more MSs now have access to TJ.

Source/ any data to support your comment?
Why do you need quota then?
Why not compete fairly with others?

All kids met GPA/course criteria. These kids have higher GPAs, on average, than before the change.

Then why there are quotas in the system?
You still don't want to admit the reality.

There aren’t race-based quotas. There are seats open to all MSs - if and only if they have qualified applicants.

Come on. Each locality has a certain demographic composition. FCPS just masks their race-based intent.
You can't be that naive, right?

The biggest change was better representation of kids from low-income families. Prior to the change, kids from economically-disadvantaged families were <1% of the class.

Also, the # of women admitted (for class of 2025) increased more than any other group.

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Anonymous wrote:The Class of 2026 was the first TJ class in 35 years to be majority-female. Generally speaking, classes have been 55-60% male.

Is giving Asian girls a fair shot a bad thing?

Neither good nor bad.
The best school is for the best candidate. Why discriminate?
I don't judge based on race and gender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There aren’t quotas. There are seats open to all MSs - if and only if they have qualified applicants.

There are, effectively, quotas for each middle school, based on rather minimal academic qualifications.

You should defend the set-asides for every middle school if you think they're warranted, not pretend they aren't quotas.

No, there are no minimum number of students from each middle school.

If and only if a middle school has qualified students, then they can send students. If they don't have qualified students then they don't send any students.

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Anonymous wrote:The Class of 2026 was the first TJ class in 35 years to be majority-female. Generally speaking, classes have been 55-60% male.

Is giving Asian girls a fair shot a bad thing?

Neither good nor bad.
The best school is for the best candidate. Why discriminate?
I don't judge based on race and gender.

Neither does TJ admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:The data differences are minuscule at the top. This is no biggie. I'm glad there are now other contenders!

Seriously, as if this matters at all! And ranking high schools is ridiculous anyway. Across the country, most people go to the neighborhood high school, even the geniuses.

Yes, the ranking is not that important. It just reminds people of the unfair admission process TJ has.

How so? The ranking is based on data prior to the admissions change

Do you think a system with quotas is fair and moral?
Do you think it is good to put quotas on hiring people, getting government officials, and even the president?

There aren’t quotas. There are seats open to all MSs - if and only if they have qualified applicants.

The top 1.5% of the size of the 8th-grade class will automatically be admitted. For example, if a school has 400 8th-grade students, then 1.5% of 400 (or 6 students) would automatically be admitted. They will repeat this process for each public middle school. This will take up approximately 300 of the 550 total seats, and are referred to as "allocated" seats.

More than 50% of seats are "allocated", which is "Quota".

If the "entitled" kids can get into TJ by their own merit, why FCPS make this "allocated" BS.

Do you see "allocated" seats for the presidents?

Our Congress has representation from all states.

And, no, middle schools can send less than (or more) than 1.5%.

If they don't have any qualified students, then they don't send any. It's not a "quota".

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Race is not considered during the admissions process.

And Asians have the highest rate and number of admissions. So...

No discrimination.

Don't lie. The main reason to keep changing the admission process is to engineer the racial demographic

Nope. It was to provide opportunities to kids from ALL middle schools.

You cannot get free rides all the time. At some point in your life you have to work hard to get ahead.

Nobody here is getting a “free ride”. Kids are all working hard. Now, hard working kids from more MSs have access to TJ. It’s a good thing.

You deny it because you feel shame to accept the reality.

There is no shame that hard-working, well-qualified kids from more MSs now have access to TJ.

Source/ any data to support your comment?
Why do you need quota then?
Why not compete fairly with others?

All kids met GPA/course criteria. These kids have higher GPAs, on average, than before the change.

Then why there are quotas in the system?
You still don't want to admit the reality.

There aren’t race-based quotas. There are seats open to all MSs - if and only if they have qualified applicants.

Come on. Each locality has a certain demographic composition. FCPS just masks their race-based intent.
You can't be that naive, right?

The biggest change was better representation of kids from low-income families. Prior to the change, kids from economically-disadvantaged families were <1% of the class.

Also, the # of women admitted (for class of 2025) increased more than any other group.

FCPS can do that in a fair, moral, and more productive way.
For examples:
- Additional programs to help URM students (free tutoring, music lessons, extracurricular classes)
- Build more STEM schools
- Encourage URM kids to STEM activities starting from Pre-K

Taking seats away from applicants with higher credentials is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Race is not considered during the admissions process.

And Asians have the highest rate and number of admissions. So...

No discrimination.

Don't lie. The main reason to keep changing the admission process is to engineer the racial demographic

Nope. It was to provide opportunities to kids from ALL middle schools.

You cannot get free rides all the time. At some point in your life you have to work hard to get ahead.

Nobody here is getting a “free ride”. Kids are all working hard. Now, hard working kids from more MSs have access to TJ. It’s a good thing.

You deny it because you feel shame to accept the reality.

There is no shame that hard-working, well-qualified kids from more MSs now have access to TJ.

Source/ any data to support your comment?
Why do you need quota then?
Why not compete fairly with others?

All kids met GPA/course criteria. These kids have higher GPAs, on average, than before the change.

Then why there are quotas in the system?
You still don't want to admit the reality.

There aren’t race-based quotas. There are seats open to all MSs - if and only if they have qualified applicants.

Come on. Each locality has a certain demographic composition. FCPS just masks their race-based intent.
You can't be that naive, right?

The biggest change was better representation of kids from low-income families. Prior to the change, kids from economically-disadvantaged families were <1% of the class.

Also, the # of women admitted (for class of 2025) increased more than any other group.

FCPS can do that in a fair, moral, and more productive way.
For examples:
- Additional programs to help URM students (free tutoring, music lessons, extracurricular classes)
- Build more STEM schools
- Encourage URM kids to STEM activities starting from Pre-K

Taking seats away from applicants with higher credentials is wrong.

Nobody is entitled to a seat at TJ. There are way more qualified applicants than there are seats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The data differences are minuscule at the top. This is no biggie. I'm glad there are now other contenders!

Seriously, as if this matters at all! And ranking high schools is ridiculous anyway. Across the country, most people go to the neighborhood high school, even the geniuses.

Yes, the ranking is not that important. It just reminds people of the unfair admission process TJ has.

How so? The ranking is based on data prior to the admissions change

Do you think a system with quotas is fair and moral?
Do you think it is good to put quotas on hiring people, getting government officials, and even the president?

There aren’t quotas. There are seats open to all MSs - if and only if they have qualified applicants.

The top 1.5% of the size of the 8th-grade class will automatically be admitted. For example, if a school has 400 8th-grade students, then 1.5% of 400 (or 6 students) would automatically be admitted. They will repeat this process for each public middle school. This will take up approximately 300 of the 550 total seats, and are referred to as "allocated" seats.

More than 50% of seats are "allocated", which is "Quota".

If the "entitled" kids can get into TJ by their own merit, why FCPS make this "allocated" BS.

Do you see "allocated" seats for the presidents?

Our Congress has representation from all states.

And, no, middle schools can send less than (or more) than 1.5%.

If they don't have any qualified students, then they don't send any. It's not a "quota".

Yeah, if you lower the qualification, everyone qualifies.
TJ should admit the best candidate, regardless of race/gender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

What Justice Roberts describes is not a “pernicious stereotype”. It is a reality that sadly centers around the fact that the experience of Black, Hispanic, and poor Americans is fundamentally different in America - just as it is in many ways for Asians - solely because of the color of their skin.

That will continue to be the case until we actually treat folks in those underrepresented groups with the same dignity and respect as everyone else AS A SOCIETY.

If we want it to no longer be the case that “a Black person can offer something that a white person cannot offer”…

… a good place to start would be to stop spewing this nonsense that Black kids are too lazy, or that Black families don’t care about education, and on and on and on.

The kids at TJ are learning this by being exposed to academically motivated kids from those cultures - probably for the first time in their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Race is not considered during the admissions process.

And Asians have the highest rate and number of admissions. So...

No discrimination.

Don't lie. The main reason to keep changing the admission process is to engineer the racial demographic

Nope. It was to provide opportunities to kids from ALL middle schools.

You cannot get free rides all the time. At some point in your life you have to work hard to get ahead.

Nobody here is getting a “free ride”. Kids are all working hard. Now, hard working kids from more MSs have access to TJ. It’s a good thing.

You deny it because you feel shame to accept the reality.

There is no shame that hard-working, well-qualified kids from more MSs now have access to TJ.

Source/ any data to support your comment?
Why do you need quota then?
Why not compete fairly with others?

All kids met GPA/course criteria. These kids have higher GPAs, on average, than before the change.

Then why there are quotas in the system?
You still don't want to admit the reality.

There aren’t race-based quotas. There are seats open to all MSs - if and only if they have qualified applicants.

Come on. Each locality has a certain demographic composition. FCPS just masks their race-based intent.
You can't be that naive, right?

The biggest change was better representation of kids from low-income families. Prior to the change, kids from economically-disadvantaged families were <1% of the class.

Also, the # of women admitted (for class of 2025) increased more than any other group.

FCPS can do that in a fair, moral, and more productive way.
For examples:
- Additional programs to help URM students (free tutoring, music lessons, extracurricular classes)
- Build more STEM schools
- Encourage URM kids to STEM activities starting from Pre-K

Taking seats away from applicants with higher credentials is wrong.

Nobody is entitled to a seat at TJ. There are way more qualified applicants than there are seats.

Stop lying.
The sole purpose of adjusting the admission is to achieve diversity.
You even feel shame to admit the fact.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Race is not considered during the admissions process.

And Asians have the highest rate and number of admissions. So...

No discrimination.

Don't lie. The main reason to keep changing the admission process is to engineer the racial demographic

Nope. It was to provide opportunities to kids from ALL middle schools.

You cannot get free rides all the time. At some point in your life you have to work hard to get ahead.

Nobody here is getting a “free ride”. Kids are all working hard. Now, hard working kids from more MSs have access to TJ. It’s a good thing.

You deny it because you feel shame to accept the reality.

There is no shame that hard-working, well-qualified kids from more MSs now have access to TJ.

Source/ any data to support your comment?
Why do you need quota then?
Why not compete fairly with others?

All kids met GPA/course criteria. These kids have higher GPAs, on average, than before the change.

Then why there are quotas in the system?
You still don't want to admit the reality.

There aren’t race-based quotas. There are seats open to all MSs - if and only if they have qualified applicants.

Come on. Each locality has a certain demographic composition. FCPS just masks their race-based intent.
You can't be that naive, right?

The biggest change was better representation of kids from low-income families. Prior to the change, kids from economically-disadvantaged families were <1% of the class.

Also, the # of women admitted (for class of 2025) increased more than any other group.

FCPS can do that in a fair, moral, and more productive way.
For examples:
- Additional programs to help URM students (free tutoring, music lessons, extracurricular classes)
- Build more STEM schools
- Encourage URM kids to STEM activities starting from Pre-K

Taking seats away from applicants with higher credentials is wrong.

Nobody is entitled to a seat at TJ. There are way more qualified applicants than there are seats.

Stop lying.
The sole purpose of adjusting the admission is to achieve diversity.
You even feel shame to admit the fact.

There is no shame that hard-working, well-qualified kids from more MSs now have access to TJ.